Bleak future for UConn
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Conference USA used to be the American pretty much.
They had a decent football, basketball and even baseball conference.
TCU recreated themselves through CUSA.
Some of those games vs Southern Miss and Louisville around 2002-2004 were great.
Plus Memphis vs Louisville basketball.
Louisville leaving and then TCU leaving hurt the conference.
TCU went to the Mountain West to play Utah and eventually Boise State pretty much killed the CUSA.
Southern Miss with Larry Fedora vs Houston with Kevin Sumlin in 2011 was probably their last great football game.
TCU leaving did not hurt CUSA. 32-16 [20 - 11]
2001 6-6 [4-3] 6th
2002 10-2 [6-2] 2nd
2003 11-2 [7-1] 2nd
2004 5-6 [3-5] 7th
1-2 in bowl games
They weren't there long enough to recreate themselves. They recreated themselves in the MWC. 77-7 [48-7] 6-1 in bowl games.
Louisville and Cincinnati leaving dented CUSA. Then South Florida finished it off. The creation of AAC turned CUSA into a middle school conference.
If TCU stayed they would have had a decent program to bring the floor up.
TCU left about the same time as Louisville.
TCU went to play Utah.
TCU has this narrative about their program.
Some truth and other lies...
TCU played Southern Miss in a huge game in 2003.
Like the Big East the CUSA used to get big Thursday and Friday games on ESPN.
When TCU and Louisville left the conference didn't have any school that could challenge for a BCS game until Houston in 2011.
As of right now....
CUSA is probably the lowest P5 conference.
The Sunbelt is superior.
Doesn't mean the CUSA cannot get back to having a couple of Top 25 teams.
UNT, Louisiana Tech and UAB were close to that point. Southern Miss has been there.
But no one has made that leap. UNT was close but they lost a tough game vs Louisiana Tech.
UNT has Ernie Kuehne behind them and has taken control of the conference.
He almost wrote a check to keep Graham Harrell as his OC.
He did prevent Seth Littrell from leaving but I think Littrell ends up at Oklahoma St in the next few years.
CUSA is probably the lowest P5 conference.
The Sunbelt is superior.
Doesn't mean the CUSA cannot get back to having a couple of Top 25 teams.
UNT, Louisiana Tech and UAB were close to that point. Southern Miss has been there.
But no one has made that leap. UNT was close but they lost a tough game vs Louisiana Tech.
UNT has Ernie Kuehne behind them and has taken control of the conference.
He almost wrote a check to keep Graham Harrell as his OC.
He did prevent Seth Littrell from leaving but I think Littrell ends up at Oklahoma St in the next few years.
CUSA P5 ----
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CUSA is nothing more than a breeding conference for AAC. CUSA is the weakest conference in football and basketball.
Even I make mistakes...
Should be Group of 5 or G5.
MAC is up there.
But Western Michigan made the MAC look good.
CUSA for the most part has fell to the bottom because of football, basketball and Rice baseball.
I would put the Sunbelt in front of them.
The East side of the Sunbelt is rough.
Georgia Southern, Troy and Ap State.
The Sunbelt schools should play the CUSA schools.
Only one that has a current rivarly going is UTSA and the school formally known as SWT
ULM and La Tech should play.
UAB needs to play Troy.
Should be Group of 5 or G5.
MAC is up there.
But Western Michigan made the MAC look good.
CUSA for the most part has fell to the bottom because of football, basketball and Rice baseball.
I would put the Sunbelt in front of them.
The East side of the Sunbelt is rough.
Georgia Southern, Troy and Ap State.
The Sunbelt schools should play the CUSA schools.
Only one that has a current rivarly going is UTSA and the school formally known as SWT
ULM and La Tech should play.
UAB needs to play Troy.
Conference USA has been the breeding ground for some of the top teams in the nation since its inception in 1995, only two of the original schools that developed the league remain: UAB and Southern Miss. The 14-team league contains nine teams that joined after 2013, with another plucking looming in the balance.
The original makeup included Cincinnati, DePaul, Louisville, Houston, Marquette, Memphis, South Florida, Saint Louis and Tulane.
The league was strong as ever, with powers representing both basketball and football. That was until the American Athletic Conference formed in 2013 and pilfered CUSA to near extinction.
Gone are the days of CUSA receiving multiple bids to the NCAA tournament, as it did during the late 90s and early 2000s. Now, most years, the automatic bid awarded to the conference tournament winner is the only way into the Dance.
If for some reason Big 12 decides to add 2 or 4 schools some will surely come from AAC. This will mean once again CUSA will be picked apart by higher G5 conference.
