Is Neal Brown same type of coach vs Ranked Teams

[WVUALLEN]

As other WVU coaches.

Neal Brown 3-15
Holgorsen 10-21
Stewart 2-2
Rodriguez 12-14
Nehlen 14-38-2

Last 5 coaches 41-88-2 (rounded off avg 4-17)

Neal Brown though has never started ranked, been ranked or finished ranked in a season as the other 4 coaches have.

 

[Vernon]

As other WVU coaches.

Neal Brown 3-15
Holgorsen 10-21
Stewart 2-2
Rodriguez 12-14
Nehlen 14-38-2

Last 5 coaches 41-88-2 (rounded off avg 4-17)

Neal Brown though has never started ranked, been ranked or finished ranked in a season as the other 4 coaches have.

Stats are worthless without context. Were they ranked at the time of the game or at the end of the season? Were they ranked top five or just sliding in the top 25? When the percentages are close all of the details matter.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Stats are worthless without context. Were they ranked at the time of the game or at the end of the season? Were they ranked top five or just sliding in the top 25? When the percentages are close all of the details matter.

That sounds too much like coaching analytics. To me it's a win verses a ranked team if you beat them while they are ranked it's a win against ranked opponent. If you want to go into the context of wins losses against teams finished ranked or not then there is probably even less wins against ranked teams in WVU history.

 

[Vernon]

That sounds too much like coaching analytics. To me it's a win verses a ranked team if you beat them while they are ranked it's a win against ranked opponent. If you want to go into the context of wins losses against teams finished ranked or not then there is probably even less wins against ranked teams in WVU history.

I don't care if the stats look good or bad, that wasn't the point. But you don't want to compare two coaches when one was playing top 10 teams at the end of the season and the other played some Indianas who were ranked 24th in the third week of the season after beating three cupcakes. You were the one that wanted to make a point about where Neal is so I think it's fair to look at all of that. Otherwise, I'm not sure it says anything good or bad for him in comparison to the others.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I don't care if the stats look good or bad, that wasn't the point. But you don't want to compare two coaches when one was playing top 10 teams at the end of the season and the other played some Indianas who were ranked 24th in the third week of the season after beating three cupcakes. You were the one that wanted to make a point about where Neal is so I think it's fair to look at all of that. Otherwise, I'm not sure it says anything good or bad for him in comparison to the others.

Comparisons are bad I get it. It's also not fare to compare one coaches overall record versus any team compared to another coaches W/L performance through the years. It's also not fair to claim one season was against tougher opponents than another season as you can't just look at final wins and losses for that determination.

Perhaps a better comment / title would have been this is Neal W/L record against ranked opponents at the time WVU played them and here are some other WVU coaches from the past W/L record vs ranked opponents at time the game was played. I guess I need to be ultra specific in comments.

 

[Vernon]

Comparisons are bad I get it. It's also not fare to compare one coaches overall record versus any team compared to another coaches W/L performance through the years. It's also not fair to claim one season was against tougher opponents than another season as you can't just look at final wins and losses for that determination.

Perhaps a better comment / title would have been this is Neal W/L record against ranked opponents at the time WVU played them and here are some other WVU coaches from the past W/L record vs ranked opponents at time the game was played. I guess I need to be ultra specific in comments.

I'm not picking on you, I just don't like comparisons. It's so difficult without factoring in a boatload of info.

 

[WVUALLEN]

I'm not picking on you, I just don't like comparisons. It's so difficult without factoring in a boatload of info.

I didn't think you were. I understand the comparison issues. You can basically make any comparison seem equal, better or poorer without factoring in all info. Even with all the info it's not going to be 100% accurate. Just closer to being true.

 

[WESTBGVA]

what was Bobby Bowden?... 0-6 vs Penn St...he became really smart once he got top shelf talent at FSU

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

As other WVU coaches.

Neal Brown 3-15
Holgorsen 10-21
Stewart 2-2
Rodriguez 12-14
Nehlen 14-38-2

Last 5 coaches 41-88-2 (rounded off avg 4-17)

Neal Brown though has never started ranked, been ranked or finished ranked in a season as the other 4 coaches have.

I'm not picking on you, I just don't like comparisons. It's so difficult without factoring in a boatload of info.

