Big 12 Football over/under win totals

[The Dapper Don]

I’m glad to admit I cheered against Neal. Guy was a dud. Glad we sent his ass packing.

 

[backcountry mounty]

Oh that happened. There were segments hoping, talking and rooting for WVU to lose to assure that Brown was gone. By about halftime of the PSU game there were fans that turned from guarded optimism to openly rooting against WVU. IMO apathy was passed about 2 seasons prior.

I reckon. I heard it too but as soon as he won a game, people came back around until the end when the losses on defense were excruciating. Seems thats the way it's always been in both major sports with every coach. Problem with Brown was we let it go on too long.

Everyone was on board post UNC and pre Penn State and he blew that in every way possible

Difference is hate for Rich is real hate. It's personal, by God.

 

[backcountry mounty]

Oh yeah - openly. I personally know a couple of WVU "fans" who were openly rooting against us...because they just hated Neal Brown so damn much. It's calmed down here a bit on the Blue Lot since he was canned, but my goodness the dislike for Neal Brown on here was right up there with Marvin Graves, Kellen Winslow Jr., and dare I say, Tremain Mack. There were those on this board who were downright salty after we beat UCF this past season. Water under the bridge.

But, folks have their issues with Rich, I'm one of them. Thought he was a complete idiot in 2007. But, he's the coach now. So, let's Spot the Ball and get it done.

I said it when he was hired, and I'll reiterate it now...all he needs to do is win. He wins, he'll shut up all the detractors really quickly.

I know what you are saying and you are right but wasn't it about the same for Stewart and Dana? Even Nehlen. I mean it's always been that way at the end here, especially when it goes on too long like we usually do.

 

[eer2000]

I know what you are saying and you are right but wasn't it about the same for Stewart and Dana? Even Nehlen. I mean it's always been that way at the end here, especially when it goes on too long like we usually do.

The Hate-Meter for our football HCs at the end of the tenure would go:

1. Rich (after a certain loss + his Michigan presser)
2. Neal Brown
3. Stew (the loss at UConn was the final straw, and not even beating Pitt 35-10 in Pittsburgh could save him)
4. Dana (I'd say our fans were just tired of the routine with him.)
5. Nehlen (The "Nehlen Must Go" banner flying was a particular low point)

But, yep - there was definitely a lot of vitriol around all 5.

 

[backcountry mounty]

The Hate-Meter for our football HCs at the end of the tenure would go:

1. Rich (after a certain loss + his Michigan presser)
2. Neal Brown
3. Stew (the loss at UConn was the final straw, and not even beating Pitt 35-10 in Pittsburgh could save him)
4. Dana (I'd say our fans were just tired of the routine with him.)
5. Nehlen (The "Nehlen Must Go" banner flying was a particular low point)

But, yep - there was definitely a lot of vitriol around all 5.

I don’t know bro. If I have to hear the Brown "he's a good man" schtik again, I think I'll barf. This fanbase was about as nasty as it can get at the end of Stewart. It was bad

 

[WvuStudent]

The Hate-Meter for our football HCs at the end of the tenure would go:

1. Rich (after a certain loss + his Michigan presser)
2. Neal Brown
3. Stew (the loss at UConn was the final straw, and not even beating Pitt 35-10 in Pittsburgh could save him)
4. Dana (I'd say our fans were just tired of the routine with him.)
5. Nehlen (The "Nehlen Must Go" banner flying was a particular low point)

But, yep - there was definitely a lot of vitriol around all 5.

Is there a single football or basketball coach that a significant part of the fan base doesn't hate? I can't think of one

 

[backcountry mounty]

Is there a single football or basketball coach that a significant part of the fan base doesn't hate? I can't think of one

I can't either. Huggins and Dana gave us off the field/court sticks to beat their asses with so that was kind of different.. Remember the hatred for Beilein's wife when they left? Nasty.

Our fanbase is a true tribute to the old addage, familiarity breeds contempt.

