about the way your recruiting for this year's class has been going. I realize "star" ratings aren't everything, but it seems the overall quality might be lower than in past years. Any thoughts? By the way, many Pitt fans, including me, will be rooting for the Mountaineers in your bowl game against Graham. Seems strange, doesn't it?
Curious about how you feel..
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Wow...someone cares how I feel !
Recruiting has been going pretty well for WVU. What seems strange is that you seemingly think otherwise....and that you're posting on this forum.
You kind of suck at trolling...and let's not pretend that wasn't your intention....
Recruiting has been going pretty well for WVU. What seems strange is that you seemingly think otherwise....and that you're posting on this forum.
You kind of suck at trolling...and let's not pretend that wasn't your intention....
Orlaco, now you're the type of WVU fan I've come to adore through all these years. I actually posted this just to get a dialogue going between sports fans, nothing more. I did however expect this type of reaction as WVU fans are indeed passionate about their team and ready to defend their territory when feeling slighted in any manner.
The recruiting is going about the same as it has for the past 15 years. The recruiting is one thing we have kept remarkably consistent through the last three coaches. Of course, we have people who bring opinions to the fact fight, on this matter, because our recruiting being almost identical under Rodriguez, Stew, and Dana doesn't quite fit their narrative...
pitt average "star ranking" = 3.10. WVU average is 2.8. Is it less than....yes, but is it significant.... doubtful.
It looks like Pitt will have a good recruiting class on paper. Will any of the WR's who have committed be able to make-up for the loss of Tyler Boyd, as he is likely to go to the NFL? That's a big loss for you guys.
The other concern for Pitt is that any decent coach that has been there, leaves for a better position quickly, due to the lack of fan, alumni, and administration interest in the program. How long do you think Narduzzi stays, one more season? Two?
The new receivers being recruited seem to have a lot of talent, but one never knows. Even Boyd surpassed our expectations his freshman year. Winfree may have the best opportunity to contribute big time next year as he has already had experience playing wr at Maryland as a true frehman. As for Narduzzi, I feel he will be at Pitt for a long time as Youngstown, Ohio is where he was raised. He still has family and friends there, and it appears those things matter a lot to him. Also, this administration seems very interested in raising the level for all Pitt athletics. Thanks for the questions.
As we've discovered, one never knows about young receivers, despite their star ratings. Boyd was certainly the real deal and is one of the most talented receivers I've seen in sometime.
Narduzzi appears to be a talented coach, but don't be surprised if he has consistent success at Pitt that a big name program picks him up. The Siren songs of money and fan support are irresistible to most college coaches. He'll be tough to hold.
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Only if you count those players that were recruited by RR and Stew that had no chance to get into school or were going to do time. Then it's even. RR's classes were inflated because you count kids that could never get into school.
Barrett and Deontay McManus will be catching passes from Childress and Rawlins...
Not in the last two years, that's when the first two years staff has been expunged. Not even close to being the same. Only a fool would argue that point.
You mean the guys who left to take jobs elsewhere, of their own volition? Only a fool would refer to that as the staff being "expunged". I guess if making things up makes you feel better, then keep it up...
The last two recruiting classes remain pretty much intact as far as getting into school. RR and Stewart's classes realtively less than 65% got into school. We even knew a lot of them going into the Feb signing date weren't going to be admitted into school. OK, expunged was the wrong word. The current staff has been in place for two recruiting cycles and it's important to get kids that are going to be admitted. Keno did articles eval RR and Stewarts classes. It was pretty eye opening if you really understand what was happening. RR's best class he had 33 in it, but we knew that roughly 12 weren't going to get in and then it ended up being about 16 total. It was that way throughout his tenure. You can't build long term depth if you can't get your recruits into school. Hell, one 4 star was going to jail and we still listed him as a recruit to bolster his class.
This is what always amazes me about pitt fans....losses, disappointing season and you could throw a rock and not hit a pittie for miles....New coach....decent season....suddennly from every rock and the depths of every swamp...and here they are. Which of course is here on this board. If it continues think they should all be moved to the Woodshed with the Moo'ers....Harry the Guru won't give the same welcome to WVU fans....
Perhaps, the last 2 classes were intact as far as "getting into school," but in terms of being on the roster, a comparison of the 2014 commit list to the 2015 roster shows 9 of the 22 listed 2014 commits are not on the 2015 roster.
I think pointing out the way attrition has affected recruiting is valid. Ignoring the fact we still have the same kind of attrition we had under Rod and Stew in a lame effort to claim Holgorsen's recruiting is better is invalid.
I think pointing out the way attrition has affected recruiting is valid. Ignoring the fact we still have the same kind of attrition we had under Rod and Stew in a lame effort to claim Holgorsen's recruiting is better is invalid.
Attrition happens but why not do your due diligence to check on grades to make sure that the guy has a chance to get in. If half your class gets in, you still have attrition after that. That's a lethal problem. Also, this staff goes to the JC route hard to try and fill deficiencies that attrition creates. I never thought that either RR or stew did this with as much emphasis. One thing to consider is that there's a lot more money now than back then and that could be a prime factor in the difference. There wouldn't be a discussion if Holgs had gotten a couple of decent QBs. That's one thing I can't argue and if you don't ahve a QB that's really lethal.
