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An Expanded Big 12 Could Provide A Way Forward For West Virginia​




Referencing Stewart Mandel of The Athletic and David Jones of the Harrisburg Patriot-News, two guys, DeCourcy said, who have excellent contacts and understanding of collegiate sports, DeCourcy reiterated their viewpoints that the Oklahoma and Texas moves may not trigger an avalanche. “The reality of the remaining Big 12 teams is that none move the needle enough for you to go ahead and move,” DeCourcy said.


While DeCourcy said there is some logic in that rationale, logic doesn’t always play into these sorts of decisions. If the ACC wants to poach from the Big 12, he said WVU is the only logical choice — and that it’d be a good landing spot for the Mountaineers.


However, a reconfigured Big 12 conference, which would maintain its autonomy five conference status in this case (probably the most important situation for WVU to retain, for more information on autonomy), would offer a new route for WVU. Albeit, a route with less revenue than the previous Big 12 iteration.


“In the NCAA bylaws right now, the Big 12 stands as an autonomy five conference,” DeCourcy said. “It’s written into whatever documents they have, whatever sacred stones they have, they’re one of them.” The AAC is not.


If the Big 12 were to add some combination or all of Memphis, UCF, Houston and/or Cincinnati, the conference would likely survive. With the rapidly changing landscape of streaming, cable and digital media, a new TV deal in 2025 could look vastly different. So, DeCourcy said, while a new Big 12 wouldn’t make SEC or Big 10 money, the conference was never going to in the first place.


“[A new TV deal] would definitely be worth less,” DeCourcy said. “In the cable world, it would be worth less. But the cable world isn’t the only world now. So, that’s what the Big 12 would have to future out. Is there a revenue stream out there that could make us whole or improve our luck?”


Streaming is still relatively new, and the number of streamers, on a per team basis and nationally, and the actual streaming services will be vastly different by then. Hulu offers live sports, and Amazon is jumping into streaming the NFL. Which company is next?


From a football perspective, WVU would have better chances in a revamped Big 12 than one with Oklahoma still around.


“The best thing for West Virginia is they don’t tumble off the map necessarily because of Texas or Oklahoma,” DeCourcy said. “The coming expansion of the football playoff, the way it was presented initially, the top conferences get an auto-bid. You know what that says for West Virginia? If we’re in and Oklahoma and Texas are gone, we might actually get that bid.”
 
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Let's consider worst case - no B1G, no ACC.
What combination of teams would make the Big12 the most valuable, intriguing, and competent?
I think you go 12 or 14 - add BYU, Boise, Cincy, Memphis, UCF, Houston. If 12, leave off Houston & UCF.
 
Problem with this approach is that this system works in a vacuum when it absolutely doesn't. ESPN controls the ACC, the AAC and the SEC.

If ESPN wants content in the AAC (I.e. WVU) then they will simply tell the ACC they will not renegotiate their GOR which essentially nukes that option.

The SEC will not take anyone else from the Big 12 because they want it dead.

FOX Sports needs to step in if they want to save the B12. They need to reassure the remaining amount per team will not go down and then actively recruit TAMU, Arky, Missouri, LSU, Cincinnati and Memphis. They will have to overpay to make this happen, but they will lose this whole gambit if they allow ESPN/SEC to just ramble on without a counter punch.

FOX needs to sit down this week with the B12 Presidents and pitch this. UT and OU have zero plans on waiting until 2025. ESPN also has no desire for this either. The longer the B12 waits, the more it harms ESPN. If we don't, we will be lucky to make a third of what we are making now in the AAC. ESPN will never allow WVU to be brought up to an ACC vote unless we become an asset to dissolve the Big 12. ESPN is not nearly that desperate yet. A United B12 in 2022 will likely change that.
 
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I think you add 4 teams:
1. Cincinnati
2. UCF
3. Houston
4. UNLV - I know! Crazy! Have you seen their new stadium that they share with the Raiders? Best stadium in college football and Vegas is a great market. BIG 12 could really raise their profile. Might be a sleeping Giant!
 
Problem with this approach is that this system works in a vacuum when it absolutely doesn't. ESPN controls the ACC, the AAC and the SEC.

If ESPN wants content in the AAC (I.e. WVU) then they will simply tell the ACC they will not renegotiate their GOR which essentially nukes that option.

The SEC will not take anyone else from the Big 12 because they want it dead.

