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Enquirer Editorial: Bring the BIG 12 to UC

MikeRafone said:
Yep. We've seen how UCLA and USC ruined the PAC-12.
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When the calibers of John Wooden and John McKay are coaching in the Nati, I'll reconsider. Until then, see Sharknado 3.

Or

When the population of the Nati is north of 10 million and there's a beach with 25 miles of coast line, I'll reconsider. Until then, sharknado 3 time.
 
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And UCLA and USC were in the PAC-10/ PAC-8 long before those two guys showed up. Now, what about that Huggins feller who coached at Cincy for years? He wasn't real good looking, but he could coach. Whatever happened to him?

I'm beginning to think some of you fellas are scared of UC. Sure, the Big O was a better player than West during their playing days, but that's no reason to be scared of Cincy now. That's been nearly sixty years ago. Let it go.
 
MikeRafone said:
And UCLA and USC were in the PAC-10/ PAC-8 long before those two guys showed up. Now, what about that Huggins feller who coached at Cincy for years? He wasn't real good looking, but he could coach. Whatever happened to him?

I'm beginning to think some of you fellas are scared of UC. Sure, the Big O was a better player than West during their playing days, but that's no reason to be scared of Cincy now. That's been nearly sixty years ago. Let it go.
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WVU is 16-3-1 in football against Cincy. We're not scared of Cincinnati whatsoever. That would be an auto win. We don't want them because we have to trade a game every year with Texas & Oklahoma for sh***y Cincinnati.
 
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2-2 against them in the last 4 years of the Big East. Both losses coming under St. Stew. You fella's against Cincy in the Big 12 are skeert of 'em. Just admit it.

Luckily we have Dana at the helm. He knows how to whup 'em
 
Yeah "city schools" are terrible, like Rutgers, GT, Maryland, Ohio State, USC, UCLA, Miami, ASU, Arizona, South Carolina, etc, etc

We heard the same about Louisville.
 
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Buckaineer said:
Yeah "city schools" are terrible, like Rutgers, GT, Maryland, Ohio State, USC, UCLA, Miami, ASU, Arizona, South Carolina, etc, etc

We heard the same about Louisville.
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7 of those you named are state schools. The only thing Cincinnati offers is a city. Woopty do.

Some of you are so dying to go back to the Big Least days that you're willing to kill our current conference to make it so. I don't care what Cincinnati did almost a decade ago. No American Conference team should be added to this conference. If we can't poach the ACC then we should stay put. I'd rather us get to play everyone than to be stuck playing Cincinnati and cross country to play BYU. But continue, you all bring me great reminders to why people should pay for a subscription on this site.
 
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Yeah "city schools" are terrible, like Rutgers, GT, Maryland, Ohio State, USC, UCLA, Miami, ASU, Arizona, South Carolina, etc, etc

We heard the same about Louisville.
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I swear some of you people just come here to argue. I have stayed out of the 18 page argument you guys got going on another thread, cause honestly it a circle argument. It's a waste of time.

If you can't be logical and see Cincinnati isn't even the most popular school in the city that bears their name, then it's a lost cause. I used to work there. One the Reds own that town. The Bungles are more popular too. Two if you talk about college athletics, it's tOSU as the DOMINANT draw. Not since Huggins was there has that school mattered in Cincinnati.

If you've ever been to games at either Nippert or what replaced Riverfront Stadium, you know the school doesn't even belong in the Big XII or any P5 conference. It's dead weight.
 
3xWVUenginEER said:
As they said in Sharknado 3, "Oh Hell No!!!"


No urban city schools. They don't fit.
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Probably one of the dumbest comments I have ever read on this board. And that says something. This person probably had a person break their heart and move to Cincinnati.
 
Apparently some people love being elitist...our moonshine is just too snobby for some folks to join us at the table. LOL. Come on in Cincy...we'd love to have ya' mate.
 
3xWVUenginEER said:
When the calibers of John Wooden and John McKay are coaching in the Nati, I'll reconsider. Until then, see Sharknado 3.

Or

When the population of the Nati is north of 10 million and there's a beach with 25 miles of coast line, I'll reconsider. Until then, sharknado 3 time.
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UC is 50% bigger than WVU in enrollment. The metro of Cincinnati is larger than the entire state of West Virginia and there is no coast within 25 miles of any Big-12 member.

While Cincinnati is a pro-town, when it comes to college allegiance it is UC's turf, not Ohio State, not UK, not Louisville or even Notre Dame. Lived there most of my life and worked in this industry. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Not elitest, just don't want Cincinnati. They're dead weight. I really like the best schedule in school history. Season tickets are a bargain given who we play. I don't want it watered down with urban city commuter schools that don't draw jack and are 2nd or 3rd most popular school in their own area code.

