Big 12 atop the heap again. Big 10, SEC suck!

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Big 12, by far the most dominant conference in America during the regular season, after a tumultuous 3 rounds in March Madness, is back to being dominant:

1. Highest seed left in Elite Eight in 2 seed Texas, which decimated 3 seed Xavier of the Big East in the Sweet Sixteen.
2. Most amazing player so far in March Madness in 5-8, 150-pound Markquis Nowell of 3 seed Kansas State.
3. That gives the Big 12 two of the three highest surviving seeds. 3 seed Gonzaga is the other.

Big East, with 2 of 5 teams in Elite Eight, only lost 3 teams to Big 12's 5, though.

Let the numbers do the rankings so far:

1. Big East has 2 of its 5 teams in the Elite Eight.
2. Big 12 has 2 of its 7 teams in the Elite Eight.
3. West Coast has 1 of its 3 teams in the Elite Eight.
4. Mountain West had 1 of its 4 teams in the Elite Eight, first time a Mountain West team ever advanced that far.
5. ACC has 1 of its 5 teams in the Elite Eight.
6. Pac-12 has 0 of its 3 teams in the Elite Eight.
7. (tie for last) Big 10 has 0 of its 8 teams in the Elite Eight.
7. (tie for last) SEC has 0 of its 8 teams in the Elite Eight.

So, Big 12, which dominated regular season by any way you figured it, is back to being on top again.

Big 10 and SEC were the biggest flops.

SATURDAY GAMES
6:09 pm TBS
9 seed Florida Atlantic vs. 3 seed Kansas State

8:49 pm TBS
4 seed UConn vs. 3 seed Gonzaga

SUNDAY GAMES

2:20 pm CBS
6 Creighton vs. 5 San Diego State

5:05 pm CBS
5 seed Miami vs. 2 seed Texas

Let the Madness continue. NO 1 seeds. ONE 2 seed. TWO 3 seeds. Wow!

 

[oceantide83]

Annnnnd another Big 12 team goes down. This time, to a 9 seed from Conference USA. What you call the best conference in the land by far might not even have any teams in the final four. The lone remaining Big 12 team might as well not even be a Big 12 team with having one foot out the door.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

I have never seen so many teams play a great game but lose, as Kansas State did to Florida Atlantic, as Michigan State did against Kansas State.

 

[dangerousdaneerfan]

I have never seen so many teams play a great game but lose, as Kansas State did to Florida Atlantic, as Michigan State did against Kansas State.

Stop making predictions CFE because you suck at it.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Kansas State got caught reading the headlines and quit playing.

They are king of the flop plays and it backfired on them.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Kansas State got caught reading the headlines and quit playing.

They are king of the flop plays and it backfired on them.

Every time he runs his mouth about the Big 12 they flop

 

[xWVU2010x]

WVU needs to become an all out basketball school because it’s obvious we can compete in this sport.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

WVU needs to become an all out basketball school because it’s obvious we can compete in this sport.

If we are going to do that then we need to do what Uconn did and get back into a conference, we belong in.

 

[xWVU2010x]

If we are going to do that then we need to do what Uconn did and get back into a conference, we belong in.

We’re not like UConn where our brand is tied to a certain conference so a voluntary move to a less lucrative league like the Big East is probably not necessary to help us.

We can do just fine in any league, and if we can retain top coaching talent then we can compete with whoever over the long haul if we stop throwing resources into the money pit that is football that will always be a losing battle.

 

[oceantide83]

WVU needs to become an all out basketball school because it’s obvious we can compete in this sport.

Don't you think other programs with crappy football programs are thinking the same way?

 

[xWVU2010x]

Don't you think other programs with crappy football programs are thinking the same way?

Fortunately the talent pool in bball is deep enough to sustain a lot of programs being competitive and the postseason is very inclusive.

 

[oceantide83]

Fortunately the talent pool in bball is deep enough to sustain a lot of programs being competitive and the postseason is very inclusive.

But that leaves you with the same predicament of being just another competitive program in a sea of competitive programs.

 

[xWVU2010x]

But that leaves you with the same predicament of being just another competitive program in a sea of competitive programs.

Yea but we can be elite, something that isn’t possible for us in football no matter how much we want to wish it into existence.