FOX Sports needs to step in if they want to save the B12. They need to reassure the remaining amount per team will not go down and then actively recruit TAMU, Arky, Missouri, LSU, Cincinnati and Memphis. They will have to overpay to make this happen, but they will lose this whole gambit if they allow ESPN/SEC to just ramble on without a counter punch.

FOX needs to sit down this week with the B12 Presidents and pitch this. UT and OU have zero plans on waiting until 2025. ESPN also has no desire for this either. The longer the B12 waits, the more it harms ESPN. If we don't, we will be lucky to make a third of what we are making now in the AAC. ESPN will never allow WVU to be brought up to an ACC vote unless we become an asset to dissolve the Big 12. ESPN is not nearly that desperate yet. A United B12 in 2022 will likely change that.
They might do it to make the lawsuit go away. Also, SEC needs someone to beat up on.
 
Problem with this approach is that this system works in a vacuum when it absolutely doesn't. ESPN controls the ACC, the AAC and the SEC.

If ESPN wants content in the AAC (I.e. WVU) then they will simply tell the ACC they will not renegotiate their GOR which essentially nukes that option.

The SEC will not take anyone else from the Big 12 because they want it dead.

FOX Sports needs to step in if they want to save the B12. They need to reassure the remaining amount per team will not go down and then actively recruit TAMU, Arky, Missouri, LSU, Cincinnati and Memphis. They will have to overpay to make this happen, but they will lose this whole gambit if they allow ESPN/SEC to just ramble on without a counter punch.

FOX needs to sit down this week with the B12 Presidents and pitch this. UT and OU have zero plans on waiting until 2025. ESPN also has no desire for this either. The longer the B12 waits, the more it harms ESPN. If we don't, we will be lucky to make a third of what we are making now in the AAC. ESPN will never allow WVU to be brought up to an ACC vote unless we become an asset to dissolve the Big 12. ESPN is not nearly that desperate yet. A United B12 in 2022 will likely change that.
The relationship with ESPN is probably burned to the ground already!
 
At this point it wont hurt my feelings if we end up in a small conference. I'm sick of how the media and NCAA has ruined college sports. If we could bring back school spirit, get kids to play hard and stay in school and be real team players and Mountaineers for life, I would gladly be out of the big national spotlight to have that. Call me crazy but I think I'd rather just enjoy WVU sports again at its basic level and leave the hype machine behind. And we have a football coach who has already proven he can win big in small conferences. Fk ESPN, the B12 and the rest of them.
 
Problem with this approach is that this system works in a vacuum when it absolutely doesn't. ESPN controls the ACC, the AAC and the SEC.

If ESPN wants content in the AAC (I.e. WVU) then they will simply tell the ACC they will not renegotiate their GOR which essentially nukes that option.

The SEC will not take anyone else from the Big 12 because they want it dead.

FOX Sports needs to step in if they want to save the B12. They need to reassure the remaining amount per team will not go down and then actively recruit TAMU, Arky, Missouri, LSU, Cincinnati and Memphis. They will have to overpay to make this happen, but they will lose this whole gambit if they allow ESPN/SEC to just ramble on without a counter punch.

FOX needs to sit down this week with the B12 Presidents and pitch this. UT and OU have zero plans on waiting until 2025. ESPN also has no desire for this either. The longer the B12 waits, the more it harms ESPN. If we don't, we will be lucky to make a third of what we are making now in the AAC. ESPN will never allow WVU to be brought up to an ACC vote unless we become an asset to dissolve the Big 12. ESPN is not nearly that desperate yet. A United B12 in 2022 will likely change that.
FOX isn’t interested
They are trying to consolidate all their money behind the B1G

If FOX was interested they would have in the beginning when the talks broke down

Big 12 now has a media company not interested and is damaging the relationship with the other

Probably because you have dumbass Baylor running things now
 
Its interesting that the BIG 12 did not reference FOX in any way shape or form.

There must be a good reason for this (and it could be one of the reasons ESPN seeks to tear the conference up too).

Time will tell.
 
Baylor are dumb asses
Want to follow them. Deep in their hearts they are happy but will do anything to screw both UT and A&M

They will have all of you in frivolous lawsuits
 
Good read:

excerpt:

An Expanded Big 12 Could Provide A Way Forward For West Virginia​




Referencing Stewart Mandel of The Athletic and David Jones of the Harrisburg Patriot-News, two guys, DeCourcy said, who have excellent contacts and understanding of collegiate sports, DeCourcy reiterated their viewpoints that the Oklahoma and Texas moves may not trigger an avalanche. “The reality of the remaining Big 12 teams is that none move the needle enough for you to go ahead and move,” DeCourcy said.