Glad Texas is objecting to expansion.

The only P5 conference cincinnati would come close to fitting in would be the ACC, lots of urban city schools with horrible fan followings, bad tailgating, that are not the top draw in their home city or city that bares their school name. Let John Swofford welcome the queen city's 2nd or 3rd most followed university after the SEC and B1G make a few more Atlantic invites in the coming years.
 
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That article was earth shattering!

What next? An article explaining how you can pay your bills and travel the world if you win the Powerball?
 
Dead weight? I suppose when Ok or Tx defects around 2024 and the conference falls apart (because 10 stayed the magic number for the Big 12-2=10) then message board experts will be looking at WVU and saying..."dead weight." LOL...elitists have taken over the world. LOL x2.
 
Charleston Mountie said:
UC is 50% bigger than WVU in enrollment. The metro of Cincinnati is larger than the entire state of West Virginia and there is no coast within 25 miles of any Big-12 member.

While Cincinnati is a pro-town, when it comes to college allegiance it is UC's turf, not Ohio State, not UK, not Louisville or even Notre Dame. Lived there most of my life and worked in this industry. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Dead on.
 
3xWVUenginEER said:
Not elitest, just don't want Cincinnati. They're dead weight. I really like the best schedule in school history. Season tickets are a bargain given who we play. I don't want it watered down with urban city commuter schools that don't draw jack and are 2nd or 3rd most popular school in their own area code.

Glad Texas is objecting to expansion.

The only P5 conference cincinnati would come close to fitting in would be the ACC, lots of urban city schools with horrible fan followings, bad tailgating, that are not the top draw in their home city or city that bares their school name. Let John Swofford welcome the queen city's 2nd or 3rd most followed university after the SEC and B1G make a few more Atlantic invites in the coming years.
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You are falling into the failure of making emotional choices over business deals. I hope you do not practice this in your working life. Business is business and feelings are for Hallmark, never connect the two if you want to be successful in either, unless you bargain with prostitutes on a regular basis.

I can understand not wanting to alter our schedule. I recall when the Big East started and everyone raved over playing Miami every year. It got old fast and after a few years in the Big-12 Texas and Oklahoma are not the "events" they used to be - at least for me, especially we seem to have issues beating them.

You make another uninformed assertion that Cincinnati has no drawing power. Nippert Stadium has an official capacity of 40,000. It averaged 37,096 last season when the team played .500 ball all season with no hope of a ranking or decent standing in their conference. They ended up 7-6. They had three games that were standing room only and exceeded Nippert's seating capacity. Tell me, what game did WVU sell out this last season, when was the last time WVU sold out three in the same season AND was playing .500 ball? Be careful throwing rocks when you live in a glass house.

Have you tailgated at UC? Didn't think so, but you know all about it, right.

As for what college draws in Cincinnati, you need to just bow out on this topic as you are clueless.

Cincinnati is not my preferred pick but it is the best pick open to the Big-12. But, like Louisville is seen as "one that got away" all of the things you say about Cincinnati was said about Louisville before they got into the ACC.

Cincinnati is a solid choice for expansion.
 
Charleston Mountie said:
You are falling into the failure of making emotional choices over business deals. I hope you do not practice this in your working life. Business is business and feelings are for Hallmark, never connect the two if you want to be successful in either, unless you bargain with prostitutes on a regular basis.

I can understand not wanting to alter our schedule. I recall when the Big East started and everyone raved over playing Miami every year. It got old fast and after a few years in the Big-12 Texas and Oklahoma are not the "events" they used to be - at least for me, especially we seem to have issues beating them.

You make another uninformed assertion that Cincinnati has no drawing power. Nippert Stadium has an official capacity of 40,000. It averaged 37,096 last season when the team played .500 ball all season with no hope of a ranking or decent standing in their conference. They ended up 7-6. They had three games that were standing room only and exceeded Nippert's seating capacity. Tell me, what game did WVU sell out this last season, when was the last time WVU sold out three in the same season AND was playing .500 ball? Be careful throwing rocks when you live in a glass house.

Have you tailgated at UC? Didn't think so, but you know all about it, right.

As for what college draws in Cincinnati, you need to just bow out on this topic as you are clueless.

Cincinnati is not my preferred pick but it is the best pick open to the Big-12. But, like Louisville is seen as "one that got away" all of the things you say about Cincinnati was said about Louisville before they got into the ACC.

