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Ok...first I love Huggs and want him and the Mountaineers to succeed. However when you drill down into his results at wvu it isn't so fantastic. His overall winning percentage is in the 60 percents...not world beating. Mediocre. And more frustrating is the middle of the road results in conference. Huggs squads have won in the conference regular season only 51.8% of the time. That would be 72 wins and 67 defeats. Not outer worldly for sure. Worse yet is the three year trend counting this season. WVU has won only 21 of it;s last 48 regular season conference games. Folks that is 43.7%. Take away the 2015-16 season of 13-5 and the Mountaineers have been 59 wins and 62 losses under Huggs. Not everyone in the league is named Kansas either. Bottom line...mediocre results.
 
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Rootmaster said:
Ok...first I love Huggs and want him and the Mountaineers to succeed. However when you drill down into his results at wvu it isn't so fantastic. His overall winning percentage is in the 60 percents...not world beating. Mediocre. And more frustrating is the middle of the road results in conference. Huggs squads have won in the conference regular season only 51.8% of the time. That would be 72 wins and 67 defeats. Not outer worldly for sure. Worse yet is the three year trend counting this season. WVU has won only 21 of it;s last 48 regular season conference games. Folks that is 43.7%. Take away the 2015-16 season of 13-5 and the Mountaineers have been 59 wins and 62 losses under Huggs. Not everyone in the league is named Kansas either. Bottom line...mediocre results.
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Until we get new assistants NOTHING will change - the system doesn't open up real shooters - we have two leading JUCO scorers - Taz and McNeil and the system doesn't get them open. They didn't forget how to shoot - the system and Assistants suck.
 
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If people don't like it with Huggins they're really going to hate it someday when Huggins leaves. WVU is not a basketball school and there is no reason to think WVU's basketball program should be better than average. We hit heights with Beilein but unsurprisingly he was using WVU as a stepping stone and we've hit height with Huggins but he was already a big name and he played at WVU and is nearing the end of his career so he has no need to make a name at a bigger place.

Who exactly is WVU going to get to coach after Huggins retires? Nobody near as big a name as Huggins and if it's a no-namer like Beilein then if he does well he'll probably move on like Beilein did.

After Huggins leaves WVU is going back to the Catlett days, which isn't a diss on Catlett because he was a good coach, but it's just that the program was at a lower level then and that is where it's headed back to after Huggins leaves.
 
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Op2 said:
If people don't like it with Huggins they're really going to hate it someday when Huggins leaves. WVU is not a basketball school and there is no reason to think WVU's basketball program should be better than average. We hit heights with Beilein but unsurprisingly he was using WVU as a stepping stone and we've hit height with Huggins but he was already a big name and he played at WVU and is nearing the end of his career so he has no need to make a name at a bigger place.

Who exactly is WVU going to get to coach after Huggins retires? Nobody near as big a name as Huggins and if it's a no-namer like Beilein then if he does well he'll probably move on like Beilein did.

After Huggins leaves WVU is going back to the Catlett days, which isn't a diss on Catlett because he was a good coach, but it's just that the program was at a lower level then and that is where it's headed back to after Huggins leaves.
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Four million bucks buys a lot of coach. See CNB.
 
Op2 said:
If people don't like it with Huggins they're really going to hate it someday when Huggins leaves. WVU is not a basketball school and there is no reason to think WVU's basketball program should be better than average. We hit heights with Beilein but unsurprisingly he was using WVU as a stepping stone and we've hit height with Huggins but he was already a big name and he played at WVU and is nearing the end of his career so he has no need to make a name at a bigger place.

Who exactly is WVU going to get to coach after Huggins retires? Nobody near as big a name as Huggins and if it's a no-namer like Beilein then if he does well he'll probably move on like Beilein did.

After Huggins leaves WVU is going back to the Catlett days, which isn't a diss on Catlett because he was a good coach, but it's just that the program was at a lower level then and that is where it's headed back to after Huggins leaves.
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Yes WVU is a basketball school. One of the few schools who are basketball and football schools, and we have the records to prove it. We expect to win, and we will after Higgins and Brown and whoever else.
 