The original makeup included Cincinnati, DePaul, Louisville, Houston, Marquette, Memphis, South Florida, Saint Louis and Tulane.
The league was strong as ever, with powers representing both basketball and football. That was until the American Athletic Conference formed in 2013 and pilfered CUSA to near extinction.
Gone are the days of CUSA receiving multiple bids to the NCAA tournament, as it did during the late 90s and early 2000s. Now, most years, the automatic bid awarded to the conference tournament winner is the only way into the Dance.
If for some reason Big 12 decides to add 2 or 4 schools some will surely come from AAC. This will mean once again CUSA will be picked apart by higher G5 conference.
Conference usa was strong until realignment 2005. Five C-USA members departed for the Big East, including three football-playing schools (Cincinnati, Louisville, and S. Florida) and two non-football schools (DePaul and Marquette both joined the New Big East in 2013)
In the 2013 realignment when the Big East split and the American was formed after Louisville, Notre Dame went to the ACC, C-USA was further weakened when Memphis, Houston, central florida and smu went to the american
In the 2013 realignment when the Big East split and the American was formed after Louisville, Notre Dame went to the ACC, C-USA was further weakened when Memphis, Houston, central florida and smu went to the american
Boston College DID want SU and Pitt and not WVU and Pitt. They've stated that as much repeatedly. They wanted the SU-BC rivalry. Felt they had no rivalry with WVU
I'm late to this conversation but........ This is wrong. Cuse, BC and Criami were the first 3 choices for the ACC. All wanted to move. Criami because of FB. BC because of the alumni in the FL area and Cuse because of BB.
Then the UVA contingent vetoed Cuse in favor of VT. Threatened to pull out and had block votes of a few others. Cuse was left in the dust but was picked up in the second wave of pilfering of the BE when Pitt and Cuse (then Lvlle) were added.
Had the BE muckety mucks listened to Criami when they wanted to split BB and FB and add more FB teams to make a total sports conference the split would never have happened. Those jackwads at the top of the BE ruined the conference because they followed the Pied Piper Gavsitt then Tranghassole over the cliff.
I don’t think there was anything in hindsight that could have saved the BE. Football money train was just starting to pick up steam and ESPN at the time was the only player and they were telling everyone involved they would give more money for X Y and Z moves, and a proactive 12 team Big East with UC, UL, UConn and USF would not have saved it from the raid and they didn’t have the clout to raid another power conference.
Even if we go all the way back to the original rumored Joe Pa conference, I still think the B1G and ACC would have eventually picked off who they wanted.
Thanks for the re-education. I had forgotten this.
Does anyone believe that the Governor had failed at getting VT in the mix would VT been a partner with WVU to the Big 12?
The Big East only cared about basketball.
Much of that could have been avoided had the BE gave a 'sh1t or get off the pot" memo to Notre Dame.
VT would have been added to the ACC in the second round of expansion and where we are now with conference alignment would be how it ended up IMO. If anything VT could have added a variable that screwed WVU out of a seat at the table. Let’s say VT jumped to the Big XII to ensure their safety before WVU and the ACC instead of taking WVU as the final member they add UConn instead.
VA Tech would have went to the SEC.
The SEC is targeting Charlotte.
Even has Charlotte has one of their cities they may host SEC Football Media Days.
In a dream scenario the SEC ends up with UNC and UVA.
Neither will jump so it will be Va Tech and NC State.
If Virginia Tech was still out there Missouri might have taken the B1G's offer.
Mizzou told the B1G no to half revenue because the SEC was interested.
The SEC is targeting Charlotte.
Even has Charlotte has one of their cities they may host SEC Football Media Days.
In a dream scenario the SEC ends up with UNC and UVA.
Neither will jump so it will be Va Tech and NC State.
If Virginia Tech was still out there Missouri might have taken the B1G's offer.
Mizzou told the B1G no to half revenue because the SEC was interested.
B1G told Missouri no. Then they scrambled at the last minute to go SEC and prayed they could get in.
But why?
It was an issue about revenue.
Nebraska was willing to take 50% revenue.
Missouri demanded 100%.
B1G already controls the St Louis/Downstate Illinois TV market.
It was only gaining KC and CoMo.
Still better than Lincoln because even without Nebraska the B1G controlled Omaha.
Missouri was already getting calls from the SEC.
If that wasn't the case Mizzou could have jumped to the B1G.
What is important is that the SEC would have brought in VA Tech.
They still want VA Tech if they can't get UVA.
