The 1st half of yesterday's game was probably one of the most embarrassing episodes of modern Mountaineer football history. The team was ill prepared, mentally undisciplined and lacked the focus needed to perform well on a national stage. The personal fouls, running into the kicker was just flat out awful. Mountaineer fans wherever you where last night should have been embarrassed by the 1st half. This is a direct indictment of the coaching staff. Holgersen proved once again that he wasn't ready for the bright lights. Anyone trying to direct blame away from the coaching staff clearly puts their loyalty to Dana above Wvu. Six years is more than enough time to prove your worth. He has failed to return the program to the glory days of 2005-2007. The second half of the game was better but we were playing for a shot at the big 12 title not for a participation trophy. The big 12 is weak this year and it was a perfect opportunity to prove his worth. He let an Oklahoma team that was already exposed by Houston and OSU come into our house an embarrass us. Anyone who thinks this guy will ever win a big 12 title after last nights debacle needs to have there mountaineer Patriotism questioned.
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I wouldn't lose a second of sleep if someone hired DH away. His offense never delivered on expectations and his recent uptick in recruiting and the W total IMO is more on Gibson than it is him. I would be excited to see what Gibson can do here as a HC.
His offenses have been in the top 25 5 out of the 6 seasons he's been our coach
"Offenses never delivered"
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"Offenses never delivered"
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I think we can all agree that pratfalling to a 35-0 deficit was one of the worst displays of Mountaineer football we've seen in a long time.
4 turnovers without getting whacked a lot handed the game to Oklahoma on a silver platter.
I give WVU credit for not rolling over in the 2nd half but the game was over by then.
Putrid performance. Doesn't take away from 8-2 record, but sure tarnishes it.
Now on to Iowa State and then another stumbling team, Baylor, to wrap up the season. NYD 6-pack is a dead dream.
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21
U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32
N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16
T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17
A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10
I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37
N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21
E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20
E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28
R ebound at Iowa State
S urvive Baylor
4 turnovers without getting whacked a lot handed the game to Oklahoma on a silver platter.
I give WVU credit for not rolling over in the 2nd half but the game was over by then.
Putrid performance. Doesn't take away from 8-2 record, but sure tarnishes it.
Now on to Iowa State and then another stumbling team, Baylor, to wrap up the season. NYD 6-pack is a dead dream.
M anhandled Missouri, 26-11
O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21
U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32
N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16
T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17
A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10
I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37
N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21
E xcellent, timely defense AGAIN; beat Texas, 24-20
E rectile dysfunctioned against Oklahoma, 56-28
R ebound at Iowa State
S urvive Baylor
We wanted a top 5 offense when we hired him, not a top 25 offense. What we got was a wildly inconsistent offense that is not a sustainable way to win against quality opponents, and up until Gibson arrived basically no D.
The big 12 defenses aren't exactly steel curtains.
Plus we got a run offense with average QB at best players- this from an air raid guru - almost over
Let us see, which means on a terrible night we had some nerves, 3 quick turnovers, a booing crowd, a coach that is rumored to be leaving, and a pretty good team playing us. This doesn't change a thing in my mindset. We're having a decent year and there is more to come.
What we got is a HC who is about to have his 2nd 10-win season in 6 years
Our previous 2 coaches combined for 3 10 win seasons in a decade
Our previous 2 coaches combined for 3 10 win seasons in a decade
I'm not complaining about how things are going. I'm saying if he were to be poached, which IMO is likely given the amount of high profile openings right now and how his name is being thrown around for almost all of them, I don't think it would be anywhere near as devastating as it was when RR left. We can easily hire from within and recruiting wouldn't drop off and an overhaul of our offensive and defensive systems wouldn't be necessary. We might even help ourselves since maybe we will lose a lot of the head scratching playcalls that we've come accustomed to.
He's done a good job the last few years for sure given what materialized this year and what we hope will materialize next year. However his whole body of work here is hardly impressive.