Comparisons are inevitable and necessary. Before hiring a new coach, we expect the AD to compare various coaches in some way to determine whom to interview and ultimately whom to hire. No reason a coach cannot be compared to current contemporaries or previous coaches even if the comparisons cannot be perfect. I also believe that rankings at the end of the season matter way more than at the time of the game. It is far less likely a team finishes unranked due to something like injury versus the team just being overrated.

Records vs ranked:
-Nehlen 12-48-2 (.200)
-Rodriguez 7-16 (.438)
-Stewart 2-4 (.333)
-Holgorsen 5-22 (.227)
-Brown 0-14 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs ranked:
-Nehlen 17-31 (.354)
-Rodriguez 4-12 (.250)
-Stewart 3-1 (.750)
-Holgorsen 10-12 (.455)
-Brown 5-11 (.357)

Records vs top 10:
-Nehlen 1-25 (.038)
-Rodriguez 2-8 (.250)
-Stewart 0-2 (.000)
-Holgorsen 2-10 (.200)
-Brown 0-6 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs top 10:
-Nehlen 6-19 (.240)
-Rodriguez 3-5 (.375)
-Stewart 2-0 (1.000)
-Holgorsen 5-5 (.500)
-Brown 2-4 (.333)

Ranked Finishes:
-Nehlen 6-14 (.300)
-Rodriguez 4-3 (.571)
-Stewart 2-1 (.667)
-Holgorsen 2-6 (.250)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

Top 10 Finishes:
-Nehlen 2-18 (.100)
-Rodriguez 2-5 (.286)
-Stewart 0-3 (.000)
-Holgorsen 0-8 (.000)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

**Caveats: All data is based upon END OF SEASON rankings. AP rankings were used for reference. Rankings were only top 20 until 1988 before rankings expanding to 25 from 1989 until present.

 

[Vernon]

Comparisons are inevitable and necessary. Before hiring a new coach, we expect the AD to compare various coaches in some way to determine whom to interview and ultimately whom to hire. No reason a coach cannot be compared to current contemporaries or previous coaches even if the comparisons cannot be perfect. I also believe that rankings at the end of the season matter way more than at the time of the game. It is far less likely a team finishes unranked due to something like injury versus the team just being overrated.

Records vs ranked:
-Nehlen 12-48-2 (.200)
-Rodriguez 7-16 (.438)
-Stewart 2-4 (.333)
-Holgorsen 5-22 (.227)
-Brown 0-14 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs ranked:
-Nehlen 17-31 (.354)
-Rodriguez 4-12 (.250)
-Stewart 3-1 (.750)
-Holgorsen 10-12 (.455)
-Brown 5-11 (.357)

Records vs top 10:
-Nehlen 1-25 (.038)
-Rodriguez 2-8 (.250)
-Stewart 0-2 (.000)
-Holgorsen 2-10 (.200)
-Brown 0-6 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs top 10:
-Nehlen 6-19 (.240)
-Rodriguez 3-5 (.375)
-Stewart 2-0 (1.000)
-Holgorsen 5-5 (.500)
-Brown 2-4 (.333)

Ranked Finishes:
-Nehlen 6-14 (.300)
-Rodriguez 4-3 (.571)
-Stewart 2-1 (.667)
-Holgorsen 2-6 (.250)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

Top 10 Finishes:
-Nehlen 2-18 (.100)
-Rodriguez 2-5 (.286)
-Stewart 0-3 (.000)
-Holgorsen 0-8 (.000)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

**Caveats: All data is based upon END OF SEASON rankings. AP rankings were used for reference. Rankings were only top 20 until 1988 before rankings expanding to 25 from 1989 until present.

The difference is they (ADs/schools) actually get all of the details I was referring to. I make comparisons all day long in my job but we try to have all of the numbers to properly do so.

BTW, my comments had nothing to do with Brown in terms of defending him. His numbers are awful. I was thinking more overall about how they all compare.

 

[Vernon]

Comparisons are inevitable and necessary. Before hiring a new coach, we expect the AD to compare various coaches in some way to determine whom to interview and ultimately whom to hire. No reason a coach cannot be compared to current contemporaries or previous coaches even if the comparisons cannot be perfect. I also believe that rankings at the end of the season matter way more than at the time of the game. It is far less likely a team finishes unranked due to something like injury versus the team just being overrated.

