do you really think Texas and Oklahoma are going to want to be in a conference with Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston, etc. If you answer that honestly, you will see the problem in your future.
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Care to comment on my previous question about what Marshall is if teams above it are considered "watering down the schedule "?
Your words.
Well, you don't agree that playing Memphis, Cincinnati and maybe someone like UConn is not a step back from playing Texas, TCU and Oklahoma State? When you pick up new conference mates it will mean that you won't play some of the existing schools. The only way it doesn't water down your schedule is if they replace Kansas, Iowa State and Texas Tech.
Depends. If we don't play every conference opponent every season with 12 teams (divisions), there will be instances where we won't play Kansas but would play a Cincy or BYU (upgrade). Plus, we would still be drawing the OUs and Baylors of the conference every season.... just not every team every season. We are going to need to extend our tv market for our deal in a few years. I'll wait to see what actually happens before making a judgement.
It is easy to talk about conference realignment when you will never be in the discussion. It is also easy to talk about watering down a schedule when your toughest opponent is UConn.
Not going to happen 82. My guess is that those schools will bolt the Big 12. The Big 10 and SEC will make a play for the top Big 12 teams, as will the Pac 12. This will end up with 4 16 team conferences before the Big 12 expands.
Does it suck that all you have to root for is WVU to fail ?
I can sense your anger with every word you type. Must be exhausting . I almost feel bad for you.
So tell us Nostradumbass, with all your insight into the future why didn't you see that Marshall was doomed when they signed on with CUSA????? And while you're at it, let us know how you predict this weekends winning powerball numbers.
Sorry Nostradumbass, I never play the lottery in any form or fashion. It's a fools game, one that you over qualified for.
So your prayers turn into predictions.
Regardless of what happens, WVU will land on its feet. Your dream of WVU falling down to the ranks of Marshall is just that. A dream. Like previously mentioned...It's got to suck for you to be reduced to hoping WVU will somehow be left out in the cold, like Marshall. Reason being, Marshall has no chance at all and you know it.
Hopes and prayers for WVU to be left out, come before rooting for Marshall now. Sad, sad time to be a Marshall fan.
WVU is and will be just fine. As hard as it would be for the Herdiots to comprehend, most of us WVU fans hope that Marshall finds a better place than CUSA......
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/109247/would-arizona-arizona-state-consider-the-big-12
Arizona Daily Star columnist Greg Hansen offered an intriguing take for the paper Sunday: What if Arizona is better off someday joining the Big 12? You can read that piece here, and you should, because Hansen makes some interesting observations about the state of the Pac-12.
"Maybe a jump to the Big 12 doesn’t make sense for Arizona in 2016," Hansen writes, "but in the next five or 10 years, the Pac-12 might not be the school’s best option."
Berry Tramel of The Oklahoman offered a good take that's also worth checking out. He finds it unlikely, thanks to the grant-of-rights deals, that either Arizona or Arizona State would risk bailing on the Pac-12 in the near future.
The Big 12's presidents have plenty to discuss when they meet next week in Dallas, and David Boren and E. Gordon Gee have made it clear they want to talk about expansion. No matter how unrealistic Arizona and/or Arizona State might seem today, you do have to wonder if there are other fish in the Power 5 sea feeling wary or unsatisfied about the future and willing to listen to the Big 12.
Tramel brings up another good question, by the way: If the Arizona schools ever made the jump, would they get thrown into a revived Big 12 South with the four Texas schools? Oklahoma and Oklahoma State might not love what moving into a North division would do for their schedules, but boy, there would be some fun showdowns in the South.
http://tucson.com/would-big-be-a-be...cle_0afe7d40-c21c-11e5-9122-136c443ef6a2.html
Would Big 12 be a better fit for Cats?
While recruiting in Arkansas last week, Arizona’s new cornerbacks coach, Donté Williams, was stuck in a snowstorm. He tweeted that he planned to drive to an airport in Dallas.
What? Arizona is recruiting in Arkansas?
It’s true. The Wildcats have a commitment from two-star defensive lineman Markell Utsey of Little Rock. The UA is no longer as California-centric in football recruiting; it had just 28 scholarship players from California on last year’s roster.
That’s because the Wildcats have to stand in a long line behind UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal and Oregon when recruiting in California. And it battles Washington, ASU and Utah to be No. 6 in the pecking order.