I tell you a surprising one was Cignetti. As bad as those squads were people seemed to still genuinely like Cignetti. It was more feeling sorry for him. If he had fielded those teams today, he would have been publicly tarred and feathered. Cignetti was a great guy but I still think the way Bowden left had something to do with that.

 

[AnthonyKrumpach]

The pitchforks will be out with the first loss

You lose to Robert Morris and they should.

Now there might not be a bigger Rod hater than myself. IMO he has made some poor roster decisions selling off future development for the possibility of more wins now. Unfortunately that was one of my biggest issues with bringing him in. He is 62 (I think), he is in win now mode and frankly we aren’t anywhere near there yet. My biggest fear is he comes in, tears apart the roster, then bring in “his guys” and is average, at best, with a roster of players who really don’t fit anyone else’s schemes. In today’s collegiate landscape it is win now for us but if Rod fails we are on the outside looking in AND there will be no time for someone to turn it around. There is everything on the line in this redemption story.

Still I understand those who expect Rod to win now but even with my concerns he should still be allotted the time to rebuild BUT as Don Nehlen said, lose to Bowling Green and you won’t see Sunday.

 

[Mr. Kruger]

Did that happen? I heard people say that but I don't believe it in the end . I saw it more as apathetic in nature. No one cared and Brown never did anything to help himself. Over and over and over.

Rich? Now there's some real hate there. 20 years of festered, pent up, good old fashioned hate. No one will ever convince me there wasn't a better candidate that was attainable at that time last fall. Say it again. Lucky we got him.

Were there other power 4 schools interested in rich?

 

[roopoo]

You lose to Robert Morris and they should.

Now there might not be a bigger Rod hater than myself. IMO he has made some poor roster decisions selling off future development for the possibility of more wins now. Unfortunately that was one of my biggest issues with bringing him in. He is 62 (I think), he is in win now mode and frankly we aren’t anywhere near there yet. My biggest fear is he comes in, tears apart the roster, then bring in “his guys” and is average, at best, with a roster of players who really don’t fit anyone else’s schemes. In today’s collegiate landscape it is win now for us but if Rod fails we are on the outside looking in AND there will be no time for someone to turn it around. There is everything on the line in this redemption story.

Still I understand those who expect Rod to win now but even with my concerns he should still be allotted the time to rebuild BUT as Don Nehlen said, lose to Bowling Green and you won’t see Sunday.

It's a tough spot, the last 10 years has placed the program on the wrong side of relevance. Being average, slightly above, or below at this point pretty much cements the program as having zero chance at the table when the last alignment starts. There isn't any misses on this now.

 

[AnthonyKrumpach]

It's a tough spot, the last 10 years has placed the program on the wrong side of relevance. Being average, slightly above, or below at this point pretty much cements the program as having zero chance at the table when the last alignment starts. There isn't any misses on this now.

Nope and to be honest, it probably won’t be Rich’s fault.

 

[backcountry mounty]

You lose to Robert Morris and they should.

Now there might not be a bigger Rod hater than myself. IMO he has made some poor roster decisions selling off future development for the possibility of more wins now. Unfortunately that was one of my biggest issues with bringing him in. He is 62 (I think), he is in win now mode and frankly we aren’t anywhere near there yet. My biggest fear is he comes in, tears apart the roster, then bring in “his guys” and is average, at best, with a roster of players who really don’t fit anyone else’s schemes. In today’s collegiate landscape it is win now for us but if Rod fails we are on the outside looking in AND there will be no time for someone to turn it around. There is everything on the line in this redemption story.

Still I understand those who expect Rod to win now but even with my concerns he should still be allotted the time to rebuild BUT as Don Nehlen said, lose to Bowling Green and you won’t see Sunday.

Fair enough.

I think the league and schedule,as a whole, is much more doable now. Home field advantage should be a thing again and this league isn't loaded with solid coaching as it once was. I fully expect to get three wins on grit, scheme and simply being in better shape, physically and mentally than the opposition.

This staff is night and day from the old staff and that was always good for six wins in a tougher conference. Not you Anthony but I think many's personal perception cloud what he does as a football Coach

Jmo.