The SEC narrative is that NC State and VA Tech are better cultural fits than UNC/UVA
VA Tech's move if the ACC sticks together could ultimately screw them
Unless of course all the Northeast becomes College Sports fans.
I doubt it. I think the ACC will survive.
So VA Tech is stuck making less revenue.
If they stayed in the BE the SEC would have called them in 2010
Unless of course all the Northeast becomes College Sports fans.
I doubt it. I think the ACC will survive.
So VA Tech is stuck making less revenue.
If they stayed in the BE the SEC would have called them in 2010
All I know is the Big XII is only getting stronger by staying 10 teams. AND WVU belongs in the Big XII. It is the perfect fit for us and our fan base. We ARE the Wild, Wild West.
Big XII needs to stand strong at 10 teams and keep beating the drum about everybody plays everybody. Strength of in conference scheduling. It is really helping the Conference reputation
Big XII needs to stand strong at 10 teams and keep beating the drum about everybody plays everybody. Strength of in conference scheduling. It is really helping the Conference reputation
West Virginia is in a win win situation.
Big 12 stays together because West Virginia has success in all sports.
Particularly Football.
More teams in the Big 12 that win More people watch the games.
Pretty much meaning WV can bring a huge auidence when they play Texas and Oklahoma.
When not they have ratings like they did against Oklahoma State.
Big 12 falls apart.
WV is considered a winning brand who brings something to the table.
I wouldn't say the Big 12 will stay together for sure.
But the teams with the most to lose if not.
Like Iowa St, Baylor and WV.
Could keep the conference together if they win.
Big 12 stays together because West Virginia has success in all sports.
Particularly Football.
More teams in the Big 12 that win More people watch the games.
Pretty much meaning WV can bring a huge auidence when they play Texas and Oklahoma.
When not they have ratings like they did against Oklahoma State.
Big 12 falls apart.
WV is considered a winning brand who brings something to the table.
I wouldn't say the Big 12 will stay together for sure.
But the teams with the most to lose if not.
Like Iowa St, Baylor and WV.
Could keep the conference together if they win.
VT will not be allowed to go to the SEC because it will be viewed as harming the ACC and thus damaging UVA. The binding GOR through 2034 the ACC has in place will also keep defections at bay. VT has no desire to leave the SEC as they can be guaranteed a seat at the table in a less formidable ACC football conference, and VT brass believe the ACC Network will grow into what the B10 and SEC have.
The question was what if VT never forced their way into the ACC
Like I said that move was short term because if they stayed in the Big East they would have jumped to the SEC.
The rest of your statements...
Who knows.
Like I said that move was short term because if they stayed in the Big East they would have jumped to the SEC.
The rest of your statements...
Who knows.
Untrue...
SEC contacted a few schools in the ACC between 2009-2011.
Including VA Tech.
Like I have said the way they forced their way into the ACC came back to bite them in the ass.
Ultimately the SEC wants to be able to lock down Texas without UT and move into N Carolina and Virginia.
NC State and VA Tech are their 15th and 16th schools.
The SEC actually wants the Big 12 to survive.
Problem for the SEC is ESPN. ESPN wants the ACC to stay strong so they can profit off their network.
Don't allow emotions to dictate your post.
Paul Finebaum even says it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sa...-strongest-candidate-to-join-sec-in-2012/amp/
Virginia Tech was the SEC’s top choice during conference expansion, at least according to Paul Finebaum.
During an interview with Greg Burton on his radio show Hardly Workin’ on ESPN950, the SEC pundit discussed how serious a candidate Virginia Tech was to joining the conference during conference realignment.
“Virginia Tech I think was probably the strongest candidate,” said Finebaum.
In 2012, the ACC’s new television deal began disscussions to whether schools would leave for other conferences. Maryland left for the Big Ten and Florida State openly considered a move to the Big 12. Among the talks surrounding realignment was the rumor that Virginia Tech was said to be a target for the SEC.
Rumors of the Hokies interest had been circulating since the beginning of the conference realignment frenzy of 2010-13, but the talks seemed more serious as the ACC’s position became weaker. Despite Virginia Tech athletic director Jim Weaver stating his school’s support of the ACC, the SEC still felt that the Hokies were the best addition for their conference.
“It was a good fit,” said Finebaum. “The fanbase was rabid, the football seemed to fit the SEC.”
The addition of Virginia Tech would have seemingly opened a pipeline into the talented recruiting grounds of southern Virginia, as well as bring in the Washington, D.C. television market. However, the jump to the SEC was never made and Virginia Tech remained a member of the ACC, while the SEC added Texas A&M and Missouri.