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Rootmaster said:
Ok...first I love Huggs and want him and the Mountaineers to succeed. However when you drill down into his results at wvu it isn't so fantastic. His overall winning percentage is in the 60 percents...not world beating. Mediocre. And more frustrating is the middle of the road results in conference. Huggs squads have won in the conference regular season only 51.8% of the time. That would be 72 wins and 67 defeats. Not outer worldly for sure. Worse yet is the three year trend counting this season. WVU has won only 21 of it;s last 48 regular season conference games. Folks that is 43.7%. Take away the 2015-16 season of 13-5 and the Mountaineers have been 59 wins and 62 losses under Huggs. Not everyone in the league is named Kansas either. Bottom line...mediocre results.
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Maybe Bob Huggins posts on a message board about your life....

He could talk about how average and basic you are, and how you've never really done anything important, despite being old and having your best years behind you.

You will die poorer and less accomplished than he will, but hey...at least you were able to spend your final years complaining on a message board, like a real man.
 
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MeBlow said:
Yes WVU is a basketball school. One of the few schools who are basketball and football schools, and we have the records to prove it. We expect to win, and we will after Higgins and Brown and whoever else.
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Higgins is the reason we're losing not Huggins.
 
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Rootmaster said:
Ok...first I love Huggs and want him and the Mountaineers to succeed. However when you drill down into his results at wvu it isn't so fantastic. His overall winning percentage is in the 60 percents...not world beating. Mediocre. And more frustrating is the middle of the road results in conference. Huggs squads have won in the conference regular season only 51.8% of the time. That would be 72 wins and 67 defeats. Not outer worldly for sure. Worse yet is the three year trend counting this season. WVU has won only 21 of it;s last 48 regular season conference games. Folks that is 43.7%. Take away the 2015-16 season of 13-5 and the Mountaineers have been 59 wins and 62 losses under Huggs. Not everyone in the league is named Kansas either. Bottom line...mediocre results.
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If you're taking things away then take out the 4-14 of last season and 6-12 of 2012-13. Folks that ups the 61.5%. Amazing what can be done with moving numbers around to fit a situational need.
 
lam not down on this team of the three games the only one that i feel wv should have won was the kansas game an if you look at it you can not win if you can't put ball in the basket they are missing shots lay ups even the gards can't pass the ball how can you blame huggins for missed shots culver tries to force his way to the basket with to or three players all around him i hope taz sherman has started to see his shot go in that will open things up inside teams can't pack it in as they have been doing that is all this team needs is someone start to make outside shots
 
WVUALLEN said:
If you're taking things away then take out the 4-14 of last season and 6-12 of 2012-13. Folks that ups the 61.5%. Amazing what can be done with moving numbers around to fit a situational need.
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Wow glad my heart surgeon succeeded more than 61.5% of the time. Then again we do live in a time when mediocrity is celebrated.
 
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SeronimusPratt said:
Beilein never won the big ones, but some here would give their testes or ovaries to have him back. Some of these "fans" make no sense to me....
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I wouldn't take Beilien over Huggins, but would take Beilein over a majority of coaches out there. They both seemed to suffer from a flaw in that they felt certain parts of the game could be ignored or given far less attention and still result in competitive teams. Beilein didn't even allow strength training at WVU and seemed to think rebounding and defense were not nearly as important as his motion offense and shooting. Huggs is on the opposite end where shooting and half court offense are far down the list compared to defense and rebounding. I don't think you have to sacrifice from one for the sake of the other, but rather it may be possible to add to one side while keeping the level of play at the other side the same. I prefer Huggins focus on defense and rebounding as opposed to Beilein, but wouldn't mind seeing him at least try to do something different with the consistently poor half court offense WVU has had for most of the last decade. And there is something to be said about how shooters like Taz and McNeil seem to be fairing worse under Huggins. I understand this is a big step up in terms of competition and that plays a role even possible the largest role. But just like the difference in results between the same offensive players being employed by Holgorsen vs Mullen on the football side, coaching/gameplan can work against a player's strengths. Now I hate the idea of trying to sacrifice defense/rebounding for offense which is why I wasn't disappointed to see Eron Harris or Henderson leave the program. However, it is not crazy to think that with the last 10 years of offensive struggles that at least tweaking the approach to that end of the court wouldn't be a bad idea. Even if it means changing assistants or Huggins swallowing his pride and looking toward other coaches for advice. Again, this is not saying Huggins can't coach or should change his overall gameplan. It is to say that the best at anything are lifelong learners and are the best because they don't rest on their laurels when they have niche success.
 