Records vs ranked:
-Nehlen 12-48-2 (.200)
-Rodriguez 7-16 (.438)
-Stewart 2-4 (.333)
-Holgorsen 5-22 (.227)
-Brown 0-14 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs ranked:
-Nehlen 17-31 (.354)
-Rodriguez 4-12 (.250)
-Stewart 3-1 (.750)
-Holgorsen 10-12 (.455)
-Brown 5-11 (.357)

Records vs top 10:
-Nehlen 1-25 (.038)
-Rodriguez 2-8 (.250)
-Stewart 0-2 (.000)
-Holgorsen 2-10 (.200)
-Brown 0-6 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs top 10:
-Nehlen 6-19 (.240)
-Rodriguez 3-5 (.375)
-Stewart 2-0 (1.000)
-Holgorsen 5-5 (.500)
-Brown 2-4 (.333)

Ranked Finishes:
-Nehlen 6-14 (.300)
-Rodriguez 4-3 (.571)
-Stewart 2-1 (.667)
-Holgorsen 2-6 (.250)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

Top 10 Finishes:
-Nehlen 2-18 (.100)
-Rodriguez 2-5 (.286)
-Stewart 0-3 (.000)
-Holgorsen 0-8 (.000)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

**Caveats: All data is based upon END OF SEASON rankings. AP rankings were used for reference. Rankings were only top 20 until 1988 before rankings expanding to 25 from 1989 until present.

BTW, I meant to say thanks. We're talking about it now on the Blue Lot as well. Some interesting data. Some care more about the rankings at the time of the game but I prefer post-season rankings.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

BTW, I meant to say thanks. We're talking about it now on the Blue Lot as well. Some interesting data. Some care more about the rankings at the time of the game but I prefer post-season rankings.

Rankings at the time of the game are next to useless in comparison to end of year rankings. TCU last year was 17 to start the season and finished 5-7 due to being vastly overrated. The majority of teams ranked pre and mid season that finish unranked are similarly overrated teams.

 

[Vernon]

Rankings at the time of the game are next to useless in comparison to end of year rankings. TCU last year was 17 to start the season and finished 5-7 due to being vastly overrated. The majority of teams ranked pre and mid season that finish unranked are similarly overrated teams.

That's how I feel but others feel that a team could be a top 25 team when you play them but later fall from that ranking based on problems like injuries. Also losing to you does contribute to their fall. I get what they're saying but the end of the season ranking makes the most sense.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

That's how I feel but others feel that a team could be a top 25 team when you play them but later fall from that ranking based on problems like injuries. Also losing to you does contribute to their fall. I get what they're saying but the end of the season ranking makes the most sense.

Neither is perfect, but end of season is clearly the better indicator.

 

[EERs 3:16]

As other WVU coaches.

Neal Brown 3-15
Holgorsen 10-21
Stewart 2-2
Rodriguez 12-14
Nehlen 14-38-2

Last 5 coaches 41-88-2 (rounded off avg 4-17)

Neal Brown though has never started ranked, been ranked or finished ranked in a season as the other 4 coaches have.

When did bulk of those loses occur? at the start of their tenure, towards, the end, or evenly spread out?

And fairness to Rich Rod, by the time he left, the BE was a much stronger conference than when he took the reigns and towards the end of his tenure, we was beating those ranked teams.......sadly, he couldn't beat an unranked sPitt team

 

[WVUALLEN]

When did bulk of those loses occur? at the start of their tenure, towards, the end, or evenly spread out?

And fairness to Rich Rod, by the time he left, the BE was a much stronger conference than when he took the reigns and towards the end of his tenure, we was beating those ranked teams.......sadly, he couldn't beat an unranked sPitt team

Big East was stronger from 1991-2001.

 

[WVU-SE]

BTW, I meant to say thanks. We're talking about it now on the Blue Lot as well. Some interesting data. Some care more about the rankings at the time of the game but I prefer post-season rankings.

100% agree. Perfect recent example is Boston College just got a top 10 win. We all know FSU isn't near the top 10, and will likely finish outside of the top 25...

 

[WVU-SE]

Comparisons are inevitable and necessary. Before hiring a new coach, we expect the AD to compare various coaches in some way to determine whom to interview and ultimately whom to hire. No reason a coach cannot be compared to current contemporaries or previous coaches even if the comparisons cannot be perfect. I also believe that rankings at the end of the season matter way more than at the time of the game. It is far less likely a team finishes unranked due to something like injury versus the team just being overrated.

