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[atlkvb]

If a command and control government only wants organic strawberries sold, or electric cars, then they control the consumers decisions in regard to purchases. In a capitalist system, organic might be better for you, but consumers will often opt for the cheapest. If electric vehicles are more of a hassle than gas powered cars, consumers will less likely buy electric even if it’s better for the environment. Command and control could force consumers to purchase different options by controlling production, or price points on products.

I asked you to show me where it's ever worked? Obviously you're struggling with that, so you can just stop right now digging in the hole you've dug for yourself. You can't get out of it with a factual answer that proves the point you simply cannot admit.

Socialism and it's "command and control" economies DO NOT WORK.

Stop digging boom, you're going further down every time you post.

 

[atlkvb]

Command and control could force consumers to purchase different options by controlling production, or price points on products.

Hey boomer (@Boomboom521 ) when you last went shopping at your local grocer what products were you "forced" to purchase as a consumer?

(I still can't get over what you posted in this thread)

 

[Boomboom521]

I asked you to show me where it's ever worked? Obviously you're struggling with that, so you can just stop right now digging in the hole you've dug for yourself. You can't get out of it with a factual answer that proves the point you simply cannot admit.

Socialism and it's "command and control" economies DO NOT WORK.

Stop digging boom, you're going further down every time you post.

Can you tell the board the best aspect of a Socialist command and control economy you've studied and why it's a good idea that doesn't work?

Really? That’s what you asked? Nowhere man? See what you want to see?

Fvck man. You’re a fvcking dolt

 

[Boomboom521]

Hey boomer (@Boomboom521 ) when you last went shopping at your local grocer what products were you "forced" to purchase as a consumer?

(I still can't over what you posted in this thread)

You asked why it’s a good idea that doesn’t work, I assumed you wanted my opinion on the advantages of a command and control government, no?

You realize you’re not even coherent, right?

 

[atlkvb]

You asked why it’s a good idea that doesn’t work, I assumed you wanted my opinion on the advantages of a command and control government, no?

You realize you’re not even coherent, right?

YOU stated you have studied what you believe and are consistent in what you believe, as well as open to discussion about it.

I have a very definitive point of view on most subjects I research. I have, in exhausting detail, tried to articulate those views to you when being slimed by your judgement and ugly disdain

So I asked you to point out to me what part of a Socialist "command and control" economy works best, and why if it's such a good idea does it never work?

Can you tell the board the best aspect of a Socialist command and control economy you've studied and why it's a good idea that doesn't work?

This is what flat out amazes me about you boom. YOU do exactly what you accuse others of doing, then set yourself up as the "victim" or aggrieved party! So here are a few samples of your "open discussion" and proof you've studied what you know about Socialist command and control economies which have NEVER worked!

Unreal...

I’ve given you wayyy more respect and time than I should have

Very considerate of you boom

I only know Dave’s touchy, quippy, 16 yr old girl posts.

very understanding boom...open too!

I only know your sad attempts at building self confidence in your unbelievable volume of texts

very open and accepting post boom. Nice job!

there you go again. The fvck are you even talking about? Like a little yappy Bitch.

so much compassion, so much tolerance

I know right where I am, and proud to be

After explaining how consumers are "forced" to make demands in a command and control economy. "Forced", no choice. That's why it works don't 'ya know?

command and control can be beneficial for the ability of a nation to undergo large projects and force consumer practices that benefit the nation.

Yup, this sure explains it boom...why Socialism usually works out well

the lack of demand steering business decisions leads to a lack in supply meeting demand. Leading to over-production / waste and a rise in illegal supply / lack of revenue to state.

See how well that "command and control" works? You studied it...you know!

I am still unnerved by the Trump campaign’s actions with regards to the Ukraine and Russia,

This is boom totally OK with "no collusion" "no obstruction". He's NOT buying Mueller's investigation...not yet anyway.

