Is Dana the worst WVU QB recruiter/developer ever?

[wvpaper]

There has been a year, here and there, where qb play was mediocre.

But can you remember 3 years like the last 3? The nicest way to put it is QB talent has been well below average.

And when you really think about it... Dana certainly appears to be the worst QB recruiter/developer in recent history. Is Dana the worst ever? You tell me.

Before Dana:

Geno
Brown
White
Rasheed
Bulger
.. you get the picture

 

[wbgvwbgv]

There has been a year, here and there, where qb play was mediocre.

But can you remember 3 years like the last 3? The nicest way to put it is QB talent has been well below average.

And when you really think about it... Dana certainly appears to be the worst QB recruiter/developer in recent history. Is Dana the worst ever? You tell me.

Before Dana:

Geno
Brown
White
Rasheed
Bulger
.. you get the picture

LOL. The idiot board seems to be in overdrive.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

There has been a year, here and there, where qb play was mediocre.

But can you remember 3 years like the last 3? The nicest way to put it is QB talent has been well below average.

And when you really think about it... Dana certainly appears to be the worst QB recruiter/developer in recent history. Is Dana the worst ever? You tell me.

Before Dana:

Geno
Brown
White
Rasheed
Bulger
.. you get the picture

LOL. The idiot board seems to be in overdrive.

um you forgot brad Lewis between bulger and Rasheed. He was really bad. Rasheed was average. What about Adam bednarik between Rasheed and pat white? Selective memory doesn't make your point legit or change facts. Holgs had geno, trickett, and Howard. Seems about par for Wvu based on history.

 

[Pushingtin]

LOL. The idiot board seems to be in overdrive.

you really shouldn't be that hard on yourself!!!

 

[wbgvwbgv]

That was so funny I forgot to laugh. Sorry - that is too silly even for this board.

 

[bamaEER]

um you forgot brad Lewis between bulger and Rasheed. He was really bad. Rasheed was average. What about Adam bednarik between Rasheed and pat white? Selective memory doesn't make your point legit or change facts. Holgs had geno, trickett, and Howard. Seems about par for Wvu based on history.

Plus Trickett was having a banner year until he got hurt. Premise of the OP is a fail.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Trickett looked great his second year until the TCU game. The OP isn't a credible person, not worth getting worked up over.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

Is wvpaper the worst poster/thread starter ever?

But can you remember posts like these? The nicest way to put is that these posts have been well below average.

And when you really think about it ... paper appears to be the worst poster ever.

Weeee .... look at me!
I'm on the internet and I can post anything!

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

Here's the funny thing about this thread ..... While I have expressed my disappointment with the play of our quarterback, if he actually starts playing with greater efficiency and results, the position that wvpaper takes is ripped to shreds by the very quarterback and coach he seeks to build his argument upon.

 

[wvpaper]

Trickett looked great his second year until the TCU game. The OP isn't a credible person, not worth getting worked up over.

lol. translation: the op has handed my ass to me on this board.

 

[wvpaper]

Not shocking that danaplogogist blew by the first sentence in the op, in their wild effort to discredit the facts.

There has been a year, here and there, where qb play was mediocre.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

RichRod recruited QBs:

Charles Hales - moved to WR
Dwayne Thompson - moved to WR
Adam Bednarik - beat out, injury prone, drunk, kiddy toucher
Pat White - HoF
TJ Mitchell (twice) - left to play at Hampton College, where he had a decent senior season
Jarrett Brown - serviceable QB but fans tried to run him out of town after the Auburn loss, just like they are doing now with Howard
2006 Class - NO QBs RECRUITED...... seriously?
Charlie Russell - chose med school over football after one season
Brad Starks - moved to WR, infamously known for laziness and overblowing injuries
Coley White - lol


No, Rasheed Marshall was not a RR recruit......... He committed in 2000 when Don was still HC and before Rod was ever mentioned as being his replacement.


So from 2001 to 2008, Rodriguez managed one 4-year starter and Mountaineer great and one serviceable 5th-year senior.


Trickett > Brown.......

 

[Darth_VadEER]

lol. translation: the op has handed my ass to me on this board.

No doubt, in your own mind - I'm sure.

LOL - So how many head coaches are you hiring this week? I say 5. Is 5 a number you're comfortable with? Have you ever done something 5 times?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

lol. translation: the op has handed my ass to me on this board.

I think referring to you as "not credible" is pretty generous considering your past. What else should you be labeled?

 

[Pushingtin]

Here's the funny thing about this thread ..... While I have expressed my disappointment with the play of our quarterback, if he actually starts playing with greater efficiency and results, the position that wvpaper takes is ripped to shreds by the very quarterback and coach he seeks to build his argument upon.

you really going to argue a point using a mythical "IF" he starts playing better

 

[wvpaper]

We're all going to get along, when WVU gets a head coach and starts impoving

I think referring to you as "not credible" is pretty generous considering your past. What else should you be labeled?

You will be posting about me all day now. It's sad actually.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

We're all going to get along, when WVU gets a head coach and starts impoving


You will be posting about me all day now. It's sad actually.