One game does not poaching a coach make.
I'd almost bet it's Oregon, unless their AD gets canned.
Holgorsen is a choke artist. He has proven time and time again that he can't win big games. He had the perfect opportunity to win this weak conference and blew it.
There not gonna hire him. They will try and get the Boise state coach, possibly mike Macintyre or maybe the Western Michigan coach. They are much better candidates then Holgorson. Oregon won't even consider this guy after the current disaster they have on their hands.
I think in a more respectable way people are wondering when WVU footballs gonna take it that notch up. Which would include beating OU and winning the conference. Last night was as bad as I can recall. I can remember Rich Rod's team that went down to top 5 Miami full of 1st rounders and almost got the W. And thus team has more talent and skill than that one. That had more heart though.
Michigan should've never considered DickRod after 13-9 but they did. You're selling agents short.
We've yet to play a top game against OU in conference. I don't consider that an indictment of poor coaching but I do consider it a coaching staff that may have already checked out for the year because greener grass is ahead for them, or at least most of them.
JJ, I remember a national title contender losing to a 4-win Pitt team too.... and a Big East Champion losing to a USF team at home, knocking us out of the BCS... and a top 5 WVU losing back to back to ECU and Colorado.....
What I see now is a 10+ win team coming off 8 wins....... who came off of 7 wins..... who came off 4 wins
I see progress. And I see an elite offense coming back to Morgantown with a 5 star QB waiting in the wings and a defense growing in talent
A coaching change RUINS that
What I see now is a 10+ win team coming off 8 wins....... who came off of 7 wins..... who came off 4 wins
I see progress. And I see an elite offense coming back to Morgantown with a 5 star QB waiting in the wings and a defense growing in talent
A coaching change RUINS that
Oregon is gonna look for someone more Local like Boise state or Macintyre at Colorado. They are familiar with the Oregon job. Oregon's current coach has his fair share of choke jobs. Holgorson would just be a continuation of what they already have.
I'm not saying one thing or another. I'm just saying I "think" this is the frustration of many fans. Last night made me sick at my stomach. I spent most of the year defending this team to my coworkers. It will be difficult tomorrow, but I'll take whatever comes my way.
However, today I was healed by heading to Morgantown and watching me sone Huggs ball! He's got a potential monster building in Motown!
I don't think there's a legit chance Dana leaves. I believe many of these rumors are helping to drive up his next salary at WVU. If he stays, I'm fine. If he leaves, ok with that too. But efforts need to be exhausted to leave the door open for him. But I'd say three year extension should be max.
I believe that would be a safe bet. Oregon probably yearns for the offenses of the past. Coaches ,of course, are the first to know that they are leaving , even if they may not know where. Then the other coaches, some who are really close, are told it might happen. The players who are close to these coaches, who by the way are intelligent and perceptive,... read , hear, and feel what is probably coming down. I know it is pure conjecture, but I feel that is part of what happened last night , at least with the discipline problems.
I hope that Dana does not leave, but with his age and the fact that he might have a respectable finish to the season, it might be his time to cash in. We might be the high bidder but I doubt it. He could lose the next 2 games and not have a choice. He also could try to ride out his last year with a very promising QB and team coming back , might then hit the lotto.
Show a coaching change that has led to such things.... keep in mind we already heading to 10 wins..... and for The love of God don't say Urban Meyer
Dana's O has put up big points on top 25 teams. I can't recall Gibson in his short tenure as DC having a good showing against a top 25 team.
You're underestimating how many ADs are out there under severe pressure to "win now" and willing to pay a boatload of money to make it happen. 1 single good season has gotten programs like Alabama and Texas to offer in the past, you best believe Oregon will consider the no huddle spread coach in the middle of coaching WV's best season in about a decade. We cannot outbid Phil Knight, if they want him they will take him.
