CSU documents provided to BIG12 for expansion
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Ft Collins is a nice, medium-size (150k) city. The CSU grads I have known and worked with seemed bright, competent, and down to earth.
Coming to a game at Ft Collins provides recreational opportunities before and after the game. In the fall, visit Rocky Mountain National Park and hear the elk bugle, go fishing in a world-class trout stream, climb a 14,000 ft peak, mountain bike, go drink local craft beer in one of the many brewpubs, and/or legally smoke pot.
In the winter, go skiing, snowshoeing, go to a casino and gamble, go drink local craft beer in one of the many brewpubs, and/or legally smoke pot.
They are one of some 32 schools that have done the same thing. The hope is to get into Denver market of course. I believe that if the conference is thinking westward at all...CSU is a sleeper replacement for all the BYU chatter. Of course, the best move would be to add four with giant media markets...CSU for Denver, Cincinnati for Ohio, CFU for Orlando, and UConn for NYC and New England. All would strengthen cable penetration...a growing concern for Fox Sports and ESPN as they bleed money.
Houston makes perfect sense. The Big 12 already has their market saturated...might as well put it completely under water. Maybe we can put a new Big 12 Network in the same households two or three times over.
Another school in Texas. Now that is a brilliant marketing idea!!! Wait why not SMU and North Texas too? I think you're on to something.
Pretty basic marketing material.
The President of Cincinnati was sending Christmas Cards to all the ACC and B12 University Presidents a couple years back.
I've held the belief that there are no exciting options left. CSU seems as good as any. At least it would be a fun away trip.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Iowa and Kansas as much as the next guy, but a man can only handle so much fun at once.
The President of Cincinnati was sending Christmas Cards to all the ACC and B12 University Presidents a couple years back.
I've held the belief that there are no exciting options left. CSU seems as good as any. At least it would be a fun away trip.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Iowa and Kansas as much as the next guy, but a man can only handle so much fun at once.
LOL. Well played.
If Houston is coming in, then WVU needs to get out.
Unless the B12 and WVU already have an arrangement where they will leave at the end of the GOR, the expansion will be East.
Otherwise this starts to look with CUSA 2.0
Houston best team out there to get. Not everyone in Texas is a Texas longhorn fan. Houston Cougars would be one of the top teams in the Big 12 right now if they were in it. I Do like BYU and Colorado State makes sense. Until WVU realizes that the Big 12 really does not care about them and expansion is really not coming east(I think maybe Florida at best) you guy will be disappointed. I think that South Florida and Houston are the top targets, followed by BYU and Colorado State. After that then you might get into the Memphis, Cincy, UCONN debate. If the Big 12 goes to 14 then I can see the shift East but if they stay at 12 I see Houston and South Florida. And do not give me this saturated market crap either. I am sure the SEC would take Clemson and Florida State right now
School Market Rank Population
Houston 5 6,313,158 Huge market but saturated with other Txs schools
Tampa/StPe(USF) 17 2,969,600 Growing but stadium issues etc
Denver(CSU) 19 2,814,330 Big 12 roots market but west not east
Orlando(UCF) 24 2,387,138 Growing, huge school, in the east
Cincinnati 26 2,267,846 Ohio and in the east
Memphis 41 1,341,766 SEC country but SEC country
Houston 5 6,313,158 Huge market but saturated with other Txs schools
Tampa/StPe(USF) 17 2,969,600 Growing but stadium issues etc
Denver(CSU) 19 2,814,330 Big 12 roots market but west not east
Orlando(UCF) 24 2,387,138 Growing, huge school, in the east
Cincinnati 26 2,267,846 Ohio and in the east
Memphis 41 1,341,766 SEC country but SEC country
This is a perfect example of someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Only stating what they think they know as fact. Want facts? Fact: Last season UT vs OU barely outdrew UH vs Temple. Fact 6 out of the top 10 games viewed were SEC games, not Big 12. Fact: if you actually look at the data the SEC owns the Houston market. You and anyone else who feel this way do yourself a favor, pull out one of those map thingys and look at where Houston is located and look real hard. Then ask yourself is Houston in the middle of Big12 country, or is Houston just in Texas which you would just automatically assume means the Big12 owns it? 6 million people in the Greater Houston are. You think the Big12 is on every football fans TV? Seriously? No reason to consider Houston? Seriously? I'm sorry I can't even...