Cincinnati is a solid choice for expansion.
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37,000 isn't anything to brag about. East Carolina averaged 43,000 last year. Army had 30,000. Central Florida had 30,000. Cincinnati also averaged 28,000 in 2014, so that 37,000 isn't a consistent figure. In fact, I looked it up, and in 2009/10, when they went to two BCS games, they averaged 33/35,000. Point being, Cincinnati is not this big draw you are making them out to be. I'm not saying they are bad. I'm just saying it's very questionable of how big a draw Cincinnati actually is.
 
I've always wondered why the ACC didn't take East Carolina over Louisville. Except for a brief lull in the football program post Steve Logan, the Pirates were the better choice.

The Louisville choice showed the ACC for what it is, a basketball conference first, foremost, and always.

If Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, and Miami get tired of playing second fiddle to Notre Dame and the One Sport Dwarves, there's always room in the Big 12 for them.
 
If any school wants to defect in 2024, they will if they can regardless. Oklahoma really can't do anything without State. Texas has the LHN and while to co owner espn it's a disaster, to Texas, it's a cash cow. Nobody else is really a target or possibility.

The LHN also greatly cuts down on the Longhorn options since the PAC, SEC, and even B1G have conference networks. Btw the LHN has I think over 15 years left on the contract which is 7 years past 2024.

If I'm wrong on the above, anyway you slice it, Cincinnati and any combination of 1 or more AAC schools or BYU will not do anything to stop anyone from leaving if they want to and are able to. Until then, it will simply ruin the best schedule and conference WVU has ever had. That's not being an elitist, just honest about the practicality and nonsense of adding the Nati. They can't fill a CUSA stadium on a regular basis and at Paul Brown Stadium it's not a sellout unless tOSU is the opponent. In that case the Buckeyes filled it.

I'm done on this for a few weeks And until the next 5 threads on this topic are rehashed and I forget how pointless this is.

Carry on.

Oh one last prediction the SEC and B1G will drive the next round of expansion. Did you ever notice the SEC network is HQd in Charlotte NC? I'm sure that doesn't mean anything (hint think VPI and NC State).

Btw the name root master is the most unique and original Nick names / user names Ive ever seen. Seriously! See I'm not an Elitist.
 
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3xWVUenginEER said:
Oh one last prediction the SEC and B1G will drive the next round of expansion. Did you ever notice the SEC network is HQd in Charlotte NC? I'm sure that doesn't mean anything (hint think VPI and NC State).
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The SECN is headquartered in Charlotte because that's where ESPN produces ESPNU. They already had facilities there, and that's where the syndicated games for the SEC were already produced, so it simply made sense to base the network in the existing infrastructure.
 
MikeRafone said:
I've always wondered why the ACC didn't take East Carolina over Louisville. Except for a brief lull in the football program post Steve Logan, the Pirates were the better choice.

The Louisville choice showed the ACC for what it is, a basketball conference first, foremost, and always.

If Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, and Miami get tired of playing second fiddle to Notre Dame and the One Sport Dwarves, there's always room in the Big 12 for them.
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Because the ACC already has 4 teams in North Carolina. Trading the Baltimore/DC market for one they already own would have been stupid. You don't seem to understand that expansion in this day and age is all about TV revenue.
 
If the BIG 12 doesn't want any defections down the road, and it doesn't, then the conference needs to be strong. Adding schools now, starting a network and adding a CCG at the same time will accomplish that.

Doing nothing as some of the uninformed want will ensure WVU is in a precarious conference situation around 2025. Anyone wanting that you really have to question their loyalties.

WVUs president is ok with adding Cincinnati, the ramblings of some anonymous poster aren't going to change that they'd make good conference mates in the BIG 12 not just for WVU but for several schools.
 
topdecktiger said:
Because the ACC already has 4 teams in North Carolina. Trading the Baltimore/DC market for one they already own would have been stupid. You don't seem to understand that expansion in this day and age is all about TV revenue.
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Oh, I know about TV and Radio. I've been working in both since the 80's. How about you, Junior?

I've lived in Louisville. It's all cows, cornfields, and Kentucky fans outside of city limits. Western Kentucky, where Louisville is located, also has the lowest population density in the Southeast.

Try selling that b.s. to someone who doesn't know better. The real reason the ACC has never wanted East Carolina is they're afraid of them. East Carolina would own the Tobacco Road schools on the football field and they know it.
 
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MikeRafone said:
Oh, I know about TV and Radio. I've been working in both since the 80's. How about you, Junior?

