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Herdiots wanting their own division where the could play for championships

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This is kind of sad when you think about it.......for years they thought they were playing "big boy" football. Now it seems they want to get back to the "good ole days" where they could play for a championship regardless of how meaningless.

https://marshall.forums.rivals.com/...-predicted-a-few-years-ago.31931/#post-431107

Open the link and scroll through the comments to see how desperate they are now that reality is sinking in.
 
Unless the new division also excludes most of the G5 giants like North Texas, UNC Charlotte and Old Dominion they'll still have no shot at a title.

Maybe they're better off playing for championships against Fairmont, Glenville, etc.
 
Marine03 said:
News flash puss. Beating WVU would mean very little to the CFB world. Truth is WVU is an average team in a below average P5 conference
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News flash, Marine....0-12 means Marshall has less of a chance than WVU of making the playoff....WVU has a much bigger chance...

Much better team and a much better conference.

You are wrong when you say Marshall has just as much of a chance.

I know your mind wants so badly to think Marshall is equal to WVU, but reality laughs at your mind.
 
30CAT said:
News flash, Marine....0-12 means Marshall has less of a chance than WVU of making the playoff....WVU has a much bigger chance...

Much better team and a much better conference.

You are wrong when you say Marshall has just as much of a chance.

I know your mind wants so badly to think Marshall is equal to WVU, but reality laughs at your mind.
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0-12 means as much today as your 5-0 record against unc in bball. Programs evolve and change every season. Face it, you're never going to get into a playoff, you can barely compete in the b12, which was watered down this season and you still finished 3rd. With 10 wins you'll barely crack the top 25
 
I've only been clamoring for a split since 1974. You have a system currently where only 15-20 teams are truly playing for a title year in and year out. Let's face it, 2/3 of the current P5 members truly aren't relevant when it comes to competing for a national title. Do they have a shot? Of course they do, if they win them all, but who thinks that's really going to happen? Then you have the G5 members, and they truly have no shot at all at going to the final four. They can go unbeaten, and not have a snowball's chance in hell, unless they would happen to schedule 3 top programs in the non-conference and beat them all on the road. NO SHOT. PERIOD.
 
Marine03 said:
Face it, you're never going to get into a playoff,
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Says Marine03 as he prays
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It already exists, it's called FCS ... where all the other low budget schools play.
 
MichiganHerd said:
I've only been clamoring for a split since 1974. You have a system currently where only 15-20 teams are truly playing for a title year in and year out. Let's face it, 2/3 of the current P5 members truly aren't relevant when it comes to competing for a national title. Do they have a shot? Of course they do, if they win them all, but who thinks that's really going to happen? Then you have the G5 members, and they truly have no shot at all at going to the final four. They can go unbeaten, and not have a snowball's chance in hell, unless they would happen to schedule 3 top programs in the non-conference and beat them all on the road. NO SHOT. PERIOD.
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So you want to think you're FBS worthy but want a separate championship...........kind of like a participation trophy where everybody gets one.
 
old buzzard said:
So you want to think you're FBS worthy but want a separate championship...........kind of like a participation trophy where everybody gets one.
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No, I'm simply stating FACTS. Out of 128 teams in FBS, only 15-20 of them truly have a shot at winning a national title. We can all continue to turn a blind eye to it, but next season, and the year after that, and the year after that, it will be the same 15-20 teams.
 
MichiganHerd said:
No, I'm simply stating FACTS. Out of 128 teams in FBS, only 15-20 of them truly have a shot at winning a national title. We can all continue to turn a blind eye to it, but next season, and the year after that, and the year after that, it will be the same 15-20 teams.
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Have you ever considered that's the way it is because those same 15-20 teams have more talented players than the others, that they have bigger budgets, better facilities, better coaches, and win against tougher schedules than the others ? Maybe you'd be happier if Marshall would move back to FCS where they have their own little championship.
 
old buzzard said:
Have you ever considered that's the way it is because those same 15-20 teams have more talented players than the others, that they have bigger budgets, better facilities, better coaches, and win against tougher schedules than the others ? Maybe you'd be happier if Marshall would move back to FCS where they have their own little championship.
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I'm well aware of the reasons, which is why it will continue to be the same teams year in and year out, with perhaps an occasional outlier every 12-15 years. Those very same reasons you listed support what I've been saying for the last four decades. If WVU, with their budget, has issues competing, what sense does it make for South Alabama to compete at this level? I say split it up, and allow the 2nd tier (G5) to have their own thing. Personally, I would rather see a G5 playoff as opposed to a bowl game consisting of Eastern Michigan taking on Old Dominion. Anybody remember that game? I actually enjoy the FCS playoffs, as well as the D2 and D3 playoffs. I watched the D2 & D3 title games and will likely watch the FCS game coming up this weekend. I actually was rooting for Mary Hardin, right up until I realized they were an offshoot of Baylor.
 
MichiganHerd said:
If WVU, with their budget, has issues competing,
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WVU has problems competing ? That's news to me. Did you not notice that we went 10-3 this year in a P-5 conference ? Have you forgotten the old BCS where we appeared three times and won all three times against the likes of Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson ?
 
old buzzard said:
WVU has problems competing ? That's news to me. Did you not notice that we went 10-3 this year in a P-5 conference ? Have you forgotten the old BCS where we appeared three times and won all three times against the likes of Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson ?
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My how have times changed. You can't beat Oklahoma and you wouldn't touch Clemson
 
old buzzard said:
WVU has problems competing ? That's news to me. Did you not notice that we went 10-3 this year in a P-5 conference ? Have you forgotten the old BCS where we appeared three times and won all three times against the likes of Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson ?
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You started the thread by stating 'competing for a championship'. I have to assume you were talking about a national championship, and not a Poulan Weed Eater Championship. How many national championships has WVU won during the last 50 years? 100 years? 125 years, or for that matter.....ever?
 