It's not a matter, for any of our coaches, of not having been aware of certain kids having issues which made them relatively high risk. It's a matter of believing that those kids had the potential to be significantly better than other kids whom we could get who didn't have red flags. Even Nehlen recruited kids who either failed to qualify or washed out because of academics or behavior without ever contributing. I do think Rodriguez and Stewart took chances with too large a proportion of the classes, whereas Nehlen took fewer and preferred to take more "lesser" physical specimens and put a lot of emphasis into developing players.
I do think we should take some chances. We're not an elite program and won't get many of the "sure things" on and off the field (quotes because no one is a sure thing, even Bama 5 stars don't all excel), but I agree we should be more judicious.
If we consistently have classes where 2 recruits become "stars," 6 become solid starters and another 4 become capable multi-year contributors, we will usually have good football teams.
A team doing that would usually have 16 or so junior and senior starters with a few excellent players in the mix, a few sophomore and freshman starters (who would be the ones most likely to become "stars") and enough quality depth.
If you have 36 legitimate power 5 players in your upper 3 classes and 3-4 RS and true frosh ready to contribute, depth is not your problem, except maybe occasionally at an isolated position or 2. You might, though have a problem due to a lack of elite players among them which can be the difference between being mediocre and very good. That's why our coaches all have taken chances.
"Depth" is one of the most misleading concepts used by coaches in explaining current problems. Teams don't lose games because they don't have 3rd stringers at most position ready to compete at a high level or even because they don't have 22 2nd stringers ready to compete. A lack of TALENT among the core of 35-40 who are going to play 95% of the meaningful snaps is obviously a far bigger factor. Using the talent to fullest advantage by developing talent, teaching technique and skills and coaching in devising gameplans and calling plays are all also much more important factors than the quality of the players standing on the sidelines during games.
I do think we should take some chances. We're not an elite program and won't get many of the "sure things" on and off the field (quotes because no one is a sure thing, even Bama 5 stars don't all excel), but I agree we should be more judicious.
If we consistently have classes where 2 recruits become "stars," 6 become solid starters and another 4 become capable multi-year contributors, we will usually have good football teams.
A team doing that would usually have 16 or so junior and senior starters with a few excellent players in the mix, a few sophomore and freshman starters (who would be the ones most likely to become "stars") and enough quality depth.
If you have 36 legitimate power 5 players in your upper 3 classes and 3-4 RS and true frosh ready to contribute, depth is not your problem, except maybe occasionally at an isolated position or 2. You might, though have a problem due to a lack of elite players among them which can be the difference between being mediocre and very good. That's why our coaches all have taken chances.
"Depth" is one of the most misleading concepts used by coaches in explaining current problems. Teams don't lose games because they don't have 3rd stringers at most position ready to compete at a high level or even because they don't have 22 2nd stringers ready to compete. A lack of TALENT among the core of 35-40 who are going to play 95% of the meaningful snaps is obviously a far bigger factor. Using the talent to fullest advantage by developing talent, teaching technique and skills and coaching in devising gameplans and calling plays are all also much more important factors than the quality of the players standing on the sidelines during games.
Truer words have never been said. That sentence is why we are suffering as a program right now. We are either not evaluating talent well at QB or we aren't developing that talent well. Same was definitely true on the OLine as well (ever since Tricket left really). It does look like that trend is starting to improve with Crook.
Dana's game planning has suffered due to the lack of an even above average QB (which is all we needed to win at least 2 more games this past season). We have as much talent at WR as we do at RB...but it don't matter when you need someone to throw the ball to them to make that position a consistent threat. Durante should have been a FR AA this year...drops or no drops.
It is like there is a turf war on our idiot board between juvenile Pitt trolls & 24/7 Marshall trolls with a very few low information fans along for the ride. Entertaining and nauseous at the same time. Post something positive about WVU and watch them go crazy. LOL.
I remember my 65 year old dad talking about Pitt being relevant when he was a young man...
They are the team that got man handled by Navy yesterday. Luckily there were no Pitt Fans there to see it.
I'm as happy for Navy winning as I am Pitt losing (well, almost) . I've been to games all over the country at bowls, neutral site RS games and on opposing turf and Navy fans were by far the best I have ever encountered. It wasn't just the absence of obnoxious a-holes where all the other teams have at least a few and some many, everyone I met in Annapolis fit the officer and gentleman cliché . It helps when virtually all of your fans are alums or their families and you have to be something to graduate. Navy will never be able to compete at the very highest level due to its standards, but it's cool to see the good guys do well .
It's one thing to take a chance, it's another to know that they can't get in.
I hope this year's class is better than last year's, which is looking worse by the day (Durante and Williams ineligible, Cole gone and then arrested before even getting on the field). I don't put any stock in star ratings. As Rich Rod famously said, "I've seen 5-star guys who couldn't play dead in a western." Face it, nobody has seen all of these kids often enough, and know enough about their mental makeup, to predict their future accurately. Recruiting ratings mean nothing at this point. If they did, then Notre Dame would win the national title every year.