While DeCourcy said there is some logic in that rationale, logic doesn’t always play into these sorts of decisions. If the ACC wants to poach from the Big 12, he said WVU is the only logical choice — and that it’d be a good landing spot for the Mountaineers.


However, a reconfigured Big 12 conference, which would maintain its autonomy five conference status in this case (probably the most important situation for WVU to retain, for more information on autonomy), would offer a new route for WVU. Albeit, a route with less revenue than the previous Big 12 iteration.


“In the NCAA bylaws right now, the Big 12 stands as an autonomy five conference,” DeCourcy said. “It’s written into whatever documents they have, whatever sacred stones they have, they’re one of them.” The AAC is not.


If the Big 12 were to add some combination or all of Memphis, UCF, Houston and/or Cincinnati, the conference would likely survive. With the rapidly changing landscape of streaming, cable and digital media, a new TV deal in 2025 could look vastly different. So, DeCourcy said, while a new Big 12 wouldn’t make SEC or Big 10 money, the conference was never going to in the first place.


“[A new TV deal] would definitely be worth less,” DeCourcy said. “In the cable world, it would be worth less. But the cable world isn’t the only world now. So, that’s what the Big 12 would have to future out. Is there a revenue stream out there that could make us whole or improve our luck?”


Streaming is still relatively new, and the number of streamers, on a per team basis and nationally, and the actual streaming services will be vastly different by then. Hulu offers live sports, and Amazon is jumping into streaming the NFL. Which company is next?


From a football perspective, WVU would have better chances in a revamped Big 12 than one with Oklahoma still around.


“The best thing for West Virginia is they don’t tumble off the map necessarily because of Texas or Oklahoma,” DeCourcy said. “The coming expansion of the football playoff, the way it was presented initially, the top conferences get an auto-bid. You know what that says for West Virginia? If we’re in and Oklahoma and Texas are gone, we might actually get that bid.”
Weak sauce. Conferences champs won’t get auto bid in playoff.

Done.
 
More on the FOX situation:


By taking Texas and Oklahoma, SEC and ESPN -- exclusive partners in the conference's media rights deal -- damaged Fox's investment in the Big 12. Fox splits rights with ESPN in the Big 12, Pac-12 and Big Ten.

To some, the takeover was bigger than realignment. It was a significant business maneuver.

That's why one high-profile AD tells CBS Sports he has "major issues" with the 12-team expansion as proposed.
 
They might do it to make the lawsuit go away. Also, SEC needs someone to beat up on.
Agreed. All the more reason to drag this out. WVU has zero leverage right now. Every month that UT and OU aren't in the SEC, ESPN is losing content/money. Every month, the legal process will further play its way out (there will be at least 4-5 parties in the B12 alone).

Our leverage in 18 months will be immense. WVU just needs to sit this out and back channel the shit out of this. We might be able to parlay an SEC invite if we play it right.

Personally, I'd trade that to watch ESPN burn, but to each their own.
 
FOX isn’t interested
They are trying to consolidate all their money behind the B1G

If FOX was interested they would have in the beginning when the talks broke down

Big 12 now has a media company not interested and is damaging the relationship with the other

Probably because you have dumbass Baylor running things now

If FOX thinks a rust belt conference is going to find equal footing with the SEC by absorbing the absolute worse major conference (PAC 12) they are horribly mistaken. The SEC will go after OSU and Michigan and Clemson. If FOX doesn't act now, they are screwed.
 
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Weird posting going on-either people here posting someone elses messaging or a troll parade?

Inserting matter of fact statements about ie Gee and what he is supposedly doing and claims of exact happenings-appears to be someones intended agenda.

purpose?

but we know some facts. UT/OU were only officially admitted to the Sec a couple of days ago. Nothing else was ever taking place until that became official.

the agenda of the parties trying to create a certain outcome in the landscape have been halted due to serious legal ramifications.

it appears though certain influencers are still here trying to achieve a desired outcome.
 
Baylor also thinks LSU told Kim Mulkey about this and then offered a bunch of money to return back to Louisiana. Wasn’t the first time someone offered her a bunch of money…Thinking that the collapse of the Big 12 played a role

A lot or bullshit coming from certain schools
 
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