So I’m thinking: Wouldn’t Greg Byrne shock the college football world if he engineered a move to the Big 12 Conference? Would it be a better fit?
The Big 12 has just 10 members and has not discouraged speculation about expanding to 12.
It was recently given approval to implement a football championship game, which would likely add about $2 million per year, per school, to Big 12 partners.
A trip to Texas is 893 miles from Tucson. That’s almost as close as it is to Cal (858 miles). A game at Oklahoma is 954 miles. Arizona goes 1,282 miles to play Oregon. How about distant Iowa State? That’s 1,427 miles from Tucson. An Arizona game in Seattle is 1,538 miles.
The Pac-12 is not the Valhalla that commissioner Larry Scott diagrammed when he signed a $3 billion media rights deal in 2011 and added Colorado and Utah.
The Pac-12 Networks has little clout, distribution woes and has not been the money-maker projected. It became even more confusing this basketball season when regional feeds became unavailable in other league markets.
ESPN’s Pac-12 correspondent, Ted Miller, last week wrote: “There doesn’t seem to be much momentum inside the posh Pac-12 offices in the most expensive city in the United States to do the nutty thing and, you know, cut expenses so the 12 universities could get more money.
“Moving the headquarters (to Salt Lake City) also might inspire a winnowing of the executive-level, big-paycheck bloat that university administrators are beginning to notice now that the euphoria of the rights deal fades.”
If Arizona jumped to the Big 12, it would mean the ASU rivalry would diminish. That’s life in the 21st century. Kansas-Missouri, Texas A&M-Texas, BYU-Utah and Oklahoma-Nebraska have all abandoned long-time rivalries for better financial situations.
Pros of Big 12 membership: many fewer late-night kickoffs and tipoffs.
Drawbacks: Arizona has sizable alumni groups in California.
It would actually make more sense for the Big 12 to pursue ASU and thereby capture the Phoenix TV market. But interest in college sports in Phoenix is, at best, mild.
Either way, Arizona and ASU should both be looking for better revenue sources, even if it means marginalizing the Territorial Cup.
On Friday, I walked into a hotel near the Cal campus just as a bus carrying Arizona State’s men’s and women’s swimming teams unloaded a traveling party of about 50.
The bill for a three-day swimming trip to Stanford and Cal — airfare, hotels, food, ground transportation — is probably close to $25,000.
The Sun Devils (and Arizona) both spend about 15 nights on the road this swimming season, which means they spend in excess of $100,000 on travel expenses, not including recruiting. Neither swimming program makes a dime in revenue.
Coaches’ salaries soar. Expenses climb. Student-athletes are now essentially on the payroll. But TV revenues in the Pac-12 appear to be maxed out.
The one problem with anyone moving into the Big 12 is that its current media rights deal isn’t much better than the Pac-12 contract.
Texas’ deal with ESPN, the Longhorn Network, which is struggling, has scuttled the Big 12’s efforts to launch its own network.
But given the take-it-or-leave-it attitude toward college sports in Los Angeles and San Francisco — Saturday’s Oakland Tribune did not publish a single word about the Arizona-Cal basketball game — you wonder if the Pac-12’s footprint is really superior to that of the Big 12.
When the NFL begins again in Los Angeles, interest in Pac-12 sports will be further diminished in SoCal.
Maybe a jump to the Big 12 doesn’t make sense for Arizona in 2016, but in the next five or 10 years, the Pac-12 might not be the school’s best option.
Would Big 12 be a better fit for Cats?
While recruiting in Arkansas last week, Arizona’s new cornerbacks coach, Donté Williams, was stuck in a snowstorm. He tweeted that he planned to drive to an airport in Dallas.
What? Arizona is recruiting in Arkansas?
It’s true. The Wildcats have a commitment from two-star defensive lineman Markell Utsey of Little Rock. The UA is no longer as California-centric in football recruiting; it had just 28 scholarship players from California on last year’s roster.
That’s because the Wildcats have to stand in a long line behind UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal and Oregon when recruiting in California. And it battles Washington, ASU and Utah to be No. 6 in the pecking order.
So I’m thinking: Wouldn’t Greg Byrne shock the college football world if he engineered a move to the Big 12 Conference? Would it be a better fit?
The Big 12 has just 10 members and has not discouraged speculation about expanding to 12.
It was recently given approval to implement a football championship game, which would likely add about $2 million per year, per school, to Big 12 partners.