No, we won't. I don't respect you and that won't change if we get a new coach.

 

[Pushingtin]

Trickett looked great his second year until the TCU game. The OP isn't a credible person, not worth getting worked up over.

Trickett came here only after losing his job at FSU. He came to WVU because of family ties and had zero to do with Dana.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Trickett came here only after losing his job at FSU. He came to WVU because of family ties and had zero to do with Dana.

So what? He looked good during that stretch. I thought he developed pretty well under Dana (and that thread says "developer").

 

[Pushingtin]

So what? He looked good during that stretch. I thought he developed pretty well under Dana (and that thread says "developer").

He came in already trained but yes he did improve a little.....but lets be honest, Clint was a gift that fell in his lap.......he and Efore didn't even have to miss a beat doing what ever it is they do on down time to land Clint

 

[MikeRafone]

Don't forget some of Don's guys; Tony Reda, John "Triple Threat" Talley, Ben Reed, Bobby Sablehaus, Eric Boykin......

Ol' Ben could pull the women. He was the boytoy of a 29 year old, then good looking, Tanya Tucker, when he was 21 and roaming the sidelines of Mountaineer Field. Ben was the man. Couldn't throw the ball worth a damn, but he was the man.

QB busts aren't an uncommon thing at WVU.

I didn't count the Jones kid that followed Harris or Chad Johnston. Jones had a bunch young receivers who couldn't catch a cold and no offensive line in his one year as a starter. Johnston had no offensive line his first two years as a starter. He took such a beating in '94, he was never the same. Johnston had a set of wheels in '94. He could barely trot the next two.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

He came in already trained but yes he did improve a little.....but lets be honest, Clint was a gift that fell in his lap.......he and Efore didn't even have to miss a beat doing what ever it is they do on down time to land Clint

He came in trained to run a different offense with other players and didn't have much practical experience. Like it or not, he improved and developed under Dana and Dana gets credit for that accomplishment.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

He came in already trained but yes he did improve a little.....but lets be honest, Clint was a gift that fell in his lap.......he and Efore didn't even have to miss a beat doing what ever it is they do on down time to land Clint

Franklin at PSU did absolutely nothing to get Hack (was already there) and Hack hasn't developed under him at all. Coaching matters, and Dana did a nice job with Trickett. If he wouldn't have gotten hurt, or had another year he could have really done great things, imo. I'd love to have Trickett running the show this year.

 

[Pushingtin]

Don't forget some of Don's guys; Tony Reda, John "Triple Threat" Talley, Ben Reed, Bobby Sablehaus, Eric Boykin......

Ol' Ben could pull the women. He was the boytoy of a 29 year old, then good looking, Tanya Tucker, when he was 21 and roaming the sidelines of Mountaineer Field. Ben was the man. Couldn't throw the ball worth a damn, but he was the man.

QB busts aren't an uncommon thing at WVU.

I didn't count the Jones kid that followed Harris or Chad Johnston. Jones had a bunch young receivers who couldn't catch a cold and no offensive line in his one year as a starter. Johnston had no offensive line his first two years as a starter. He took such a beating in '94, he was never the same. Johnston had a set of wheels in '94. He could barely trot the next two.

Don't start on Don...he gave us Major and Jake the Snake....

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Don't start on Don...he gave us Major and Jake the Snake....

Yay for 2 QBs in 20 years of coaching!!!!!

 

[Pushingtin]

Yay for 2 QBs in 20 years of coaching!!!!!

Actually I was kind of joking as those two were very big characters during the Dandy Don years but just to prove your ignorance, once again, can I say Hostetler, Bulger, Luck......just to name a few more. When did you or have you ever really been a WVU fan.....did you start during the Rod years???

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Actually I was kind of joking as those two were very big characters during the Dandy Don years but just to prove your ignorance, once again, can I say Hostetler, Bulger, Luck......just to name a few more. When did you or have you ever really been a WVU fan.....did you start during the Rod years???

Luck wasn't recruited by Don. Hostetler was a transfer............... and as we all "know" that doesn't count. Bulger was a no-name, no-accolade QB recruit who, if Dana recruited now, would get ripped apart by the board members as "This is all we can sign?"

FTR, I'm pointing out the idiocy of judging guys like Chugz, Sills, and Crest so early with the Bulger reference.....

 

[MikeRafone]

Yep and John Talley and Ben Reed.......... in the same year. Although Talley headed to TE later in the season and got some PT in the NFL at TE.

Jerry Porter the same thing, came in as QB, spent his freshman and redshirt years there, two years at safety, and finally a year at WR where he starred at in the NFL.

Don was a little slow getting kids in the right spot at times.

As for Kelchner, Don had always Studstill to bail Jake out, ala BC. To this day I wonder how many of Kelchner's bursa sac flare-ups were excuses for bad hangovers?

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

when you feel the need to besmirch others to defend Dana, pause a minute, and as whether you should think it through before posting.