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Bell: You've made a lot of good points in the last few days, but your outlook will improve dramatically as WVU's schedule lightens up significantly over the next couple of weeks. The bottom half of the Big 12 isn't very good, and WVU gets to play four of the conference's bottom feeders in its next five games.
 
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Beilein never won the big ones, but some here would give their testes or ovaries to have him back. Some of these "fans" make no sense to me....
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Yeah, who would want Beilein back, that guy sucked.

Honestly, it's amazing how people lose perspective. He couldn't win the big one? Why? Because he didn't win any national titles? So winning more than almost everyone but not more than absolutely everyone makes you a loser because you can't win the big one?

Beilen is a great coach and so is Huggins, period.
 
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Wow glad my heart surgeon succeeded more than 61.5% of the time. Then again we do live in a time when mediocrity is celebrated.
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Another fallacy and pet peeve.
If you have a severely defective heart and surgery is mandatory your stated philosophy might seal your doom. You speak with surgeons who have a 'cure
rate of >90% wow, that sounds great. UH oh , you are not a candidate thay will accept. WHY, your chances of survival are not as high as they demand so as to keep their statistics at the level THEY and, apparently, you require. You talk with several of the 'more successful' surgeons and find NONE of them will take you as a patient, despite the obvious need. You finally agree to talking with a surgeon whose success rate is around 60%. He tells you he is more interested in including patients who require the surgery for survival rather than be so concerned about HIS statistics. patient care over perceived quality. Stick to only looking at those physicians with impressive stats and you will be history in a very short time because they do not want you messing up their stats. Accept someone willing to 'take a chance on you and, possibly, add several years to your remaining an air breathing being. I know of what I speak. I have seen it practiced multiple times with one making it quite personal.
So, moral of story: statistics, often, do not portray the total, and potentially most important, aspects of the situation.
 
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Another fallacy and pet peeve.
If you have a severely defective heart and surgery is mandatory your stated philosophy might seal your doom. You speak with surgeons who have a 'cure
rate of >90% wow, that sounds great. UH oh , you are not a candidate thay will accept. WHY, your chances of survival are not as high as they demand so as to keep their statistics at the level THEY and, apparently, you require. You talk with several of the 'more successful' surgeons and find NONE of them will take you as a patient, despite the obvious need. You finally agree to talking with a surgeon whose success rate is around 60%. He tells you he is more interested in including patients who require the surgery for survival rather than be so concerned about HIS statistics. patient care over perceived quality. Stick to only looking at those physicians with impressive stats and you will be history in a very short time because they do not want you messing up their stats. Accept someone willing to 'take a chance on you and, possibly, add several years to your remaining an air breathing being. I know of what I speak. I have seen it practiced multiple times with one making it quite personal.
So, moral of story: statistics, often, do not portray the total, and potentially most important, aspects of the situation.
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Success as a physician in terms of percentages over coaching is different in that one is a zero sum game and the other is not. Coaching is a zero sum game as there are only so many games and a coach on the other side looking for wins. So a coach can only win so many. Disease process not so much in that there is not a losing doc on the other side of any treatment case. The only comparison is what is the person's success and complication rate compared to the others in their field.
 
Op2 said:
Yeah, who would want Beilein back, that guy sucked.

Honestly, it's amazing how people lose perspective. He couldn't win the big one? Why? Because he didn't win any national titles? So winning more than almost everyone but not more than absolutely everyone makes you a loser because you can't win the big one?

Beilen is a great coach and so is Huggins, period.
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Absolutely correct. I've seen MANY people on here state "Huggins has taken us as far as he can go." Its extremely hypocritical that neither have, yet he aren't happy with the one we have.
 