This is what makes the next 5 years interesting.
Some schools and conferences have competing agendas but they also have things they agree on.
As a whole both the SEC and Big 12 want the ACC gone.
Keeps the Big 12 together for the SEC.
If the Big 12 falls a part the SEC is backed in a corner.
If the ACC falls a part then the SEC gets schools that the Big 12 doesn't want and will pass up Clemson and Florida State.
Clemson, Florida St, Oklahoma and Texas in a conference together is stronger than the SEC IMO.
Some schools and conferences have competing agendas but they also have things they agree on.
As a whole both the SEC and Big 12 want the ACC gone.
Keeps the Big 12 together for the SEC.
If the Big 12 falls a part the SEC is backed in a corner.
If the ACC falls a part then the SEC gets schools that the Big 12 doesn't want and will pass up Clemson and Florida State.
Clemson, Florida St, Oklahoma and Texas in a conference together is stronger than the SEC IMO.
There is no emotion involved. I know Tech better than you know who TCU badminton coach is.
Article was 2012 not 2002. Get a clue. Here's the comment after said statement about VT going... from writer of the article...Jason Hall ...(at least according to Paul Finebaum.)
Among the talks surrounding realignment was the rumor that Virginia Tech was said to be a target for the SEC. Rumors of the Hokies interest had been circulating.
Fine-bumm is clueless.
Fine-bumm made a statement guess aka comment.
The jump would never have occurred.
Learn to read not just google.
Post as yourself Keaton and quit being a fraud Texas fan.
Article was 2012 not 2002. Get a clue. Here's the comment after said statement about VT going... from writer of the article...Jason Hall ...(at least according to Paul Finebaum.)
Among the talks surrounding realignment was the rumor that Virginia Tech was said to be a target for the SEC. Rumors of the Hokies interest had been circulating.
Fine-bumm is clueless.
Fine-bumm made a statement guess aka comment.
The jump would never have occurred.
Learn to read not just google.
Post as yourself Keaton and quit being a fraud Texas fan.
Where do people get hat VT brings the DC T market? There are literally 14 FBS schools, including WVU, closer to DC than Blacksburg. They have some alumni there, sure, but so does about 150 other schools.
Because of cable television.
Why I have the SEC network.
Va Tech in the SEC means their network gets put in all of those houses if...
It has demand.
Some networks don't like the PAC 12 because it is a stand alone channel.
ESPN will negotiate with the local cable companies and get their channel on the air.
Problem with the Northeast.
Especially in upstate NY and New England.
There are a lot of mom and pop cable companies.
Maryland is the DC market. This tiny Texas boy wants to make you think Tech is somebody.
Sometimes you have to just accept reality.
Once reality is accepted you can change reality much better.
Living off in LA LA Land doesn't change anything except how YOU view the world
Where you can be correct...
Is if more and more people cut the cord.
Cable channels for the most part make money based on # of households.
Even if the people in DC don't watch the SEC network the SEC still has those households.
But...
If people pay for things like Sling TV.
The SEC network isn't forced down their throat like it is with Comcast, Direct TV or Verizon FIOS.
Is if more and more people cut the cord.
Cable channels for the most part make money based on # of households.
Even if the people in DC don't watch the SEC network the SEC still has those households.
But...
If people pay for things like Sling TV.
The SEC network isn't forced down their throat like it is with Comcast, Direct TV or Verizon FIOS.
Not trying to pick a silly fight as I generally don’t care, but again there are 14 other FBS schools geographically closer to DC than Blacksburg, including UVA. There are 4 D1 basketball schools just in DC, not including the dozens of other surrounding D1 Basketball programs closer to DC than VT. Literally about 30-40 D1 programs closer to DC than VT.
I just don’t get How people think VT brings the DC market? I would be more open to the idea that they deliver the Richmond and Tidewater market areas, though UVA fans would argue that.
For argument”s sake, WVU’s largest transplant population of alumni and former WV residents is in Charlotte. That doesnt mean WVU brings the Charlotte market. Pretty sure they have cable tv there, too.
I have the SEC and B10 network on my cable package. Don’t need Alabama in West Virginia to get the SEC network. For that matter, WVU does more to bring the Pittsburgh market than VT does to bring the DC market. And Morgantown is actually listed as Part of the Pittsburgh TV market.
https://www.thevab.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2017-2018-TV-DMA-Map.pdf
DC residents are not going to pay premium cable prices for the SEC Network because of VT just so it can be carried in basic packages. They might do it because of the SEC, itself, but not in anyway because of VT.
