I don't think to many people are looking at the negatives that might come from this. You could form a better conference with meshing certain Big 12 schools with certain pac 12 schools. It would look more appealing than what the new look Big 12 will be and a Pac 12 with scraps from the mountain west.
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The left overs from the pac 12 won't have much options but the remaining 8 big 12 schools have no options. A mixture of Pac 12 and Big 12 schools would be a better conference than a new look Pac 12 and Big 12
Gotta give the Big 10 credit on this they really know how to put these deals together and keep them under wraps. It was like this when the added Maryland as well.
The powers that be are certainly pushing the SEC and Big Ten as the two "power" conferences. Even with that please explain how i.e. the Mississippi schools, South Carolina, Missouri, Kentucky, Vanderbilt--even schools like Tennessee and Florida fit in with the super earning so called "power schools"? What about Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Nebraska? Its really about 4 or five schools that are driving all this and they can't play just themselves. Wait til Texas and OU are having regular 7-5 or worse seasons each year. Think they'll be happy about that?
That said, the BIG 12 is not in a worse position than the PAC or ACC. The PAC just lost their only two relevant national brands (yeah, Oregon and its Nike money have tried to buy their way into that, but haven't really succeeded). They have paid out lower amounts than the BIG 12, have lower tv ratings than the BIG 12, and far less fan interest than the remaining and new BIG 12. No way to claim they are in a better position--especially since BIG 12 schools have significant time remaining in contracts as well as new media rights negotiations upcoming which are being said to be looking far better than the initial doom and gloom projections.
The ACC is going to lose schools too, right now no one is trying to get out of that GOR but its coming once the Big Ten announces the money and duration of their new agreements. What's an ACC with already low contracts going to look like without Clemson, FSU, etc.
The PAC is more likely to lose more schools going forward than the BIG 12 as well.
The BIG 12s expansion and revenue options are growing and with a new contract coming these changes could be significant.
That said, the BIG 12 is not in a worse position than the PAC or ACC. The PAC just lost their only two relevant national brands (yeah, Oregon and its Nike money have tried to buy their way into that, but haven't really succeeded). They have paid out lower amounts than the BIG 12, have lower tv ratings than the BIG 12, and far less fan interest than the remaining and new BIG 12. No way to claim they are in a better position--especially since BIG 12 schools have significant time remaining in contracts as well as new media rights negotiations upcoming which are being said to be looking far better than the initial doom and gloom projections.
The ACC is going to lose schools too, right now no one is trying to get out of that GOR but its coming once the Big Ten announces the money and duration of their new agreements. What's an ACC with already low contracts going to look like without Clemson, FSU, etc.
The PAC is more likely to lose more schools going forward than the BIG 12 as well.
The BIG 12s expansion and revenue options are growing and with a new contract coming these changes could be significant.
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Hello Dummy. Those schools mentioned just happen to be the lucky ones already in said power conferences.
ACC has loop hole in it's GOR. ESPN owns both ACC and SEC networks.
Loophole in ACC GOR. ESPN owns the ACC network as well as SEC network. What's to say the owner of said networks wants to work out a deal for FSU and Clemson to move to SEC.
It probably would have happened already. The problem with FSU and Clemson is they are in areas where the sec market is already saturated. The Sec isn't getting anything by adding them. When they took Texas they were able to corner the Texas Market by having the two top dogs in the fold. Oklahoma added another blue blood. I think if the acc didnt have the GOR in place the Big 10 would have snatched Fsu and Clemson up. I think this is where these two programs are more likely to land.
The Big 12 is in better shape than the Pac 12 because there are no more teams in the Big 12 that the Sec or Big 10 wants.
You seem to be forgetting Kansas. The Big 10 is the perfect fit and rumors have persisted for last year. Adding a blueblood in basketball with one of if not the largest basketball revenue in D1 is appealing.
SEC has several states with multiple teams. Florida and FSU - rivals, Clemson and South Carolina rivals, Alabama-Auburn Rivals, Ole Miss- Miss St. rivals, Tenn.-Vandy rivals
So WVU doesn't fit in any because of TV market. Rankings the past 5 seasons of the average number of viewers per week and also streaming numbers are included.
WVU ranked 30th.
If the Big 10 wanted Kansas they would have probably already taken them. Basketball is not driving the bus at the moment. It doesn't mean that they can't reconsider and take them at a later date. When the Kansas/Big 10 rumor's were circulating it was under the belief that the Big 10 wouldn't form a non contiguous conference. Now that they have added Usc/Ucla they have dispelled that notion. There are bigger fish available than Kansas with better markets.
Those teams were already existing members. Most of the expansion has been to new markets. The Sec has stated that they want to add schools in states that they don't have an existing footprint. Texas has been the only exception to date.
Wvu doesn't fit in period. Mountaineers don't move the needle unless it's down. Reality.
Never said anything about WVU going SEC. Reality is WVU #30 in TV market. Other than that they're drowning in the Big 12.
This is simply FALSE information as usual, from an anti WVU troll. If WVU "doesn't move the needle", then what do these ACTUAL TV RATINGS reveal about members already in the SEC or multiple other "power" programs from the Big Ten/ACC/PAC ?