Records vs ranked:
-Nehlen 12-48-2 (.200)
-Rodriguez 7-16 (.438)
-Stewart 2-4 (.333)
-Holgorsen 5-22 (.227)
-Brown 0-14 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs ranked:
-Nehlen 17-31 (.354)
-Rodriguez 4-12 (.250)
-Stewart 3-1 (.750)
-Holgorsen 10-12 (.455)
-Brown 5-11 (.357)

Records vs top 10:
-Nehlen 1-25 (.038)
-Rodriguez 2-8 (.250)
-Stewart 0-2 (.000)
-Holgorsen 2-10 (.200)
-Brown 0-6 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs top 10:
-Nehlen 6-19 (.240)
-Rodriguez 3-5 (.375)
-Stewart 2-0 (1.000)
-Holgorsen 5-5 (.500)
-Brown 2-4 (.333)

Ranked Finishes:
-Nehlen 6-14 (.300)
-Rodriguez 4-3 (.571)
-Stewart 2-1 (.667)
-Holgorsen 2-6 (.250)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

Top 10 Finishes:
-Nehlen 2-18 (.100)
-Rodriguez 2-5 (.286)
-Stewart 0-3 (.000)
-Holgorsen 0-8 (.000)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

**Caveats: All data is based upon END OF SEASON rankings. AP rankings were used for reference. Rankings were only top 20 until 1988 before rankings expanding to 25 from 1989 until present.

This is pretty telling about the current and in reality overall state of our program... Crazy! Nobody was good vs the top 25 and in reality, the RR era truly was the glory days of WV football.

Agree with V about data and comparisons, however this is no doubt an interesting look...

 

[WVUBRU]

Bill O'Brien is a darn good coach imo. Norvell is ok. But FSU is not as good as the hype and now everyone knows it. But I don't compare that result in any manner to WVU or Brown.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

This is pretty telling about the current and in reality overall state of our program... Crazy! Nobody was good vs the top 25 and in reality, the RR era truly was the glory days of WV football.

Agree with V about data and comparisons, however this is no doubt an interesting look...

I am not surprised that Brown has no ranked finishes nor any victories against teams finishing the season ranked. I was surprised Brown was on Nehlen's level in terms of keeping the final score close against ranked teams and that RR either beat ranked teams or got beaten handily by them with little in between. I was also surprised at Holgorsen being competitive in half his losses to ranked teams regardless of top 25 or top 10. The biggest take away is that only Nehlen and RR put it all together to create the big season with the top 10 finish. Stewart had a small sample size, but appeared to be similar to Holgorsen in that while he was competitive against ranked teams and had some wins against ranked teams, neither could put it all together in a single season to win the conference and finish top 10.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I am not surprised that Brown has no ranked finishes nor any victories against teams finishing the season ranked. I was surprised Brown was on Nehlen's level in terms of keeping the final score close against ranked teams and that RR either beat ranked teams or got beaten handily by them with little in between. I was also surprised at Holgorsen being competitive in half his losses to ranked teams regardless of top 25 or top 10. The biggest take away is that only Nehlen and RR put it all together to create the big season with the top 10 finish. Stewart had a small sample size, but appeared to be similar to Holgorsen in that while he was competitive against ranked teams and had some wins against ranked teams, neither could put it all together in a single season to win the conference and finish top 10.

Yes the sampling The Bell Tolls For Thee provided is exactly what I wanted to see. While there were the surprises you noted, the biggest take away was Brown’s 0-14 against ranked opponents. That has to change.

 

[deedoubleyou]

Yes the sampling The Bell Tolls For Thee provided is exactly what I wanted to see. While there were the surprises you noted, the biggest take away was Brown’s 0-14 against ranked opponents. That has to change.

As soon as we find a better football coach and hire him, it will change. Neal has been here over half a decade now. His results speak for themselves. It's not getting any better. He is sinking the program.

 

[WVUALLEN]

As soon as we find a better football coach and hire him, it will change. Neal has been here over half a decade now. His results speak for themselves. It's not getting any better. He is sinking the program.

what makes you think the next person will be better?