The goal is to win. I could care less that his offense puts up points in losses. You can't even really throw last night completely on the D, it was the O who had the plus matchup on paper, we knew OU would put up points, the D's job was to simply slow them down a little, tough to do when the O literally can't stay on the field and when they do they turn it over. Turnovers cost us both Oklahoma games this year, that's on the resident offensive genius.
Chris Peterson after Dan Hawkins lead to Boise becoming the "it" program for about 5 years
Les Miles after Nick Saban won an NC
Chip Kelly after Mike Belotti retired worked out pretty good
Hardly unprecedented for the next guy to top what the guy who left did
lol, after how many years? I said the VERY NEXT YEAR....... dumbass Coloradoeer or whatever said a new coach could do better than Dana NEXT YEAR.... I asked for an example when a new coach took a 10 win team to a higher lever the next season
And giving Pedersen as an example is BS because he was an inhouse hire from OC to HC
A lot of that depends on what is left behind to work with. The next coach will have a full cupboard year 1, just like DH had when he first got here, then he emptied the cupboard for a few years before restocking it.
No but it's his fault the '14 and '15 WVU teams were mediocre. It's his fault he hired Joe DeForest and stuck with him as long as he did. It's his fault the 2013 Mountaineers bottomed out. Not everything can be put on Stewart after 2 full seasons as coach.
Tony Gibson should be given a shot as a HC. He is a much better recruiter than Holgorsen and better at coaching defense than Holgorsen is at coaching offensive. TG will be a HC somewhere someday. It might as well be at Wvu. I am sure he knows people that are capable of running a spread rushing attack. How many times does a team lose a game when they have an RB rush for over 300 yards? If TG is given a shot and fails it would be disappointing but Holgorsen has failed time and time again. Its time to give someone else a shot at the very least we will have someone else to complain about.
Well holgorsen has had six years and can't even beat a weak Oklahoma team with what he said is his best team. The personal fouls and lack of discipline is directly on him but you can't admit it dumbass. This guy will never do any better than he did this year. He's a choke artist
Holgorsen isn't coaching the players to be undisciplined, and it was the defensive side of the ball that had tons of penalties and couldn't tackle better than a Jr. High team.
He was clearly upset on the sidelines as the plays he called that we're getting the team to the five yd line were blown up by turnovers and mistakes.
WVU needs better more disciplined players and more depth so that they can sit down players that can't play better in big games.
You don't get better players when the message boards are filled with hate mongers trying to run the coach out of town for six seasons- really before he coached a down. They see that, their families see and hear it-- some hear it and see it it when they happen to read the WVU rags and hear radio shows-- and they go instead to programs that get terrific fan support.
Better players are the key and a coach can't recruit better players to rural WV when other competing coaches can use negative recruiting such as the coach being run out of town every year by the "fanbase".
He was clearly upset on the sidelines as the plays he called that we're getting the team to the five yd line were blown up by turnovers and mistakes.
WVU needs better more disciplined players and more depth so that they can sit down players that can't play better in big games.
You don't get better players when the message boards are filled with hate mongers trying to run the coach out of town for six seasons- really before he coached a down. They see that, their families see and hear it-- some hear it and see it it when they happen to read the WVU rags and hear radio shows-- and they go instead to programs that get terrific fan support.
Better players are the key and a coach can't recruit better players to rural WV when other competing coaches can use negative recruiting such as the coach being run out of town every year by the "fanbase".
The game was over within 5 minutes, a complete implosion on all 3 facets of the game, you cannot blame a specific unit. It was 34-0 before we "woke up" aka Oklahoma let off the gas, and when they had to they immediately scored another TD with ease.
You cant win when special teams commits a boneheaded turnover to start the game
You cant win when a missed tackle turns into a long TD
You cant win when you respond to the aforementioned bad breaks with 3 and outs
You cant win when you turn it over in the red zone not once but twice
You cant win when you throw a pick 6 to start a half when you're already down 27