WVUALLEN said:
Lucky you. I am sure some here wish you were dead.
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Well a new low. Now you're hoping someone who posts things you don't agree with on this forum to be dead? Really? Hope Vernon catches this. Threatening someone's life is way over the line. Wow.
 
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Well a new low. Now you're hoping someone who posts things you don't agree with on this forum to be dead? Really? Hope Vernon catches this. Threatening someone's life is way over the line. Wow.
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Wow. Really. That's what you interpreted from that comment. Is your mind always occupied with something that some are out to get you? Are you not getting enough undivided attention?

I don't care if people disagree with me or not. I can't help it if you're wrong. But apparently I'm not allowed my opinion of Huggins is the guy for this team and things are not as bad as people are pouting about.
 
Rootmaster said:
Wow glad my heart surgeon succeeded more than 61.5% of the time. Then again we do live in a time when mediocrity is celebrated.
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Heart surgeons don't perform surgery against other heart surgeons in a competition.

Bill Belichick, mostly considered the best football coach of all time has a 304-137 career record, which is a winning percentage of .689.

Phil Jackson has a career regular season record of .704

Btw - the complication rate of open heart surgery is over 30%.
 
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For the better part of a decade WVU’s best offense was said to be its offensive rebounding. How anyone would prefer that to an actual competent offensive gameplan and not see it as a total indictment against the failure to develop or recruit capable offensive players is beyond me.
 
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For the better part of a decade WVU’s best offense was said to be its offensive rebounding. How anyone would prefer that to an actual competent offensive gameplan and not see it as a total indictment against the failure to develop or recruit capable offensive players is beyond me.
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I don't think it is meant to be the game plan, it just winds up being true because of the ineptitude of the offense. I think stressing rebounding and being in the right position particularly on the offensive side is not a bad idea. There will always be shooting slumps. You are more likely to be consistent in positioning and rebounding than you are in shooting. Thus being good at offensive rebounding is another way to win when the shots are not falling. Problem is, WVU has more often than not had a problem consistently creating offense. It seems WVU must have either 1-2 players that can do 2 of the 3 well game in and game out: knock down shots at range, drive the ball into tight windows, or play the post/scrap for boards. If no player is consistently good at more than one aspect, then the offense needs 3 players that are good passers and shooters spaced around the arc and 2 players good in the post to spread the floor and try to create favorable match-ups. Just waiting for another Butler, Jones, Mazulla/Truck combo to come along hasn't worked well for WVU in the last 10 seasons.
 
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All i know is...for ever reasons...guys with reps as shooters come to wvu and immediately forget where the basket is. Goes for free throws as well.
 
.Bodhi. said:
For the better part of a decade WVU’s best offense was said to be its offensive rebounding. How anyone would prefer that to an actual competent offensive gameplan and not see it as a total indictment against the failure to develop or recruit capable offensive players is beyond me.
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He is a defensive first coach.

He tried to recruit offense and you saw the results...the Harris, Henderson, ect.

Its hard to get great players that can do both sides.
 
Darth_VadEER said:
He is a defensive first coach.

He tried to recruit offense and you saw the results...the Harris, Henderson, ect.

Its hard to get great players that can do both sides.
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Maybe try to implement a half court offense that might work with what you do have? Just waiting for a diamond in the rough that can do both hasn't worked out great so far. So if you can't get good offensive players that also play defense … maybe try to tailor your half court offense to be as independent of having those hard to find players as possible rather than practically requiring them? Also you can be a defensive coach with defense being the crux of your gameplan while still seeking advice or even possibly an assistant coach to help the weak points of shooting/offense.
 
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The Bell Tolls for Thee said:
Maybe try to implement a half court offense that might work with what you do have? Just waiting for a diamond in the rough that can do both hasn't worked out great so far. So if you can't get good offensive players that also play defense … maybe try to tailor your half court offense to be as independent of having those hard to find players as possible rather than practically requiring them? Also you can be a defensive coach with defense being the crux of your gameplan while still seeking advice or even possibly an assistant coach to help the weak points of shooting/offense.
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