A trip to Texas is 893 miles from Tucson. That’s almost as close as it is to Cal (858 miles). A game at Oklahoma is 954 miles. Arizona goes 1,282 miles to play Oregon. How about distant Iowa State? That’s 1,427 miles from Tucson. An Arizona game in Seattle is 1,538 miles.
The Pac-12 is not the Valhalla that commissioner Larry Scott diagrammed when he signed a $3 billion media rights deal in 2011 and added Colorado and Utah.
The Pac-12 Networks has little clout, distribution woes and has not been the money-maker projected. It became even more confusing this basketball season when regional feeds became unavailable in other league markets.
ESPN’s Pac-12 correspondent, Ted Miller, last week wrote: “There doesn’t seem to be much momentum inside the posh Pac-12 offices in the most expensive city in the United States to do the nutty thing and, you know, cut expenses so the 12 universities could get more money.
“Moving the headquarters (to Salt Lake City) also might inspire a winnowing of the executive-level, big-paycheck bloat that university administrators are beginning to notice now that the euphoria of the rights deal fades.”
If Arizona jumped to the Big 12, it would mean the ASU rivalry would diminish. That’s life in the 21st century. Kansas-Missouri, Texas A&M-Texas, BYU-Utah and Oklahoma-Nebraska have all abandoned long-time rivalries for better financial situations.
Pros of Big 12 membership: many fewer late-night kickoffs and tipoffs.
Drawbacks: Arizona has sizable alumni groups in California.
It would actually make more sense for the Big 12 to pursue ASU and thereby capture the Phoenix TV market. But interest in college sports in Phoenix is, at best, mild.
Either way, Arizona and ASU should both be looking for better revenue sources, even if it means marginalizing the Territorial Cup.
On Friday, I walked into a hotel near the Cal campus just as a bus carrying Arizona State’s men’s and women’s swimming teams unloaded a traveling party of about 50.
The bill for a three-day swimming trip to Stanford and Cal — airfare, hotels, food, ground transportation — is probably close to $25,000.
The Sun Devils (and Arizona) both spend about 15 nights on the road this swimming season, which means they spend in excess of $100,000 on travel expenses, not including recruiting. Neither swimming program makes a dime in revenue.
Coaches’ salaries soar. Expenses climb. Student-athletes are now essentially on the payroll. But TV revenues in the Pac-12 appear to be maxed out.
The one problem with anyone moving into the Big 12 is that its current media rights deal isn’t much better than the Pac-12 contract.
Texas’ deal with ESPN, the Longhorn Network, which is struggling, has scuttled the Big 12’s efforts to launch its own network.
But given the take-it-or-leave-it attitude toward college sports in Los Angeles and San Francisco — Saturday’s Oakland Tribune did not publish a single word about the Arizona-Cal basketball game — you wonder if the Pac-12’s footprint is really superior to that of the Big 12.
When the NFL begins again in Los Angeles, interest in Pac-12 sports will be further diminished in SoCal.
Maybe a jump to the Big 12 doesn’t make sense for Arizona in 2016, but in the next five or 10 years, the Pac-12 might not be the school’s best option.
My guess is they all sign an extension to the GOR and lock in for 12-20 years if big dollars.
I don't think they'll want Houston, but with the additional revenue generated from a championship game and the potential for a slightly easier path to get there, I think they'll be fine with it. Let's see how they vote.
The Big 12 is a meat grinder as it is. You don't get to dodge some of the good teams like many get to do in other conferences. The results from a championship game could elevate seeding in the playoffs, as well as bringing in more revenue.
As a Marshall fan, you've got more important things to worry about than the Big 12. You've gotta get prepared for the gauntlet of ODU, FIU, FAU and all of those powerful Texas schools like North Texas, UTEP, and UTSA. Doc's got his work cut out for him.
Actually, as a fan of the Herd, potential Big 12 expansion is something to worry about. Domino effect from the last wave of expansion is why Marshall is currently playing multiple 'alphabet' schools. Another domino effect that likely would leave Marshall still in C-USA would be even more devastating. Imagine Southern Miss, WKU, La Tech, MTSU leaving C-USA for say, the American to replace schools that may depart for the Big 12. I think Marshall fans have a hell of a lot to be concerned over.
The best case scenario would be if the AAC poached a MAC school and Marshall went back to the MAC. Closer games, historic rivals and a huge savings in travel. The travel expenditures for Olympic sports alone would be an area for tremendous cost savings.