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You started the thread by stating 'competing for a championship'. I have to assume you were talking about a national championship, and not a Poulan Weed Eater Championship. How many national championships has WVU won during the last 50 years? 100 years? 125 years, or for that matter.....ever?
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And how many has Marshall won outside of 1-AA ? WVU is fine with the current set-up, it's Marshall fans wanting to change the current system.
 
old buzzard said:
And how many has Marshall won outside of 1-AA ? WVU is fine with the current set-up, it's Marshall fans wanting to change the current system.
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They'll need to create an entire league with nothing but the lower halves of CUSA and the Sunbelt. It will be a ratings juggernaut to be sure.

They can't touch Houston or WKU or Temple or ____ or _____ or ______ or ____ or _______ from the G5 schools
 
Marine03 said:
Ok we beat them in 1999, different program now. Are you seriously hinting to the fact you would beat Clemson? Lmbo
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The difference being that the Clemson team you beat in 99 finished the year with a 6-5 record. The 2011 Clemson team we beat to the tune of 70-33 was 10-3. To answer your question, neither WVU or Marshall would belong on the same field with Clemson this year.
 
old buzzard said:
And how many has Marshall won outside of 1-AA ? WVU is fine with the current set-up, it's Marshall fans wanting to change the current system.
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Really? Well, that would certainly explain the countless number of threads started over on the main board bitching about the current setup. Hell, Cvnt-Tree-Roads has started 27 himself.
 
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MichiganHerd said:
Really? Well, that would certainly explain the countless number of threads started over on the main board bitching about the current setup. Hell, Cvnt-Tree-Roads has started 27 himself.
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I haven't read a single thread on any WVU board suggesting a separate championship within the FBS, but there is a thread on the Marshall board (which I linked in the OP) where the Herdiots want just that.
 
old buzzard said:
I haven't read a single thread on any WVU board suggesting a separate championship within the FBS, but there is a thread on the Marshall board (which I linked in the OP) where the Herdiots want just that.
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They actually linked a story that was posted by ESPN, the same idiots that have provided a major assist in ruining college football. Why wouldn't ESPN want a split? Think about that for a few minutes, prior to coming back with 'WVU is great'.

Not to mention, I'm guessing half the posters over on the board you linked are actually WVU fans in disguise. You can spot a WVU fan by their inability to form an intelligent sentence.
 
MichiganHerd said:
I'm guessing half the posters over on the board you linked are actually WVU fans in disguise.
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So reality is starting to sink in on the Marshall board that they aren't ready for big time football and you decide that anyone with that mind-set has to be a WVU fan in disguise. I hope you and they get your little junior varsity championship game. We could call it the Not Ready For Prime Time Bowl, or maybe the Also Received Votes In the Preseason Poll Bowl.
 
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Marine03 said:
Ok we beat them in 1999, different program now. Are you seriously hinting to the fact you would beat Clemson? Lmbo
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It was only 5 years ago. It is not like we get to play them every year.

I am not saying that we would definitely beat them. I am saying that the last time we played them we were told how they would destroy us.
 
old buzzard said:
So reality is starting to sink in on the Marshall board that they aren't ready for big time football.
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Some have known this for many years, just as have many fans of say 100 other FBS schools. Although there's been a huge talent gap between the haves and have nots, it's grown substantially in recent years. That's reality. It's going to get worse, as long as money continues to dictate college sports. I don't see that stopping anytime soon. Money and greed can often ruin a good thing. It happens in every walk of life, so it was bound to eventually happen with sports.
 
When the power 5 schools break away from the NCAA and start paying the players, only the Alabams's, NotreDame's, USC's, Florida's, etc will be able to win the payday battles. It will still be the same teams MH said it would be in the playoff. Unless the "big boys" split into 4 power conferences that get the same TV deal where the playing field is level, then this will go on and on and on just like it is now.
 
MichiganHerd said:
I've only been clamoring for a split since 1974. You have a system currently where only 15-20 teams are truly playing for a title year in and year out. Let's face it, 2/3 of the current P5 members truly aren't relevant when it comes to competing for a national title. Do they have a shot? Of course they do, if they win them all, but who thinks that's really going to happen? Then you have the G5 members, and they truly have no shot at all at going to the final four. They can go unbeaten, and not have a snowball's chance in hell, unless they would happen to schedule 3 top programs in the non-conference and beat them all on the road. NO SHOT. PERIOD.
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well thought out post and totally correct as far as I am concerned.....it is WVU's goal (as it should be ALL teams) to break in to that elite 15 or 20 by better recruiting , better scheduling, and winning more
 
Snow Sled Baby said:
well thought out post and totally correct as far as I am concerned.....it is WVU's goal (as it should be ALL teams) to break in to that elite 15 or 20 by better recruiting , better scheduling, and winning more
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I think the WVU scheduling is fine the way it is, with the exception of not playing FCS programs any longer. The hell of it is, if you're not a 'big name school', like a Utah, WVU, Minnesota, etc, then you also have to rely on your conference mates to also be decent. I kind of like the idea of having automatic bids to the conference champs, and then select "x" amount of at large teams to fill out the bracket.
 
MichiganHerd said:
I think the WVU scheduling is fine the way it is, with the exception of not playing FCS programs any longer. The hell of it is, if you're not a 'big name school', like a Utah, WVU, Minnesota, etc, then you also have to rely on your conference mates to also be decent. I kind of like the idea of having automatic bids to the conference champs, and then select "x" amount of at large teams to fill out the bracket.
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this season's results aside, do you think in the long run that marshal is capable of playing P5 or whatever you want to call it ?....honest question..no smack intended
 
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