This is a perfect example of someone who has no idea what they are talking about. Only stating what they think they know as fact. Want facts? Fact: Last season UT vs OU barely outdrew UH vs Temple. Fact 6 out of the top 10 games viewed were SEC games, not Big 12. Fact: if you actually look at the data the SEC owns the Houston market. You and anyone else who feel this way do yourself a favor, pull out one of those map thingys and look at where Houston is located and look real hard. Then ask yourself is Houston in the middle of Big12 country, or is Houston just in Texas which you would just automatically assume means the Big12 owns it? 6 million people in the Greater Houston are. You think the Big12 is on every football fans TV? Seriously? No reason to consider Houston? Seriously? I'm sorry I can't even...
The flaw in your analysis is that the Big 12 already gets paid for the Houston TV market. The number of extra viewers in the Houston market that would be picked up by adding UH would not be sufficient to increase the contract. That's the big issue.
ESPN's on the scene reporter at the meetings earlier this month stated that he had the distinct impression UCF and Cincy were the top two candidates based upon the studies presented. He interviewed several ADs as well as members of the consulting firm. We can predict all we like, but the reports will be public in a few days. Then we will all know who among us was close, way off, and maybe even spot on.
UCF has and continues to be the G5 program I think brings the most to the conference. 3 or 4 largest state, top 3 in recruits, and a huge and growing school where the alumni base will be exploding in size
I want UNLV. Another reason to visit Vegas is fine by me.
Houston has a nice airport with a restaurant that serves awesome baked potatoes....I never avoid a layover there - they're huge.
UCF feels too phoney. Strip mall college.
Houston has a nice airport with a restaurant that serves awesome baked potatoes....I never avoid a layover there - they're huge.
UCF feels too phoney. Strip mall college.
They have more political clout than the other candidates.
I'd make it simple and bribe everyone possible. Money's gotta exchange hands somewhere.
The only political clout - and this is a real reach - is playing the role of Texas' bitch in the way TT and TCU does. Texas holds sway over TT and TCU and those schools submit votes that fall into line with the wishes of the UT administration. If Houston were to be brought into the conference it could be as a "something for you and something for me deal." Boren gets his 12 teams and one of them is Cincinnati, who he wants and Texas votes for it along with TT and TCU but Texas gets Houston under its thumb.
In the future Texas than can count on 4 votes out of 12 to back their ideology and those 4 votes are enough to sink any plans that Texas does not like because 9 would be needed to make anything happen. I don't think that scenario is even remotely possible but Texas has an incredible ability of being shortsighted, backward and a bit befuddled when times call for clarity.
The sad thing is, that could actually happen. At least it would lock in Texas forever. You can't beat owning your own conference plus an extra $15 million per year. I just think ESPN would veto Houston for lack of the additional broadcast footprint Florida brings. That's a state with 20 million new potential viewers and perhaps the largest university in the country.
I'm talking about sway in the actual state legislature, and in regional politics and lobbying resources.
You're thinking like a fan.
Houston will fight for this and be loaded for bear.
I'm not predicting they'll get the invitation, just that they will bloody it up.
The state legislature is not invested in bringing Houston into the picture. There are high schools in Texas that have more pull with the state house than Houston does. Football in Texas is a mania and often it makes no sense why Texas holds certain opinions.
Houston is a useless addition for the Big-12 unless there was no Texas in the Big-12, then it might have some value.
The ignorance of some statements on this forum is astounding. Darth have you ever been outside of Cassville, WV? Really? UCF has nearly 61,000 students and a huge, diverse campus...think WVU times 2 1/2. Read this...you might sound less ignorant lol!
http://www.ucf.edu/
I've never heard of Cassville. Is that where you are from?
I know UCF is a large school. I guess size impresses you?
I've been to the campus and it felt soulless. Sorry to have struck nerve.
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So you're implying you have a good understanding of Texas state politics?
If you have inside knowledge, I'll concede to your expertise.
Darth. So you have been on a college campus? LOL Please explain soul less...so the rest of us can understand. BTW: If you would have ever been on the WVU campus, or remotely connected to WVU, you would know where Cassville is.LOL x2
My information on such things is likely out of date on details but having lived in San Antonio and Austin for a significant portion of my life and sticking my nose into places it did not belong I feel that I cam to understand the inner workings down that way to certain extent. I am not arrogant enough to think I know all of it or even a good slice of it, I know enough to know how much I don't know, but that amount has served me well in the past. I would not call it expertise, more like first hand experience.
Like I said, I've never heard of it. I Googled it and I guess it's near Morgantown. I never heard it mentioned when I was a student, but I'm much younger than you.
I apologize for striking a nerve. I didn't know you were such a UCF loyalist. I didn't mean to get you worked up. IMO, UCF is a soulless university, commuter feel....no real character. It's like Chipotle started a college. It's only been a college for a few decades so I guess that's to be expected.
I'd prefer the B12 didn't add directional universities but that's not my decision.
I assume you were born before UCF existed?
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