Does Judge Engoron's bias make you less likely to support Israel?
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If that judge is Jewish, so what? What about his religion contributed to the court ruling? How in the world can you lump all American Jews into your scenario? Consider the possibility that the court ruling has evidentiary support. If it doesn't, the appeals process will reverse it.
Have you criticized the religion of each of the jurors in the two defamation cases that held Trump liable? Or that judge?
Have you criticized the religion of any of the other judges and jurors who have ruled against Trump over the years?
Your bigotry is clouding your perspective. Your anti-semitism, through your posted and PM jokes, and your selective attack on this judge are beyond the pale.
As a gentile Zionist, I'm gonna say this idiots ruling is not representative of most Jews. Lot's of Jewish folks support Trump. He was the best friend Israel ever had in the White House. I suspect most will still vote left, but also believe he will get a greater percentage this time than in the past. Biden and his ilk have been a disaster for Israel not to mention Jews around the world.
Yes they will and that’s the shame. Dems love hajis
Bud, I support Israel and said so. This guy obviously is clueless on property values in WP beach. $20 mill for Mar a Lago? That’s obviously bias. Funny that you can only convict in obviously criminal areas like NY and DC
I was just asking a question. I support Israel and always have. Hope they wipe out Gaza and start over
Aren’t you an attorney? Who was harmed in that law suit? Certainly not the banks. It’s obviously a partisan ruling not backed up by the facts. Again, I’m pro Israel. Have said so many times. I’ve never understood why Jews support the party that hates their homeland.
Asking a Democrat to be rational is a stretch.
Perhaps we can have an intelligent discussion about this. Will you answer the questions i posed to you regarding the premise for your original post?
I am not interested in a back-and-forth about the court ruling; that's for the appellate courts to review. Why is the judge's religion a topic of concern to you?
I haven't had time tonight to finish it, but I've been going through that Judge's ruling trying to see where in the Law it's even rational let alone legal? I do plan to finish laying out what appears to be in my opinion at least suspect application of the Law if not straight up bias.
Not sure his Religion has anything to do with his ruling on the Law but his bias against Trump in my mind is unmistakable.
I find it comical that a professional lawyer won't comment on the ruling and instead leave it up to the appellate. It's pretty clear you know it is total horseshit but you are OK with it because you don't like Trump. That is sad from a supposed professional. You should be among the loudest screaming from the rooftops because the clowns are ruining your profession.
It was more of a didactic question than anything. I totally support Israel in their effort to gt rid of hamas. I just have inherent questions about why Jews support the very party that throws the party that supports Israel under the bus. Israel had no better friend than Trump and his efforts with SA and get a treaty that benefitted the area. Biden stopped it. It' obvious that this has no evidentiary evidence that supports this huge fine. You have to be delirious to think it does. No way to know jury make up but you wouldn't expect a fine or conviction if any of those suits were brought in a pro Trump state.
Glad i can bring some comedic relief into your life.
As a lawyer, i learned that just because i don't like a court judgment does not necessarily mean it's a "total horseshit" result. That is shallow, superficial thinking.
I did not listen to the testimony of all of the witnesses. I am not schooled in the intricacies of New York law. I have not read the transcript of all of the testimony of every witness, the oral argument of the lawyers on both sides, or reviewed every court pleading filed by bith sides, or reviewed all of the documentary evidence presented by both sides. Such efforts would be necessary for me to credibly opine as to the court ruling. That is what the appellate process will do.
You, obviously, are not bound by such considerations, and are willing to share your short-handed amalysis. I'm happy for you.
Well, the judge said before testimony that Trump was guilty. Not a good look. The law that got him on has never been used. The banks testified that he paid them back and would do business with him again.
You chastised me for questioning who gets paid as a result of that absurd ruling, and subsequently sent the entire 92 page court decision to me inviting me to find my answer in that caca filled document for myself. (thanks)
Well I read it, every page of it, and I'm in the process of providing for the board the most absurd aspects of it in my opinion. I understand you're not privy to all of the witness testimony (or exculpatory rebuttals) but that shouldn't excuse you from at least offering an opinion on the actual decision which you did claim you actually read. 🤔
I detect a bit of hypocrisy here, or at least the Golden Rule should apply to the advice you are offering.
I'll try to get through the rest of that nonsense this evening, or at least over the next few days. It's absurd even if it's a proper interpretation of the Law...which is a stretch to think it is.
Did you hear the NY governor say no one else had to worry about get prosecuted for doing the same thing ......if her comments on this case don't piss you off then you will be happy in this banana Republic.
She said that because the investor class is sending all sorts of signals that New York State is a bad place to invest (especially in real estate). She's covering her ass.
Right. I did listen to the witnesses and I did read up on the NY Law before I commented and I am not a lawyer but I am the one in the wrong here.
You are an embarrassment to your trade. I am not shocked. Usually the most ignorant are always the most smug and of course you never disappoint.
I just don't understand how any person can justify this in any way ...the literally prosecuted a person because of his political affiliation and his views..... literally said no one else but Trump could be prosecuted for this ..... WTF?
AND OUR MEDIA JUST SHUTS THE **** UP!
I do detect an air of conceit or at least quiet arrogance with him. I find it odd how he always finds reasons to critique what we who support Trump post on here, usually making some dismissive comment about us or suggesting how narrow minded we are in his opinion. Yet he rarely if ever critiques some of the absolute mind numbing banality that's posted daily here on the Left!