Basketball has higher parity, so we are likely to experience poor NCAA tournaments, but also good NCAA tournaments, however our chances of having sustained regular season greatness are much higher. With no “best” formula to build a winner in today’s game, the issues we run into in football won’t plague us. Any bad season is a good offseason away from being completely turned around (and vice versa to be fair). We just need to find the right next coach and keep him here with a commitment to not just the coach’s salary, but culture and resources, which if we take from football we will be up there with the best.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Yea but we can be elite, something that isn’t possible for us in football no matter how much we want to wish it into existence.

Basketball has higher parity, so we are likely to experience poor NCAA tournaments, but also good NCAA tournaments, however our chances of having sustained regular season greatness are much higher. With no “best” formula to build a winner in today’s game, the issues we run into in football won’t plague us. Any bad season is a good offseason away from being completely turned around (and vice versa to be fair). We just need to find the right next coach and keep him here with a commitment to not just the coach’s salary, but culture and resources, which if we take from football we will be up there with the best.

It's no use. Some don't want to read rational, accurate posts.

 

[oceantide83]

Yea but we can be elite, something that isn’t possible for us in football no matter how much we want to wish it into existence.

Basketball has higher parity, so we are likely to experience poor NCAA tournaments, but also good NCAA tournaments, however our chances of having sustained regular season greatness are much higher. With no “best” formula to build a winner in today’s game, the issues we run into in football won’t plague us. Any bad season is a good offseason away from being completely turned around (and vice versa to be fair). We just need to find the right next coach and keep him here with a commitment to not just the coach’s salary, but culture and resources, which if we take from football we will be up there with the best.

My point is that what you are proposing isn't lost on all the other programs out there - that it's easier to have sustained success at basketball instead of football. It's unlikely WVU will ever be able to attain a sustained level of success in basketball even if they dumped football altogether and put all that money into basketball as it's illegal to pay recruits with it anyway. Supposedly, WVU has one of the best basketball practice facilities in the NCAA, yet what has been the return on that? Also, in basketball, Power 5 programs have a lot more talented lower division programs to compete with because of the nature of the sport. Elite basketball recruits know they don't have to go to blueblood programs in order to have a realistic shot at playing in the NCAA tournament. Also, you can't change a program's location and WVU isn't a destination school for 99.9% of recruits. Throw in NIL and the portal, and these just make it much more difficult for WVU to compete. Although many still hate Rich Rodriguez, he let an unpopular truth slip when he said "West Virginia isn't so f***** special." If it were, the program wouldn't need to be sold to anyone and recruits would flock to it automatically, which will simply never be the case.

 

[oceantide83]

It's no use. Some don't want to read rational, accurate posts.

Don't talk about rational and accurate after your NCAA tournament blunders.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Yea but we can be elite, something that isn’t possible for us in football no matter how much we want to wish it into existence.

Basketball has higher parity, so we are likely to experience poor NCAA tournaments, but also good NCAA tournaments, however our chances of having sustained regular season greatness are much higher. With no “best” formula to build a winner in today’s game, the issues we run into in football won’t plague us. Any bad season is a good offseason away from being completely turned around (and vice versa to be fair). We just need to find the right next coach and keep him here with a commitment to not just the coach’s salary, but culture and resources, which if we take from football we will be up there with the best.

we have never been elite in basketball either and nothing suggests we can

 

[WVUFanForever]

WVU BEAT UAB --- UAB BEAT FLORIDA ATLANTIC

PROOF WVU SHOULD BE IN THE FINAL FOUR

ITS IN THE NUMBERS

 

[xWVU2010x]

we have never been elite in basketball either and nothing suggests we can

Lol in a sport where a WCC team is a household name, and Final Fours are routinely being played with teams like FAU, Butler, SDSU, Texas Tech etc etc etc we can absolutely win big.

Stop dumping resources into the lost cause that is big time football, build a new arena, improve the fan experience and have NIL boosters get to work on the hardwood and all of a sudden our down years are years like this one and we are winning 1 and 2 seeds regularly.

 

[xWVU2010x]

My point is that what you are proposing isn't lost on all the other programs out there - that it's easier to have sustained success at basketball instead of football. It's unlikely WVU will ever be able to attain a sustained level of success in basketball even if they dumped football altogether and put all that money into basketball as it's illegal to pay recruits with it anyway. Supposedly, WVU has one of the best basketball practice facilities in the NCAA, yet what has been the return on that? Also, in basketball, Power 5 programs have a lot more talented lower division programs to compete with because of the nature of the sport. Elite basketball recruits know they don't have to go to blueblood programs in order to have a realistic shot at playing in the NCAA tournament. Also, you can't change a program's location and WVU isn't a destination school for 99.9% of recruits. Throw in NIL and the portal, and these just make it much more difficult for WVU to compete. Although many still hate Rich Rodriguez, he let an unpopular truth slip when he said "West Virginia isn't so f***** special." If it were, the program wouldn't need to be sold to anyone and recruits would flock to it automatically, which will simply never be the case.

