Hot for Cincy? Houston?
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Man, you guys were all over this game. Can you imagine the excitement if the Big12 adds Rice and SMU?
Bring on Rice and SMU, the other Power conferences will be quaking in their boots. All you guys for expansion don't even watch a game between the top two candidates and it is the only game on TV. This speaks volumes.
If Houston's players jump around like fools on the sidelines after each score like they did tonight.....the AAC can keep the low-rent team.
If wvu can beat Oklahoma like Houston did then who cares what they do. How many times has wvu pounded Oklahoma since expansion into the Big12. The more I think about it the more Houston makes sense. They can compete for titles if given the opportunity.
I watched most of the game and thought it was a very good game until the 4th and the back-to-back pick 6. How often does that happen? It was an exciting game and those two teams would be at the top of my expansion list for the B12.
I see a fit. There are mid pack and bottom feeders in every conference. I like this game
better than a Rutgers/ Indiana, Maryland/Northwestern, Wake Forest/Duke, Cuse/Wake,
Vandy/KY, Utah/Co, all power 5 potential matchups.
Don't sell Vandy short. They have a game with GT this weekend and I like Vandy on the road.
UKY, well... that's another story. Very disappointing that Stoops hasn't been able to turn it around. Probably his last season there.
Here's my question about this. Why does that make sense? The point of expansion is not so Houston can compete for titles.
Both schools will be upgrades to the Big12.
Cincinnati > Iowa State
Houston > Kansas
No facts can dispute that only opinions which are wrong
Cincinnati > Iowa State
Houston > Kansas
No facts can dispute that only opinions which are wrong
The point of expansion is not the benefit Houston. The point is to benefit the conference. Houston being able to compete for titles is not a benefit for the current 10 schools.
Yes, it can be disputed. Expansion is not simply about having a better team than this or that school. Houston and Cincinnati don't bring more value to the conference. The only thing they do is trigger the pro rata clause, which can be done by any team. If it wasn't for that, the Big 12 wouldn't be expanding in the first place.
I am almost to the point that I am resigned to some combination of Cincy or Houston or BYU or UCONN. I can understand why one of the directional Florida schools would be seriously considered. But when Rice, and SMU and Temple and a bunch of other schools get serious consideration I lose hope that this conference is ever going to survive.
Interestingly enough, I just read an article on OrangeBloods about expansion. It claims that as of now, none of the candidates have the required 8 votes. Of course that's by no means definitive. That said, given Boren's comments, the reluctance of ESPN and Fox, and the actual financial benefits, I think it's probably true that no candidates have enough support at this point.
One could argue that the perceived ability of Houston to compete for conference titles DOES benefit the other 10 schools in that the possibility of the Big 12 being absent from the playoffs is worse than having Houston be your representative as a conference champion.
Fair point. IMO I think both Florida teams, Cinci and BYU should be added. Extend the GOR for as long as possible. Vest the newbies over 5 years. Add championship game. Get a huge raise from networks. Add full blown out network. But if high quality top 20 program is a goal. You have that immediately with Houston. Losing Texas will always hurt. But letting Texas hold everyone hostage is going to blow up the Big12 sooner or later. The lame leadership should add four now so a future hit can be survived if shitttheadd Texas takes off down the road.
That's why I ask the question, because simply having a Top 20 team is not the goal. That certainly wasn't the goal when the other conferences expanded. The goal is more money.
Which brings me to a related point. When the Big 12 missed the playoffs in 2014, the conventional wisdom was, it was because TCU and Baylor weren't big enough names. Well, how does Houston solve that problem? From a perception standpoint, Houston is in the same boat as Baylor and TCU.
So, because they're better teams at the current moment, they're better additions to the conference? I guess in 5 years we'll be adding Toledo, Marshall, Florida Atlantic and Appalachian State when they're better than our worst teams.
No the Big 12-2=10 will still be debating adding two to get to 12 while we watch Houston (from an expanded SEC) play Cincinnati from an expanded ACC for the NC! Meanwhile Florida Atlantic and Appy State will be undefeated. Marshall will be at the top of the newly adjusted AAC. The good thing is DH will be on the last year of yet another contract extension and coming off his fifth straight 7-6 finish. If he could only have another decade to get his program in place.
I wonder if that's any different than adding Cinci, Houston, University of Phoenix and ITT Tech to the Big XII and we watch as Texas and OU bolt for other conferences and we go back to being in the the Second Fiddle ranks. Nope. Doesn't seem that way.
Looks like the Big 12-2=10 is working real hard to get to that level lol! Looks like any of the candidates right now would elevate the Pure Prairie League.
If merit had anything to do with it, North Dakota St might be in the running.
The way things are going in the big 12 this year i wonder if any of these schools will apply
Florida High School Football Poll
By The Associated Press
Tuesday, September 13, 2016
The Associated Press Top 10 Florida high school football poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, records, rating points and previous rankings:
Class 8A
Record Pts Prv
1. Apopka (14) 3-0 149 1
2. Kissimmee Osceola 3-0 127 2
3. Miami Southridge (1) 2-0 124 3
4. University (Orange City) 3-0 94 6
5. Atlantic Community 2-0 90 4
6. Charles Flanagan 1-1 70 5
7. Dr. Phillips 3-0 61 7
8. Vero Beach 3-0 45 9
9. Deerfield Beach 1-1 30 10
10. Sandalwood 2-0 12 NR
Florida High School Football Poll
By The Associated Press
Tuesday, September 13, 2016
The Associated Press Top 10 Florida high school football poll, with first-place votes in parentheses, records, rating points and previous rankings:
Class 8A
Record Pts Prv
1. Apopka (14) 3-0 149 1
2. Kissimmee Osceola 3-0 127 2
3. Miami Southridge (1) 2-0 124 3
4. University (Orange City) 3-0 94 6
5. Atlantic Community 2-0 90 4
6. Charles Flanagan 1-1 70 5
7. Dr. Phillips 3-0 61 7
8. Vero Beach 3-0 45 9
9. Deerfield Beach 1-1 30 10
10. Sandalwood 2-0 12 NR
If the SEC would come in and take Houston, this would give them an even larger footprint into Texas and that would hurt the Big 12 considerably. Houston is a must.
The sec's model since they started expanding in the 90's is to add teams in states they don't have a team in. That's not to say that won't change but the big 10 and Sec are the 2 conferences in position to add teams from existing power five conferences and that's probably what they would stick too.
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