He's very dismissive of anything in support of Trump or in defense of how he's being characterized yet I've never heard him offer one word of the same criticism of the absolute most incompetent, addled brained, dishonest political hack ever to sit behind that big oak desk! For God's sake Biden has openly weaponized the DOJ in efforts to silence his main political rival, and that guy who boasts he's a Lawyer no less has been virtually silent criticizing any aspect of it! Zero credibility IMO.I don't think he's some Left wing loon, but he's certainly not as unbiased, objective or detached as he comes off. Not to me.
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It's outrageous @roadtrasheer! She's essentially admitting that was all pointed towards Trump! It's not only unjust, it may be politically motivated persecution! I wouldn't blame any New York CEO who makes the call to get his business the Hell out of the Empire State over this outrage! I don't think it's only about Trump, they'll do this to anyone who crosses them or interferes with the grip on power. Disgusting Leftists.
Wait until I finish reviewing the testimony of these so called "experts" who were just pulling numbers out of thin air in their attempts to claim Trump was undervaluing his properties. They ignored the market realities of New York real estate, as well as the very bankers who underwrote the loans prosecutors claim were being submitted with undervalued properties! It's just asinine.
It started out as only to get Trump.....since people are silent about it it will end up getting all those who disagree with those in power .... Democrats can't see this . But then again it was socialists democrats who fell for Hitler and his prosecution of political enemies.....
If you somehow listened to all of the testimony, reviewed all of the pleadings, reviewed all of the documentary evidence from both sides, listened to all of the oral arguments by both sets of lawyers, and learned New York law applicable to this case, then i sincerely congratulate you for being a good, civic-minded citizen, I am in awe for the immense amount of time you spent over the past several months on this during the trial, and i definitely respect your opinion on this matter.
I did not do all of that, and, thus, i will defer to the court system and the appellate process. Whatever the final decision is after all of the appeals, i will respect that, also.
It is unfortunate that my unwillingness to wildly speculate about matters i do not know upsets you so much.
Why is it speculation simply commenting on the Judge's ruling? It's right there for everyone to see, didn't you at least read that?
He isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is. OTOH...Soco and Cajuneer are both very smart. Soco can be pretty brutal but he is as smart as any lawyer out thereI do detect an air of conceit or at least quiet arrogance with him. I find it odd how he always finds reasons to critique what we who support Trump post on here, usually making some dismissive comment about us or suggesting how narrow minded we are in his opinion. Yet he rarely if ever critiques some of the absolute mind numbing banality that's posted daily here on the Left!
I don't think he's some Left wing loon, but he's certainly not as unbiased, objective or detached as he comes off. Not to me.
Yes true to both. They always back up what they offer as opinion, and generally are as respectful with other posters as those posters are with them. I don't detect any high brow arrogance or condescension from either of them towards other posters.
SoCo sometimes comes off as a little smug, but as I said he always is able to stand behind his thinking. Cajuneer is one of the best posters on here. I always learn something from him when he weighs in, particularly on Religious history.
Soco has forgotten more about the Constitution than most people know.
It's easy to tell he's very well informed because everything he offers in defense of his positions usually checks out. That's the mark of somebody who knows what he's talking about. As Ronald Reagan used to say "facts are stubborn things". Soco always stays rooted in the facts. A very smart poster.
You called me out and there was no jury trial. He valued mar a lago at 18-20 mill. Anybody who knows anything, knows it’s worth closer to a billion than 20 mill. Theres no victim, the banks testified that they were not harmed, but the judge still levied an onerous fine.
It was a ridiculous decision. Just the nerve to devalue not only his property but thousands of surrounding Floridians. They should sue the state of NY for the 20 billion or so in damages
This should absolutely happen. Sue him, her, and the state.
I could be wrong here but didn't he devalue the property for tax reasons then say it was worth more for loan reasons?
If you want to give your opinion based solely on your interpretation of the wording of the verdict, that's cool. Have at it. I just don't think that gives one the basis for a well thought-out and credible evaluation of the verdict.
I am not smart enough to give a credible opinion of the verdict without the benefit of hearing or reading all of the evidence. Simply put, i prefer to have an evidentiary basis for such an opinion. Facts matter in court cases, and i don't know all of the facts or the applicable law for this case. You and dave are comfortable expounding on the validity of the verdict without having the opportunity to hear, review and evaluate all of the evidence. That's some impressive ability, which i do not have. Not having the evdience, etc., at my fingertips to review, I will wait for the appellate process to play out, and respect and accept whatever the final decision is from the court system.
As to the misguided political jabs. No, i am not a Democrat. Grew up in GOP family, father held elective office, i worked in GOP leadership in local politics, and on some state issues. Got burned out on politicians. I have been disappointed in the presidencies of Biden, Trump and Obama. I shudder at the prospect of Harris becoming President (which possibility should be a major campaign issue as it is a major weakness for Biden). I would like a moderate, with Senatorial experience, who served in combat, who knows the need for a strong defense and who has seen the horrors of war.
Fair enough. I respect that attitude, especially from someone trained to examine only the facts. As I see them, the facts of this case are grossly distorted. I've been promising to comment on the testimony I read (which is all any of us know about the evidence) and I promise I will highlight the gross distortions I believe represent a serious miscalculation regarding the verdict and damages adjudicated.
In my opinion a less biased and more objective appellate court will easily overturn this verdict. I hope to lay out my reasons for believing that, based on the evidence presented during the trial. I'm just taking my time with it to make sure I understand the arguments plaintiffs used (which I honestly do not) as well the counterarguments, however I don't want to misrepresent either side in my commentary.
So I appreciate your explanation of where you sit on this, let's see how the appeals process turns out?
In my guesstimation a piece of property is worth whatever amount for which you can sell it.
That’s not what this is about. Much real estate isn’t really valued at what you could sell it for but less and taxes are paid on that. Hope Florida and residents sur that judge
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