All of your points make no sense when you look at who has been the top seeds and who has been in the Final Four lately. Big money schools, small money schools, sexy destinations, cow towns, good and bad academics, traditional powerhouses, flashes in the pan, transfer U, 4 year starters, and OAD factories have all been at the top of the polls, making Final Fours, winning conference and national titles. Shit we even made the Final Four not THAT long ago.

Your lone argument that makes sense is that the barrier to entry is lower than football, but so what? If this school is to ever win anything, it’s going to be on the hardwood, so stop treating the basketball program as the secondary program here. We have already been abandoned by UT and OU and are relegated to second class citizen status on the gridiron, so don’t tell me it’s about being sexy for other conferences or some shit. If the Big XII dies tomorrow it won’t mean anything to fans, we’ll just roll into the next confederation of leftovers and be .500 there and make similar money.

 

[MichiganHerd]

Another CFE post that simply doesn't age well.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Lol in a sport where a WCC team is a household name, and Final Fours are routinely being played with teams like FAU, Butler, SDSU, Texas Tech etc etc etc we can absolutely win big.

Stop dumping resources into the lost cause that is big time football, build a new arena, improve the fan experience and have NIL boosters get to work on the hardwood and all of a sudden our down years are years like this one and we are winning 1 and 2 seeds regularly.

when was the last time wvu had an elite point guard an elite center and an elite power forward on the same team? We can't even beat that wcc team you refer too. You also need an elite coach to stick around and in case you haven't noticed the coach's at are premier sports run out the door when offered a new job.

 

[oceantide83]

All of your points make no sense when you look at who has been the top seeds and who has been in the Final Four lately. Big money schools, small money schools, sexy destinations, cow towns, good and bad academics, traditional powerhouses, flashes in the pan, transfer U, 4 year starters, and OAD factories have all been at the top of the polls, making Final Fours, winning conference and national titles. Shit we even made the Final Four not THAT long ago.

Your lone argument that makes sense is that the barrier to entry is lower than football, but so what? If this school is to ever win anything, it’s going to be on the hardwood, so stop treating the basketball program as the secondary program here. We have already been abandoned by UT and OU and are relegated to second class citizen status on the gridiron, so don’t tell me it’s about being sexy for other conferences or some shit. If the Big XII dies tomorrow it won’t mean anything to fans, we’ll just roll into the next confederation of leftovers and be .500 there and make similar money.

You still just don't get it.

 

[MarkinPhila]

Big 12, by far the most dominant conference in America during the regular season, after a tumultuous 3 rounds in March Madness, is back to being dominant:

1. Highest seed left in Elite Eight in 2 seed Texas, which decimated 3 seed Xavier of the Big East in the Sweet Sixteen.
2. Most amazing player so far in March Madness in 5-8, 150-pound Markquis Nowell of 3 seed Kansas State.
3. That gives the Big 12 two of the three highest surviving seeds. 3 seed Gonzaga is the other.

Big East, with 2 of 5 teams in Elite Eight, only lost 3 teams to Big 12's 5, though.

Let the numbers do the rankings so far:

1. Big East has 2 of its 5 teams in the Elite Eight.
2. Big 12 has 2 of its 7 teams in the Elite Eight.
3. West Coast has 1 of its 3 teams in the Elite Eight.
4. Mountain West had 1 of its 4 teams in the Elite Eight, first time a Mountain West team ever advanced that far.
5. ACC has 1 of its 5 teams in the Elite Eight.
6. Pac-12 has 0 of its 3 teams in the Elite Eight.
7. (tie for last) Big 10 has 0 of its 8 teams in the Elite Eight.
7. (tie for last) SEC has 0 of its 8 teams in the Elite Eight.

So, Big 12, which dominated regular season by any way you figured it, is back to being on top again.

Big 10 and SEC were the biggest flops.