SAMPLE of 2021 ratings:
- 29 Mississippi State (1.31M)
- 30 West Virginia (1.27M)
- 31 Virginia Tech (1.26M)
- 32 UCLA (1.25M)
- 33 Louisville (1.22M)
- 34 Indiana (1.17M)
- 35 Baylor (1.12M)
- 36 South Carolina (1.07M)
- 37 Navy (1.01M)
- 38 Texas Tech (921K)
- 39 Washington State (909K)
- 40 Northwestern (867K)
- 41 Utah (856K)
- 42 Army (825K)
- 43 Minnesota (803K)
- 44 Pittsburgh (781K)
- 45 North Carolina (749K)
- 46 Iowa State (747K)
- 47 California (730K)
- 48 BYU (714K)
- 49 NC State (703K)
- 50 Arizona State (695K)
- 51 Syracuse (694K)
- 52 Houston (689K)
- 53 Kansas State (682K)
- 54 Maryland (681K)
- 55 Purdue (620K)
- 56 Georgia Tech (615K)
- 57 Missouri (611K)
- 58 Colorado (610K)
- 59 Virginia (592K)
- 60 UCF (566K)
- 61 Memphis (564K)
- 62 Arizona (561K)
- 63 Kentucky (484K)
- 64 Boise State (476K)
- 65 Vanderbilt (438K)
- 66 Cincinnati (430K)
- 67 Duke (410K)
- 68 USF (407K)
- 69 Boston College (403K)
- 70 Illinois (401K)
- 71 Wake Forest (398K)
- 72 Temple (354K)
- 73 Kansas (346K)
- 74 Oregon State (295K)
- 75 Rutgers (266K)
The Big 10 will go to 20 teams. Waiting in Notre Dame to see if they join. If they do then the Big will go after Virginia UNC and Georgia Tech. If not then look for the BIG to get Oregon Washington and then Virginia and UNC. This will give the BIG major national brands and great academic schools. I do think that Georgia Tech is being considered that brings in the Atlanta market. The Big 10 is all about TV sets. They own the New York Chicago Philly and now LA tv markets add to that Detroit Milwaukee and Indianapolis Minneapolis at Paul. That’s a lot of TV sets. Also you know add the Southern California recruiting base. If they add Virginia and North Carolina that’s a lot of football and basketball talent
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You realize they wanted to join a Pac 12 with USC, UCLA, and what was going to be a bigger television deal in a more stable conference. All three of those things are no longer true. Oregon, and Washington already tendered applications to join the B1G. They were told no for now. The Pac 12 is very close to losing it's top 4 members. It's not a stable landing spot anymore.
If you get an invite and its not The Sec or Big 10 its not a stable landing spot.
Incoming commish Brett Yormark faces realignment, stability concerns as welcome gifts from Big 12
Realignment is not waiting for Yormark, whose Big 12 tenure begins Aug. 1
www.cbssports.com
This article states some of the fears that we have mentioned read the last part
What would be ironic is if the Pac 12, and ACC imploded while the Big 12 survived as a distant third option for all the leftovers. How big will these conferences get? Can we call them conferences anymore? It will be years when two teams in the same "conference" see each other now.
Certain teams from The Big 12 and Pac 12 could leave and form their own conference. Scroll down and see mutual destruction in article below
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...bility-concerns-as-welcome-gifts-from-big-12/
If both the PAC 12 and ACC implode, the Big 12 would be in position to try to pick the best of the ACC and PAC 12 scraps. However if there are too many equivalent scraps on the west and the east coasts, the possibility is that teams on the periphery of the Big 12 may be more tempted to join those scraps for a more favorable regional conference even if it is a lateral move in terms of power.
Honestly if both imploded at once, the Big 12 would be more likely the victim of the western teams leaving to make a conference with the PAC-12 remnant and the eastern teams leaving to make a conference with the ACC remnant.
That's probably what will ultimately happen, and likely good for WVU fans who want to play more regional teams. WVU could end up back where they belong, playing BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Va Tech, etc.
This is false. The BIG 12 does have "coveted" schools still, but they also have more valuable programs, better and larger fanbases, better tv ratings than nearly all the remaining PAC 12 schools.
Every team that is not in the Big 10 or Sec wants to be in those conferences. The current teams that are in the Big 12 are there because they have no place to go. If the Big 10 saw value in one of the remaining Big 12 teams they wouldn't have gone to the west coast to poach teams.
Or the BIG 12 can cherry pick some schools and move on.
wrong. Every school doesnt want to be in the B10 or SEC. They want media contracts and enough power to participate at the highest levels if they also make the same type of commitment. Besides you can only control what you can. Every school isnt going to be in just two conferences ever. Doesnt mean theyll just cease to exist.
The Pac 12 can also try and cherry pick schools from the Big 12 and move. Wrong every team not in the Big 10 or Sec is trying to get into either one if you haven't figured that out then you're hopeless
Every school isnt trying to get in the Sec or Big Ten, every school is trying to make sure they have a seat at the big boys table.
With multiple schools with one foot out the door in the PAC, and far lower media deals and poor broadcast windows and lack of fans and lack of competitiveness, the BIG 12 is far more stable and on a much better position to land as the #3 conference going forwards. Certainly far less likely BIg 12 schools would move over there than the other way around. Imagine we will know more this week.
I Think Fsu and Clemson are more likely to end up in the Big 10 then the Sec. There is a lot of sec teams that don't want FSU and Clemson.
FSU and Clemson are not in the AAU so the BIG 10 probably wont consider them for membership. UNc, UVA, Duke, G Tech are their ACC targets with Pitt having an outside shot.
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Well Notre Dame isn't a member of the AAU and its no secret that The Big 10 wants them.