Obstruction doesn’t depend on a crime, only a criminal investigation,

Yes, you can obstruct even if there is no crime to obstruct investigation of. Just be a general prick to the investigators and call 'em names. HUGE obstruction don't 'ya know?

This post makes your twitchy brain clear. You’ve fvcking lost it.

No passing along judgement here, just open honest understanding acceptance.

Are you that nutjob fvcking crazy that you can’t even remember what you asked me to explain?

Oh I remember what I asked, but I can't believe your answers. This was an example of good open discussion though.

You realize you’re not even coherent, right?

You posted that after saying all of this?

No where Man-The Beatles

Isn't he a bit like you and me?

 

[atlkvb]

You asked why it’s a good idea that doesn’t work, I assumed you wanted my opinion on the advantages of a command and control government, no?

You realize you’re not even coherent, right?

I clearly stated it never works! Ever. I wanted you to admit that too, however if I was wrong about that, I asked you show me some of your best examples of it (what were good ideas) that actually "worked"?

You couldn't. But I was confused over what I was trying to get YOU to see?

Got it.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Really? Ever been to any inner city in the US to look at stupidity?

Not much difference between rural and inner city stupid

 

[atlkvb]

Not much difference between rural and inner city stupid

Hey OM1...why did you avoid my "serious answer" to your "serious question" to me the other day? Was my answer "too ignorant" for you to understand?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Hey OM1...why did you avoid my "serious answer" to your "serious question" to me the other day? Was my answer "too ignorant" for you to understand?

Hey OM1...why did you avoid my "serious answer" to your "serious question" to me the other day? Was my answer "too ignorant" for you to understand?

I didn't read it to be honest.

 

[atlkvb]

I didn't read it to be honest.

OK then...well here 'ya go....

https://westvirginia.forums.rivals.com/threads/serious-question-for-atl.202981/#post-2463135

 

[Airport]

Not much difference between rural and inner city stupid

Nope, just when one group says the others group is dumber, hard to take seriously

 

[atlkvb]

Nope, just when one group says the others group is dumber, hard to take seriously

"dumb" means not agreeing with Leftists. Ironically being one doesn't qualify with them but should.

 

[colemag]

Nope, just when one group says the others group is dumber, hard to take seriously

One group, as I have explained, votes more than the other. That's the importance.

Your side - the deplorables, the poorly educated, the rednecks and hillbillies - go to the polls more often than the poorly educated of other candidates.

 

[Airport]

One group, as I have explained, votes more than the other. That's the importance.

Your side - the deplorables, the poorly educated, the rednecks and hillbillies - go to the polls more often than the poorly educated of other candidates.

You are full of shit. One precinct in Cleveland had 0 votes for the person opposit e obama. That is statistically impossible without cheating.

 

[atlkvb]

One group, as I have explained, votes more than the other. That's the importance.

Your side - the deplorables, the poorly educated, the rednecks and hillbillies - go to the polls more often than the poorly educated of other candidates.

Lots of voters in swing states cast ballots for Trump last election cycle. Many of them traditionally voted Democrat, but didn't like Hillary's message as much as Trump's. They're "rednecks" & "Hillbillies". Are they also among your "deplorables"? If you Leftists don't want to those voters back, just keep calling them "deplorable" and we on the Right will make sure they are both welcomed and invited to stay on the winning side.

You all can keep mining votes of illegals.

 

[colemag]

OK...we're stupid...you're obviously NOT stupid correct?

Yes, you are. Your horrendous grammar proves that, as does your inability to stay within a discussion (which we have already gone over). Above, you should have a space starting, ending, and between each "dot" in an ellipsis. Further, you should have a comma before "correct," stupid.

Why are you Leftists upset that Americans have to pay higher taxes for goods we import from Socialist China,

Even somebody with meager intelligence like you should be able to answer that. Nobody wants to pay more than they have to. So of course "leftists" (or anyone with any level of intelligence) wouldn't be pleased with it. Further, these "higher taxes for goods we import" are the result of Trump's actions: actions that have all losers and no winners. You deplorables have touted free trade, no government intrusion/artificial economic interruption, yet you suddenly are in support of doing exactly that.