SATURDAY GAMES
6:09 pm TBS
9 seed Florida Atlantic vs. 3 seed Kansas State

8:49 pm TBS
4 seed UConn vs. 3 seed Gonzaga

SUNDAY GAMES

2:20 pm CBS
6 Creighton vs. 5 San Diego State

5:05 pm CBS
5 seed Miami vs. 2 seed Texas

Let the Madness continue. NO 1 seeds. ONE 2 seed. TWO 3 seeds. Wow!

This aged well. Please stfu... "SDSU, SDSU, THE B12 IS THE BEST CONFERENCE EVER! WE'RE IN THE FINAL 4!".

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

This aged well. Please stfu... "SDSU, SDSU, THE B12 IS THE BEST CONFERENCE EVER! WE'RE IN THE FINAL 4!".

Nasty. Well, NO Big 12, Big 10, SEC or Pac-12 in Final Four! Want to attack that, too. You shortening your lifespan by 7.5 years according to medical experts. I'm 90 and happy no matter WHO wins or loses! I'd rather have my 7.5 years extra over pessimists and misery-spreaders! See you at your funeral!

 

[xWVU2010x]

when was the last time wvu had an elite point guard an elite center and an elite power forward on the same team? We can't even beat that wcc team you refer too. You also need an elite coach to stick around and in case you haven't noticed the coach's at are premier sports run out the door when offered a new job.

Lol my point is to change the way we do things and your response is “historically we have never done this”, lol like no shit dude.

 

[Rootmaster]

Nasty. Well, NO Big 12, Big 10, SEC or Pac-12 in Final Four! Want to attack that, too. You shortening your lifespan by 7.5 years according to medical experts. I'm 90 and happy no matter WHO wins or loses! I'd rather have my 7.5 years extra over pessimists and misery-spreaders! See you at your funeral!

So little pussyman now you're hoping another poster dies ...while you hide behind your fake forum identity. CFE you are a disgusting human being and a coward.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Lol my point is to change the way we do things and your response is “historically we have never done this”, lol like no shit dude.

We are never going to do it we don't have resources to do it. BTW teams like FAU SDSU are not elite they just had a good year like we did back in 2010. Elite programs are the ones who can do it on a fairly consistent basis, and I got news for you that's not Wvu and it never will be.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Nasty. Well, NO Big 12, Big 10, SEC or Pac-12 in Final Four! Want to attack that, too. You shortening your lifespan by 7.5 years according to medical experts. I'm 90 and happy no matter WHO wins or loses! I'd rather have my 7.5 years extra over pessimists and misery-spreaders! See you at your funeral!

**** you troll...all year you trolled us with well over probably 200 threads mucking up page one of the free board with how great the Big 12 was and they got no teams in the Final Four....take your medicine like a man instead of a pussy....don't be a turd boy.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Nasty. Well, NO Big 12, Big 10, SEC or Pac-12 in Final Four! Want to attack that, too. You shortening your lifespan by 7.5 years according to medical experts. I'm 90 and happy no matter WHO wins or loses! I'd rather have my 7.5 years extra over pessimists and misery-spreaders! See you at your funeral!

So where would Miami have ended up in the big 12? For as uneventful a season that the ACC had their tourney best took the Big 12 champ to school in clutch time.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

You still just don't get it.

This guy claimed he worked in sports merchandising, and he doesn't' understand NIL.

 

[xWVU2010x]

We are never going to do it we don't have resources to do it. BTW teams like FAU SDSU are not elite they just had a good year like we did back in 2010. Elite programs are the ones who can do it on a fairly consistent basis, and I got news for you that's not Wvu and it never will be.

So how does Baylor do it? How did Gonzaga do it and continue to do it? How did bankrupt UConn pull its shit AD out of the dumpster and into a betting favorite at the Final Four? Are you shitting me trying to say we don’t have the resources or fanbase of private schools in Waco and Spokane? You are a defeatist.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

So how does Baylor do it? How did Gonzaga do it and continue to do it? How did bankrupt UConn pull its shit AD out of the dumpster and into a betting favorite at the Final Four? Are you shitting me trying to say we don’t have the resources or fanbase of private schools in Waco and Spokane? You are a defeatist.