I've lived in Louisville. It's all cows, cornfields, and Kentucky fans outside of city limits. Western Kentucky, where Louisville is located, also has the lowest population density in the Southeast.

Try selling that b.s. to someone who doesn't know better. The real reason the ACC has never wanted East Carolina is they're afraid of them. East Carolina would own the Tobacco Road schools on the football field and they know it.
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You haven't been working in TV or Radio. I don't believe anyone on message boards who says, "I'm a lawyer, I know 'people on the inside," or what have you.

Louisville brings in more of a market than East Carolina does, which is nothing. The ACC already has 4 North Carolina schools. If you really worked in TV, then you would know a duplicate market is worth nothing.

Here's a comparison of Louisville vs. East Carolina over the last 20 seasons. Louisville is 157-91 (.633). They have five 10-win seasons, 6 conference championships, 2 BCS bowl wins, and a 7-8 bowl record.

East Carolina is 126-116 (.527). They have only one 10-win season, 2 conference championships, no BCS bowls, and a 3-8 bowl record.

But yeah, East Carolina is a MUCH better football program. Sorry to interrupt your story with actual facts.
 
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Everybody relax where still on page 1 im sure this thread will at least reach 20 pages considering its talking about expansion
 
topdecktiger said:
37,000 isn't anything to brag about. East Carolina averaged 43,000 last year. Army had 30,000. Central Florida had 30,000. Cincinnati also averaged 28,000 in 2014, so that 37,000 isn't a consistent figure. In fact, I looked it up, and in 2009/10, when they went to two BCS games, they averaged 33/35,000. Point being, Cincinnati is not this big draw you are making them out to be. I'm not saying they are bad. I'm just saying it's very questionable of how big a draw Cincinnati actually is.
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Nippert added seating in 2015 to get to 40k, prior to that it was 35k capacity. So in '09/'10 when you looked up those averages, that would be pretty much averaging capacity.
 
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Nippert added seating in 2015 to get to 40k, prior to that it was 35k capacity. So in '09/'10 when you looked up those averages, that would be pretty much averaging capacity.
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And that's fine. But the problem is, there is nothing to indicate they would draw better than that otherwise. As I also pointed out, they only drew 28,000 in 2014. That was in the midst of a 9-4 season, which was preceded by seasons of 9-4, 10-3, and 10-3. It's pretty well established that Cincinnati has a fan base that delivers about ~30,000, give or take. My point is, other people are exaggerating Cincinnati's drawing power, because it's not that impressive, when compared to other schools.
 
topdecktiger said:
37,000 isn't anything to brag about. East Carolina averaged 43,000 last year. Army had 30,000. Central Florida had 30,000. Cincinnati also averaged 28,000 in 2014, so that 37,000 isn't a consistent figure. In fact, I looked it up, and in 2009/10, when they went to two BCS games, they averaged 33/35,000. Point being, Cincinnati is not this big draw you are making them out to be. I'm not saying they are bad. I'm just saying it's very questionable of how big a draw Cincinnati actually is.
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Well, if you looked it up you would see that their stadium only holds 40,000 now and only held 30,000 then. ECU holds 50,000. Cincinnati has also moved big games to Paul Brown because they knew 30,000 was not going to be enough, such as when WVU played there. The only sell out ECU had was when VT played there and it was only just. This was the year ECU went 10-3 and UC went 7-6 and UC sold out a higher percentage of its seats and had more standing room only games.

The BCS years that UC was averaging 33,000 and 35,000 - Nippert had an official capacity of 30,000.
 
Charleston Mountie said:
Well, if you looked it up you would see that their stadium only holds 40,000 now and only held 30,000 then. ECU holds 50,000. Cincinnati has also moved big games to Paul Brown because they knew 30,000 was not going to be enough, such as when WVU played there. The only sell out ECU had was when VT played there and it was only just. This was the year ECU went 10-3 and UC went 7-6 and UC sold out a higher percentage of its seats and had more standing room only games.

The BCS years that UC was averaging 33,000 and 35,000 - Nippert had an official capacity of 30,000.
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Actually, you are wrong. Nippert had an official seating capacity of 35,097 from 1992-2014. So obviously they weren't selling out may games either, since their attendance averages were usually below that. For example, 2014, when I pointed out they averaged only 28,000. But as usual, you ignore facts you don't like.
 