But maybe this means Americans will buy more from American manufacturers since they may be cheaper than the same goods from China, right? Good thing, right? No. This artificial government intrusion allows American manufacturers not to worry about competition. It allows them not to invest in finding more efficient ways of production. It's basic economics. If @dave is the only person willing to take out my garbage, I am going to have to pay him a high price to do that unless I want to do it myself. If there are a million people willing to take out my garbage, suddenly @dave is not nearly as valuable. A million people are competing to take out my garbage. They are going to find the most efficient way and provide the best service in order to gain my business. Trump is greatly reducing competition which American manufacturers - at least those that don't rely on Chinese parts (which is yet another horrible part of these tariffs) - can only celebrate.

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about what Trump is doing regarding this. Of course, "Leftists" care about the country, so seeing the market drop today is just another reason to be against the tariffs.

but you all are NOT upset with higher taxes we have to pay here in America for your misguided Socialist income redistribution schemes

You'll have to be more specific about what exact "redistribution schemes" you are referring to. I have no problem with a graduated income tax system.

I don't want to pay higher taxes, but I also understand that the more I make (referring to increasing to higher tax brackets) results in a bigger burden for helping those less fortunate. And knowing that my success is due to living in this country, I have no problem with it. It's an ethics thing for me.

Paying more in income tax in order to help continue the success of this country is entirely different than paying more for Chinese goods, which at the same time, will end up allowing American manufacturers to greatly reduce their efficiency/products by providing them with less competition.

Trying to make that analogy is about as stupid as you presenting the question in a thread that had nothing to do with it.

 

[atlkvb]

Yes, you are. Your horrendous grammar proves that, as does your inability to stay within a discussion (which we have already gone over). Above, you should have a space starting, ending, and between each "dot" in an ellipsis. Further, you should have a comma before "correct," stupid.



Even somebody with meager intelligence like you should be able to answer that. Nobody wants to pay more than they have to. So of course "leftists" (or anyone with any level of intelligence) wouldn't be pleased with it. Further, these "higher taxes for goods we import" are the result of Trump's actions: actions that have all losers and no winners. You deplorables have touted free trade, no government intrusion/artificial economic interruption, yet you suddenly are in support of doing exactly that.

But maybe this means Americans will buy more from American manufacturers since they may be cheaper than the same goods from China, right? Good thing, right? No. This artificial government intrusion allows American manufacturers not to worry about competition. It allows them not to invest in finding more efficient ways of production. It's basic economics. If @dave is the only person willing to take out my garbage, I am going to have to pay him a high price to do that unless I want to do it myself. If there are a million people willing to take out my garbage, suddenly @dave is not nearly as valuable. A million people are competing to take out my garbage. They are going to find the most efficient way and provide the best service in order to gain my business. Trump is greatly reducing competition which American manufacturers - at least those that don't rely on Chinese parts (which is yet another horrible part of these tariffs) - can only celebrate.

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about what Trump is doing regarding this. Of course, "Leftists" care about the country, so seeing the market drop today is just another reason to be against the tariffs.



You'll have to be more specific about what exact "redistribution schemes" you are referring to. I have no problem with a graduated income tax system.

I don't want to pay higher taxes, but I also understand that the more I make (referring to increasing to higher tax brackets) results in a bigger burden for helping those less fortunate. And knowing that my success is due to living in this country, I have no problem with it. It's an ethics thing for me.

Paying more in income tax in order to help continue the success of this country is entirely different than paying more for Chinese goods, which at the same time, will end up allowing American manufacturers to greatly reduce their efficiency/products by providing them with less competition.

Trying to make that analogy is about as stupid as you presenting the question in a thread that had nothing to do with it.

This is very good....at least you answered the questions...I'm impressed. You're of course wrong, but you did at least answer which is more than most Leftists do. So let's keep this going OK?