 

[WVUALLEN]

Yes the sampling The Bell Tolls For Thee provided is exactly what I wanted to see. While there were the surprises you noted, the biggest take away was Brown’s 0-14 against ranked opponents. That has to change.

Brown is 26-30 vs FBS opponents and 5-0 vs FCS.

Teams Brown beat at the time they were ranked
#24 Kansas State
#16 Kansas State
#15 Va. Tech
#22 ISU

Those same teams did not finished ranked W/L record
KSU 8-5 (5-4)
KDU 4-6 (4-5) This was covid year and the season Shane decided on giving him a 2nd year outrageous buyout and increase.
Va. Tech 6-7 (4-4)
ISU 7-6 (5-4)

The ranked teams Brown lost to at the time they were ranked that still finished ranked
#17 Oklahoma (finished 10-3 (7-2) ranked #15)
#7 PSU (finished 10-3 (7-2) #13)
#17 Pittsburgh (finished 9-4 (5-3) #22)
#7 TCU (finished 13-2 (9-0) #2)
#15 Kansas State (finished 10-4 (7-2) #14

Unranked Teams Brown lost to or beat at time played that finished season ranked
L Texas (finished 8-5 (6-3) #25)
L Baylor (finished 12-2 (7-2) #5)
L Oklahoma State (finished 10-4 (7-2) #16)

Ranked teams Brown was competitive against that were ranked at end of season
L #22 Pitt 38-31
L #16 Oklahoma State 48-34 (lead at halftime 17-13, lead end of 3rd Q 24-20, Tied at 27 in 4th Q 9:39, down 7 (41-34) 2:37 mark. Out scored in 4th Quarter 28-10 with a 21-7 in last 7 minutes)
L #2 TCU 41-31 - down 28-21 at the half and 28-24 after 3 quarters Score was 34-31 TCU at 4:12 in 4th Q
L #10 Oklahoma 16-13 (led 10-7 at the half and 13-10 after 3 lost 4th quarter 6-0 as OU had the ball 11 minutes of the 4th quarter
Fourth Quarter
(8:52) OKLA - Gabe Brkic 35 yard FG (Drive: 16 plays, 62 yards, 8:11; Tied 13-13)
(0:00) OKLA - Gabe Brkic 30 yard FG (Drive: 14 plays, 80 yards, 3:39; OU 16-13)
L #25 Texas 42-31 (down 21-14 at the half and 21-17 at end of 3. Lost 4th Q 21-14)
L #13 Baylor 17-14 down 7-0 at the half and tied 14-14 after 3 lost in 4th Q 3-0 missing a 51 yard FG for the tie.

Six years and it looks like the same problem of inability to finish games every season.

 

[deedoubleyou]

what makes you think the next person will be better?

If he's not you keep trying until you find one who is. Is it really that hard to understand lol? I get there's a good bit of small-minded people out there. Self-defeating. I know, I know, WV ain't good enough so we'll settle for less. Of course. At least he's a nice guy

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Comparisons are inevitable and necessary. Before hiring a new coach, we expect the AD to compare various coaches in some way to determine whom to interview and ultimately whom to hire. No reason a coach cannot be compared to current contemporaries or previous coaches even if the comparisons cannot be perfect. I also believe that rankings at the end of the season matter way more than at the time of the game. It is far less likely a team finishes unranked due to something like injury versus the team just being overrated.

Records vs ranked:
-Nehlen 12-48-2 (.200)
-Rodriguez 7-16 (.438)
-Stewart 2-4 (.333)
-Holgorsen 5-22 (.227)
-Brown 0-14 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs ranked:
-Nehlen 17-31 (.354)
-Rodriguez 4-12 (.250)
-Stewart 3-1 (.750)
-Holgorsen 10-12 (.455)
-Brown 5-11 (.357)

Records vs top 10:
-Nehlen 1-25 (.038)
-Rodriguez 2-8 (.250)
-Stewart 0-2 (.000)
-Holgorsen 2-10 (.200)
-Brown 0-6 (.000)

Losses by 10 or less vs top 10:
-Nehlen 6-19 (.240)
-Rodriguez 3-5 (.375)
-Stewart 2-0 (1.000)
-Holgorsen 5-5 (.500)
-Brown 2-4 (.333)

Ranked Finishes:
-Nehlen 6-14 (.300)
-Rodriguez 4-3 (.571)
-Stewart 2-1 (.667)
-Holgorsen 2-6 (.250)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

Top 10 Finishes:
-Nehlen 2-18 (.100)
-Rodriguez 2-5 (.286)
-Stewart 0-3 (.000)
-Holgorsen 0-8 (.000)
-Brown 0-5 (.000)

**Caveats: All data is based upon END OF SEASON rankings. AP rankings were used for reference. Rankings were only top 20 until 1988 before rankings expanding to 25 from 1989 until present.