 

[backcountry mounty]

Were there other power 4 schools interested in rich?

I know you are f'n with me but I'll play.

Absolutely not. How many power 4 programs were looking for coaches at that time? What was left? Purdue?

I'm trying to tell you dude. The pool is dry. We got lucky.

Do you think he'd be up for the Tech job this year when it comes open?

Here are your hires as of mid December. I'd take Rodriguez over anyone besides maybe Bronco and he isn't a fit here.

Grades for every FBS hire during the 2024 college football coaching carousel

It's been a relatively slow year for the coaching carousel, at least at the Power Four level.

collegesportswire.usatoday.com

 

[Tnmounty]

Yep. People better temper their expectations for this first year under Rich. Getting to .500 will be an accomplishment. Neal Bean left the cupboard bare. We’ve turned the roster over. Has to be difficult to implement a new offensive and defensive scheme when you are bringing in so many new guys. Plus the culture has changed from soft and slow to fast and hard nosed.

The cupbard bear doesn't work anymore....the portal sees to that. To many examples of the near total rebuild!

 

[pressvirginia]

Trading bean for Rich Rod was probably the biggest no brainer in school history that they did their best to unravel as well. The only other more obvious move was hiring Huggins, also a retread that worked out pretty good.

Rich will be fine as soon as he gets decent QB play. It's as simple as that. Our success lies with Marchiol or the TX AM kid stepping up.

I'm glad he had the opportunity to cut guys and go hand pick his guys. Had he been forced to coach beans team, then yeah you're looking at five wins.

 

[backcountry mounty]

Trading bean for Rich Rod was probably the biggest no brainer in school history that they did their best to unravel as well. The only other more obvious move was hiring Huggins, also a retread that worked out pretty good.

Rich will be fine as soon as he gets decent QB play. It's as simple as that. Our success lies with Marchiol or the TX AM kid stepping up.

I'm glad he had the opportunity to cut guys and go hand pick his guys. Had he been forced to coach beans team, then yeah you're looking at five wins.

I hope Bicknell can do what is needed. I think he is solid but I have my concerns. That offense is going to go how the offensive line goes. We can win with a serviceable QB I'm very happy we brought in Dressler as the long term guy.

If Trickett was ten years younger, I think we are playing for a conference championship in 3 years. Hopefully we still can.

 

[43rd Parallel]

I think Arizona St. was picked last in '24 so there is always hope for more.

And in 2023, WVU was picked last and finished 6-3 in the league, tied for fourth. Big 12 preseason predictions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

 

[Orlaco]

Were there other power 4 schools interested in rich?

Were there P4 head coaches (or high quality coordinators) interested in WVU?

We know that answer (too).

 

[Orlaco]

And in 2023, WVU was picked last and finished 6-3 in the league, tied for fourth. Big 12 preseason predictions aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

People still print on paper?

 

[polar80]

Curious how many will secretly root against WVU just to justify their hate for Rich. It’s going to be a sad dilemma for a lot of folks.

I'm not excited, nor agree with Richy returning, but would/will never and have never rooted against WVU. Just can't and won't.

 

[NCDawg]

Yep and basketball is 100%. That has to stop. Admittedly, both could have kept more players.

basketball is 100% basically two years in a row which is insane (and we weren't exactly stable at tail end of Huggs' tenure)

 

[polar80]

basketball is 100% basically two years in a row which is insane (and we weren't exactly stable at tail end of Huggs' tenure)

We can’t, just can't turn over coaching staff, this often. Not that we had any choice. Hopefully, Hodges is here for at least 4-5 years or longer(if successful).

 

[Cavaleer]

Curious how many will secretly root against WVU just to justify their hate for Rich. It’s going to be a sad dilemma for a lot of folks.

I’m not a fan of RR but I’m rooting my ass off for the Mountaineers. Having said that, every other football related post over the last 3-4 years said the portal allows a team to turn things completely around in one year. That is my expectation and anything less than contending for a Big XII championship in November will be a failure.

 

[Cavaleer]

Good list. I might debate flipping 3 and 4 but you pretty much nailed it