On taxes, you stated and here's the quote:

"I also understand that the more I make (referring to increasing to higher tax brackets) results in a bigger burden for helping those less fortunate".

I want to focus on the second half of the first sentence "I also understand the more I make results in a bigger burden for helping those less fortunate"

So you agree the more you earn, the higher your income tax rate should be correct? I believe the current top rate is 36.9%? Can you tell me then how much extra above that amount you paid? YOU said "I also understand the more I make results in a bigger burden for helping those less fortunate", so how much extra above that top rate did you send in on your own?

If the tax rate were set at a flat rate of let's say 18.5%. And let's say I earn 150,000 and you earned a higher amount, let's say 250,000...which one of us would end up paying more in taxes? Why should your burden be higher at a higher rate even if you earned 100 K more than me?

Again this is what YOU said "I don't want to pay higher taxes, but I also understand that the more I make (referring to increasing to higher tax brackets) results in a bigger burden for helping those less fortunate". So please explain the rationale for higher marginal rates simply because you are "fortunate" enough to earn more money? Then please tell me how much "extra" you sent in as a result of your higher wages to back up what you claim to support?

Got it?

Let's hear your well reasoned answer.

 

[atlkvb]

Further, these "higher taxes for goods we import" are the result of Trump's actions:

Oh really? So before Trump took office the Chinese were giving us a bargain on tariffs we were paying them? You called someone else stupid?

You deplorables have touted free trade, no government intrusion/artificial economic interruption, yet you suddenly are in support of doing exactly that.

So Leftists are in favor of no government controls or mandates on private enterprise? What's the ACA then? Didn't you call someone else stupid?

This artificial government intrusion allows American manufacturers not to worry about competition

So you don't want any artificial government "intrusions" into the free enterprise Capitalist system? Why did ALL the Democrat Congressional congregation vote against the cuts in corporate tax rates from 35 down to 21% to make them more competitive globally? Was that your version of less artificial government "intrusion" into free enterprise?

It allows them not to invest in finding more efficient ways of production

I think American companies are operating as efficiently as they profitably can, but no matter how efficient they are, once the Chinese decide to soak them to sell their finished goods over there, all of their "efficiency" is erased by higher costs to sell profitably over there. Why weren't you complaining about that hit on their productivity before Trump took office? Now that Trump is trying to get them more favorable tax treatment by the Chinese, why are you against it? Didn't you call someone stupid? Have you forgotten your own name?

 

[atlkvb]

Yes, you are. Your horrendous grammar proves that, as does your inability to stay within a discussion (which we have already gone over). Above, you should have a space starting, ending, and between each "dot" in an ellipsis. Further, you should have a comma before "correct," stupid.



Even somebody with meager intelligence like you should be able to answer that. Nobody wants to pay more than they have to. So of course "leftists" (or anyone with any level of intelligence) wouldn't be pleased with it. Further, these "higher taxes for goods we import" are the result of Trump's actions: actions that have all losers and no winners. You deplorables have touted free trade, no government intrusion/artificial economic interruption, yet you suddenly are in support of doing exactly that.

But maybe this means Americans will buy more from American manufacturers since they may be cheaper than the same goods from China, right? Good thing, right? No. This artificial government intrusion allows American manufacturers not to worry about competition. It allows them not to invest in finding more efficient ways of production. It's basic economics. If @dave is the only person willing to take out my garbage, I am going to have to pay him a high price to do that unless I want to do it myself. If there are a million people willing to take out my garbage, suddenly @dave is not nearly as valuable. A million people are competing to take out my garbage. They are going to find the most efficient way and provide the best service in order to gain my business. Trump is greatly reducing competition which American manufacturers - at least those that don't rely on Chinese parts (which is yet another horrible part of these tariffs) - can only celebrate.

There are plenty of reasons to be upset about what Trump is doing regarding this. Of course, "Leftists" care about the country, so seeing the market drop today is just another reason to be against the tariffs.