Gonzaga is a catholic school with a good coach and there are a ton of good catholic high schools for them to recruit from. They still haven't won anything. Connecticut is one of the richest states in the country they are close to NYC which is a fertile recruiting ground. Baylor is in Texas which has a ton of recruit as well. Wvu is in a poor state with very little in state recruiting and lacks the resources of any of the schools you just mentioned. Get your head out of your a$$.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Gonzaga is a catholic school with a good coach and there are a ton of good catholic high schools for them to recruit from. They still haven't won anything. Connecticut is one of the richest states in the country they are close to NYC which is a fertile recruiting ground. Baylor is in Texas which has a ton of recruit as well. Wvu is in a poor state with very little in state recruiting and lacks the resources of any of the schools you just mentioned. Get your head out of your a$$.

Lol really that’s your take? It’s their Catholicism and locations? Gonzaga is an annual top seed and has broken through to two Final Fours since 2017, they have done an excellent job thinking outside the box and tapping into overseas recruiting to keep up with schools with much more resources. There are so many crap Catholic basketball schools in this country, if it was that simple to tap into Catholic school recruiting, they would all do it. As for UConn, if what they have done is so easy then why does every other NYC area (and New England for that manner) school suck? Let’s also keep in mind that there was speculation the rich and mighty UConn was flirting with having to shut down athletics because of how far in the red they were, primarily due to football.

You’re picking random reasons and running with it because you’re a defeatist. There is no defined reason we can’t be a basketball power, there are now countless different ways to build a competitive roster because of the new transfer rules and NIL, just because the obvious “we’ll just outpay everyone” avenue isn’t available to us like it would be to a Kentucky or some SEC programs, does not mean our program cannot thrive.

WVU has recently been ranked 20th in terms of licensing sales, over schools like Kansas and Clemson.

WVU as a large school has over 200k alumni.

WVU has recently ranked 29th in MBB attendance with a very small immediate market to sell tickets to and mediocre results.

WVU’s location is basically western PA, being about 15 minutes from the border, with manageable drives to Pittsburgh, DC, Baltimore, Harrisburg, and Cleveland from campus if you’re gonna call Storrs, CT “the NYC area”. Pittsburgh under Dixon had a regular season run that we are more than capable of emulating.

New arena, new marketing, new basketball coach. That should be the springboard for a new era of WVU athletics. Turn the football program into KU football and throw a parade whenever it wins a game.

 

[oceantide83]

Lol really that’s your take? It’s their Catholicism and locations? Gonzaga is an annual top seed and has broken through to two Final Fours since 2017, they have done an excellent job thinking outside the box and tapping into overseas recruiting to keep up with schools with much more resources. There are so many crap Catholic basketball schools in this country, if it was that simple to tap into Catholic school recruiting, they would all do it. As for UConn, if what they have done is so easy then why does every other NYC area (and New England for that manner) school suck? Let’s also keep in mind that there was speculation the rich and mighty UConn was flirting with having to shut down athletics because of how far in the red they were, primarily due to football.

You’re picking random reasons and running with it because you’re a defeatist. There is no defined reason we can’t be a basketball power, there are now countless different ways to build a competitive roster because of the new transfer rules and NIL, just because the obvious “we’ll just outpay everyone” avenue isn’t available to us like it would be to a Kentucky or some SEC programs, does not mean our program cannot thrive.

WVU has recently been ranked 20th in terms of licensing sales, over schools like Kansas and Clemson.

WVU as a large school has over 200k alumni.

WVU has recently ranked 29th in MBB attendance with a very small immediate market to sell tickets to and mediocre results.

WVU’s location is basically western PA, being about 15 minutes from the border, with manageable drives to Pittsburgh, DC, Baltimore, Harrisburg, and Cleveland from campus if you’re gonna call Storrs, CT “the NYC area”. Pittsburgh under Dixon had a regular season run that we are more than capable of emulating.

New arena, new marketing, new basketball coach. That should be the springboard for a new era of WVU athletics. Turn the football program into KU football and throw a parade whenever it wins a game.

Did you send Wren an email yet? BTW, most WVU fans care more about football than basketball.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Did you send Wren an email yet? BTW, most WVU fans care more about football than basketball.

37,000 at Senior Day...you sure about that?

 

[Rootmaster]

Did you send Wren an email yet? BTW, most WVU fans care more about football than basketball.

Not sure fans care about football anymore. Chance for success probably comes from basketball but even there...who cares?

 

[oceantide83]

37,000 at Senior Day...you sure about that?

Still higher than the highest attended basketball game.

 

[Rootmaster]

Still higher than the highest attended basketball game.

Nearly 40% empty seats.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Still higher than the highest attended basketball game.

HAHHAHAHA....look everyone.....he made a funny.