Nehlen inherited Luck, and it was lucky for him. I wasn't impressed with him as AD but he was a damn good QB.

The remaininng 18 years:

Hoss for 2-- anNFL QB and one of the best in our history

Major, one of the best in our history, chose against don's advice to use only 3 years of eligibility

Bulger: for 4, 3 as a starter and one of the best in our history

We had 10 years where Nehlen did not have a GREAT college QB starting.

White was very solid if not built for the pros; Kelcner was very good but injury prone.

Greg Jones was a higly ranked and hyped recruit who did not pan out as well as hoped but got only 1 year to really prove himself.

Johnston, Lewis and Studstill were not great players, but they weren't terrible, Lewis gets hurt because people remember how bad he looked in Rich's offense his senior year but that wasn't all his fault. People focus on Studstill getting his bell rung in the sugar and tend to ignore he played an important role in getting us there.

The bad QBs were actually all concentrated in a 2 year period, 85-86, between white and Major. Not surprisingly that coincided with Nehlen' first of his infrequent struggles. Still, we went 11-10-1 those 2 years.

He also recruited Nagle who was good enough to play in the NFL just not good enough to beat out Major and Rasheed who was a more than adequate QB for rich.

 

[wvpaper]

Nice thread. Reading through, discounting the loons, it seems the general concensus is dana has indeed been historically bad at building the qb position.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Nice thread. Reading through, discounting the loons, it seems the general concensus is dana has indeed been historically bad at building the qb position.

three top 25 QBs in 4 seasons, brah. Smith (#4 and #3) and Trickett (#23 even after sitting last 2.5 games)

three top 25 total offenses in 4 seasons, brah: 2011 - 17th, 2012 - 12th, 2014 - 14th


poor ole "Can't get right" just can never seem to figure out how to make a decent argument.....

 

[wvpaper]

three top 25 QBs in 4 seasons, brah. Smith (#4 and #3) and Trickett (#23 even after sitting last 2.5 games)

three top 25 total offenses in 4 seasons, brah: 2011 - 17th, 2012 - 12th, 2014 - 14th


poor ole "Can't get right" just can never seem to figure out how to make a decent argument.....

Your fast and loose play with facts is why you always lose these arguments with me.

Smith was great before dana was hired. He actually was a first round projection before dana was hired.

Trichet, the jimbo product,was decent but often injured.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Your fast and loose play with facts is why you always lose these arguments with me.

Smith was great before dana was hired. He actually was a first round projection before dana was hired.

Trichet, the jimbo product,was decent but often injured.

and you have the nerve to talk about facts.......... I can LINK what I posted, since they are actually facts.

Also, this:

Geno before Dana:

273/421 = 65%

3,072 yards in 18 games played

2,763 yards in 13 games in 2010 (212 yards passing a game)

25 TDs, 8 INTs between 2009-2010


After Dana:

8,590 yards passing in 27 games (318 yards/game)

715/1,044 = 68%

73 TDs to 13 INTs


Being a complete dumbass is probably bad for you health, Paper........ but so is alcoholism........ and apparently your driving is a threat to everyone on the road, Otis

 

[wvpaper]

Typical Keaton. After being exposed for ass clownery, he doubles down on irrelevant facts.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Typical Keaton. After being exposed for ass clownery, he doubles down on irrelevant facts.

yes, Geno's stock was never higher than when he managed to score a total of 7 points in his bowl game under BS and Mullen

His stat line that night............... 196 yards on 56% passing.............. oh, yes. A sure-fire 1st rounder there

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Typical Keaton. After being exposed for ass clownery, he doubles down on irrelevant facts.

I'm sure they are irrelevant to you (they don't fit your agenda). Personally, I just think math intimidates you and makes your head hurt.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Honestly, I'm tired of making Paper my little bitch


Does anyone else want a go with her? She's loose and usually blacked out.......................... but she's got a big heart.

 

[wvpaper]

yes, Geno's stock was never higher than when he managed to score a total of 7 points in his bowl game under BS and Mullen

His stat line that night............... 196 yards on 56% passing.............. oh, yes. A sure-fire 1st rounder there

You compare Geno's, Tavons, Bailey's senior year to their freshman year. You compare 2 completely different offensive system.

...as if you are proving a point.

Lol. Yeah that's game, set, match - again.

No harm though. Not many here are smart enough to see thru your BS. And I enjoy it.

 

[wvpaper]

I'm sure they are irrelevant to you (they don't fit your agenda). Personally, I just think math intimidates you and makes your head hurt.

Ah. He's still posting about me. It's so sad.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

You compare Geno's, Tavons, Bailey's senior year to their freshman year. You compare 2 completely different offensive system.

...as if you are proving a point.

Lol. Yeah that's game, set, match - again.

No harm though. Not many here are smart enough to see thru your BS. And I enjoy it.

Yet again, Can't Get Right falls on his face..................

2010 was Geno and Tavon's sophomore years. Stedman was a redshirt freshman.............

You can't get out of your own way, Otis.......... it must be those gigantic clown shoes (or the booze)