You'll have to be more specific about what exact "redistribution schemes" you are referring to. I have no problem with a graduated income tax system.

I don't want to pay higher taxes, but I also understand that the more I make (referring to increasing to higher tax brackets) results in a bigger burden for helping those less fortunate. And knowing that my success is due to living in this country, I have no problem with it. It's an ethics thing for me.

Paying more in income tax in order to help continue the success of this country is entirely different than paying more for Chinese goods, which at the same time, will end up allowing American manufacturers to greatly reduce their efficiency/products by providing them with less competition.

Trying to make that analogy is about as stupid as you presenting the question in a thread that had nothing to do with it.

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OK...we're stupid...you're obviously NOT stupid correct?

Yes, you are. Your horrendous grammar proves that,

So you attacked my grammar yet answered a rhetorical question started in the 3rd person, with a first person response? Didn't you say someone was stupid? Do you not see your own reflection when you look into a mirror?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

"dumb" means not agreeing with Leftists. Ironically being one doesn't qualify with them but should.

Another 5 star post .......

 

[Boomboom521]

I clearly stated it never works! Ever. I wanted you to admit that too, however if I was wrong about that, I asked you show me some of your best examples of it (what were good ideas) that actually "worked"?

You couldn't. But I was confused over what I was trying to get YOU to see?

Got it.

Yeah, maybe your twitchy brain got in the way of asking that question, I don’t know.

 

[atlkvb]

Yeah, maybe your twitchy brain got in the way of asking that question, I don’t know.

Maybe your "no where man" relativism got in the way of an answer?
"doesn't have a point of view, knows not where he's going to"

 

[atlkvb]

Another 5 star post .......

You called me "ignorant" for refusing to accept answers to questions I asked. I asked you questions you could easily answer to prove my "ignorance". Instead of making your point, you insist I asked you things you're not "interested" in, or you just flat out didn't answer me.

Guess you made your case? Brilliant!

 

[Boomboom521]

Maybe your "no where man" relativism got in the way of an answer?
"doesn't have a point of view, knows not where he's going to"

Your trolling Bullsh1t is no where near as frustrating as your dishonesty. Maybe you realize your failure to ask a specific question, then lie about it, or maybe you lie about the question you asked, because you didn’t like the way the answer went.

The above example of our exchange in this thread is a common occurrence with you. For someone that tries weak attempts at trolling others with accusations of a lack of conviction and being frauds, it’s funny that you consistently show yourself to be one of the most dishonest and deceitful posters on the OT.

 

[atlkvb]

Maybe you realize your failure to ask a specific question

I clearly stated it never works! Ever. I wanted you to admit that too, however if I was wrong about that, I asked you show me some of your best examples of it (what were good ideas) that actually "worked"?

You couldn't. But I was confused over what I was trying to get YOU to see?

Got it.

you consistently show yourself to be one of the most dishonest and deceitful posters on the OT.

(yeah, but you never answered the question did 'ya?)


He's as blind as he can be, just sees what he wants to see, Nowhere man can you see me at all?-Nowhere Man, The Beatles

 

[atlkvb]

hey boomer @Boomboom521 name the Socialist experiments in history run successfully?

Just fill in the blanks below: OK "No where man?"

"Nowhere man don't worry
Take your time, don't hurry
Leave it all till somebody else
Lends you a hand
Ah, la, la, la, la"........


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"doesn't have a point of view, knows not where he's going to"

Nowhere Man--The Beatles!

 

[Keyser76]

lmfao, proposed farmers bailout, it ain't socialism it's just good old buying votes!

 

[atlkvb]

lmfao, proposed farmers bailout, it ain't socialism it's just good old buying votes!

Hey Keyser, was Obama's record food stamp allotments "buying votes"? Were those food stamp recipients some of Hillary's popular vote winning supporters? You do realize she won the popular vote don't you Keyser?