topdecktiger said:
And that's fine. But the problem is, there is nothing to indicate they would draw better than that otherwise. As I also pointed out, they only drew 28,000 in 2014. That was in the midst of a 9-4 season, which was preceded by seasons of 9-4, 10-3, and 10-3. It's pretty well established that Cincinnati has a fan base that delivers about ~30,000, give or take. My point is, other people are exaggerating Cincinnati's drawing power, because it's not that impressive, when compared to other schools.
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When your stadium has a capacity of 30,000 and you average 28,000 you are running at capacity. This is like VT or Pitt or just about anybody else in the ACC. Cincinnati counts butts through the turnstile not tickets sold. Those games were sell outs but not every ticket sold resulted in a butt in a seat. Pitt reports 50,000 all the time and you can crickets chirping and tarps flapping in the breeze. UC doesn't do that.
 
topdecktiger said:
Actually, you are wrong. Nippert had an official seating capacity of 35,097 from 1992-2014. So obviously they weren't selling out may games either, since their attendance averages were usually below that. For example, 2014, when I pointed out they averaged only 28,000. But as usual, you ignore facts you don't like.
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No, I just ignore you and your message, but there are some here that don't know you for what you are. That leads me to reply to your bullshit.
 
Charleston Mountie said:
When your stadium has a capacity of 30,000 and you average 28,000 you are running at capacity. This is like VT or Pitt or just about anybody else in the ACC. Cincinnati counts butts through the turnstile not tickets sold. Those games were sell outs but not every ticket sold resulted in a butt in a seat. Pitt reports 50,000 all the time and you can crickets chirping and tarps flapping in the breeze. UC doesn't do that.
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You don't know how Cincinnati reports ticket sales.

You are also wrong about capacity. I just posted that Nippert's capacity was 35,097 up to 2014. So no, that's not a sell out, and it's not running at capacity.

If Cincinnati could consistently draw 50-60,000, they would have a stadium that big. Whether it's on campus, off campus, the Bengals stadium or whatever, Cincinnati wouldn't leave that kind of money on the table year after year.
 
Charleston Mountie said:
You are falling into the failure of making emotional choices over business deals. I hope you do not practice this in your working life. Business is business and feelings are for Hallmark, never connect the two if you want to be successful in either, unless you bargain with prostitutes on a regular basis.

I can understand not wanting to alter our schedule. I recall when the Big East started and everyone raved over playing Miami every year. It got old fast and after a few years in the Big-12 Texas and Oklahoma are not the "events" they used to be - at least for me, especially we seem to have issues beating them.

You make another uninformed assertion that Cincinnati has no drawing power. Nippert Stadium has an official capacity of 40,000. It averaged 37,096 last season when the team played .500 ball all season with no hope of a ranking or decent standing in their conference. They ended up 7-6. They had three games that were standing room only and exceeded Nippert's seating capacity. Tell me, what game did WVU sell out this last season, when was the last time WVU sold out three in the same season AND was playing .500 ball? Be careful throwing rocks when you live in a glass house.

Have you tailgated at UC? Didn't think so, but you know all about it, right.

As for what college draws in Cincinnati, you need to just bow out on this topic as you are clueless.

Cincinnati is not my preferred pick but it is the best pick open to the Big-12. But, like Louisville is seen as "one that got away" all of the things you say about Cincinnati was said about Louisville before they got into the ACC.

Cincinnati is a solid choice for expansion.
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Lmao!! WVU's stadium holds 60,000. Did you ever take a math class? Adding crappy programs like Cincy is only going to delay the inevitable for the Big 12. It's a Big Leastesque move.
 
Rootmaster said:
Dead weight? I suppose when Ok or Tx defects around 2024 and the conference falls apart (because 10 stayed the magic number for the Big 12-2=10) then message board experts will be looking at WVU and saying..."dead weight." LOL...elitists have taken over the world. LOL x2.
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Because adding Cincy is going to stop OU or Texas from defecting. Did adding Cincy to the Big Least stop Pitt, Syracuse, UL or WVU from leaving?
 
topdecktiger said:
And that's fine. But the problem is, there is nothing to indicate they would draw better than that otherwise. As I also pointed out, they only drew 28,000 in 2014. That was in the midst of a 9-4 season, which was preceded by seasons of 9-4, 10-3, and 10-3. It's pretty well established that Cincinnati has a fan base that delivers about ~30,000, give or take. My point is, other people are exaggerating Cincinnati's drawing power, because it's not that impressive, when compared to other schools.
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There's plenty of evidence to show that UC draws better than 28,000--they drew 58,000 the last time they played Oklahoma in Cincinnati and 48,000 for WVU.

You can't compare a schools attendance vs. low level competition and then surmise that because a school didn't have tremendous attendance vs. some uninteresting competition that they would have the same attendance in a major conference. Cincy already proved they can have better attendance with more attractive opponents when a member of the Big East.
 
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