Additional info:

Records vs ranked:
-Bowden 2-6 (.250)
-Cignetti 0-11 (.000)

Losses by 10 or Less vs ranked:
-Bowden 2-4 (.333)
-Cignetti 3-8 (.273)

Records vs top 10:
-Bowden 0-4 (.000)
-Cignetti 0-8 (.000)

Losses by 10 less vs top 10:
-Bowden 1-3 (.250)
-Cignetti 2-6 (.250)

Ranked Finishes:
-Bowden 1-5 (.167)
-Cignetti 0-4 (.000)

Top 10 Finishes:
-Bowden 0-5 (.000)
-Cignetti 0-4 (.000)

**Caveats same as above.

 

[WVUALLEN]

If he's not you keep trying until you find one who is. Is it really that hard to understand lol? I get there's a good bit of small-minded people out there. Self-defeating. I know, I know, WV ain't good enough so we'll settle for less. Of course. At least he's a nice guy

Yeah cause we are so Texas like. Able to fire coaches on a yearly basis and continue paying their buyouts and new salary plus overpay NIL to key players to keep recruiting at a higher level. You need to give every coach at least 5 years even if you don't like it. Brown has had his time and should be ending. But 6-6 or 7-5 you know they will keep him.

 

[deedoubleyou]

Yeah cause we are so Texas like. Able to fire coaches on a yearly basis and continue paying their buyouts and new salary plus overpay NIL to key players to keep recruiting at a higher level. You need to give every coach at least 5 years even if you don't like it. Brown has had his time and should be ending. But 6-6 or 7-5 you know they will keep him.

It doesn't matter what state you are in. If you want to hire a proven coach or keep a really good one you'll have to pay him more than 4 mil per year. Wvu can do that if they want to. It is a desirable school and a good location. 4 years of no climb is plenty. Looks like Penn State is not the Goliath team we made them look like. Bowling Green is giving them all they can handle. They have already surpassed what we could do in the entire game. Pretty sad for a school with such a rich tradition of football like wvu. One of the winningest schools of all time that hasn't won the big one.

 

[WVUALLEN]

It doesn't matter what state you are in. If you want to hire a proven coach or keep a really good one you'll have to pay him more than 4 mil per year. Wvu can do that if they want to. It is a desirable school and a good location. 4 years of no climb is plenty. Looks like Penn State is not the Goliath team we made them look like. Bowling Green is giving them all they can handle. They have already surpassed what we could do in the entire game. Pretty sad for a school with such a rich tradition of football like wvu. One of the winningest schools of all time that hasn't won the big one.

Uh, don't forget you still have to pay the one's you fire 4 million a year as well.

Good for Bowling Green. They are inspired. Perhaps we should have been 35 point underdogs.

 

[deedoubleyou]

Uh, don't forget you still have to pay the one's you fire 4 million a year as well.

Good for Bowling Green. They are inspired. Perhaps we should have been 35 point underdogs.

Yep and it's worth every penny to get Brown away from the football program so he doesn't cause more damage....

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Additional info:

Records vs ranked:
-Bowden 2-6 (.250)
-Cignetti 0-11 (.000)

Losses by 10 or Less vs ranked:
-Bowden 2-4 (.333)
-Cignetti 3-8 (.273)

Records vs top 10:
-Bowden 0-4 (.000)
-Cignetti 0-8 (.000)

Losses by 10 less vs top 10:
-Bowden 1-3 (.250)
-Cignetti 2-6 (.250)

Ranked Finishes:
-Bowden 1-5 (.167)
-Cignetti 0-4 (.000)

Top 10 Finishes:
-Bowden 0-5 (.000)
-Cignetti 0-4 (.000)

**Caveats same as above.

Brown appears very Cignetti like

 

[WVUALLEN]

Brown appears very Cignetti like

Ouch. Gut punch.