Answer this honestly

[steeleer]

ISU hasn't won in forever and they still fill their stadium. Our fans are just brats.

You better win every game by 50 if you want me to show up.

Ames and the state of Iowa isn't much...but it's well above WV for population and average earnings per capita.

That being said, I do respect their ability to sell tickets when their program has been crap for decades.

Our fans expect more because WVU has had GREAT teams on several occasions. We know we can do better than this.

 

[GoWVU]

OSU is undefeated and ranked #12 in the country, but they aren't a good team?

I think the only thing wrong with what Drifter said was that he should've characterized Oklahoma, Baylor, and TCU as "very good" teams rather than merely saying "good."

Otherwise, he made an excellent point that Oklahoma St probably can be characterized fairly as "roughly equal competition" considering we went into OT with them.

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

...and the cost for a burger has gone from $1 to $65 in that same period. People are going to expect something pretty special from a $65 burger or they will stop coming.

You are also conveniently ignoring the boosters. They drive the bus at WVU like at many places. If they say "enough" then Dana is toast...which is exactly what happened to Stew.

Using the football/hamburger analogy .... everybody is paying more for hamburger these days. It's not just WVU.

Now .... if you are like me ... you simply believe the money charged/paid is way over the top across the board (meaning most schools). If people are foolish enough to make these donations and pay the price/fees just to have a football team I'll go ahead and watch/cheer for the same team I always have. But I'm not giving a dime more than whatever percentage of my cable fees eventually gets routed the conference and WVU.

College football is a highly inflated product that will never deliver what most people are expecting it to deliver in their lives.
But if you understand it is just a game and you can take a step back you can 1) enjoy the games, and 2) laugh at the circus that $$$ has turned college football into.

Just step back .... enjoy the games and enjoy the circus.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

No, dumbass, I've said all along I want to wait for the season to end to take action. What I am saying is that it is stupid not to make the decision at that time based on whether the program is improving, rather than moronic excuses for why it isn't.

Capiche?

 

[WarezEER]

So you always live a context-free life?

You often find yourself in a McDonalds, demanding a T Bone steak? Or showing up at the dealership with 20k mad because you "deserve" a BMW?


If you couldn't look at the situations involving WVU football this season and see that we weren't a Title Contender, then just tuck that head back down in your bucket of sand.......... reality isn't for you.

Understanding that a season probably won't be great is not an indication of a failed coaching decision................... success in sports is cyclical. Acknowledging that provides a far greater enjoyment for when WVU is actually achieving it.

Rationality has completely escaped this fan base.

KC..........................I fully understand. You are speaking reality. I love to see WV win as much or more than most but I do understand that winning in the Big 12 (or the Big East) is not easy. I am not unhappy with this years version of WV football and remain faithful. They have lost 4 games to Top 5 opponents. WV has a very good team.

 

[steeleer]

Using the football/hamburger analogy .... everybody is paying more for hamburger these days. It's not just WVU.

Now .... if you are like me ... you simply believe the money charged/paid is way over the top across the board (meaning most schools). If people are foolish enough to make these donations and pay the price/fees just to have a football team I'll go ahead and watch/cheer for the same team I always have. But I'm not giving a dime more than whatever percentage of my cable fees eventually gets routed the conference and WVU.

College football is a highly inflated product that will never deliver what most people are expecting it to deliver in their lives.
But if you understand it is just a game and you can take a step back you can 1) enjoy the games, and 2) laugh at the circus that $$$ has turned college football into.

Just step back .... enjoy the games and enjoy the circus.

The circus is way more fun when you are in the center circle as a lead act. Lately it feels like we are the Bearded Lady in the Freak Show.
We have gone from a program to be feared to a joke.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Can the awful analogies stop, please?

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Says the moron who started by comparing our program to McDonalds thinking it was an excuse for Dana.

Is there any end to your stupidity and hypocrisy?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

No, dumbass, I've said all along I want to wait for the season to end to take action. What I am saying is that it is stupid not to make the decision at that time based on whether the program is improving, rather than moronic excuses for why it isn't.

Capiche?

Right - and until then you'll just make daily threads about how terrible the teams is, how much you dislike Dana and the greatness of Bill Stewart.

You'll go full-Hank until the season ends, no doubt. Then when we hire a new coach you can complain about the color of his shirt and we can start all over again, rinse and repeat.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Good God, you are an idiot. I've never said Stewart was acceptable let alone great. Replacing him with someone BETTER would have been fine.

The problem is we didn't accomplish that goal.

 

[steeleer]

Can the awful analogies stop, please?

Ok. This program has won and won big before. This program is miles from that path and I can't think of a time since Nehlen's last 2-3 years where we were further from that path.

We went from a team that was a featured program in the media to an after thought. The cost for this product has not lowered to match the product on the field and has no plans to do so (nor should it).

Your bend is that fans won't stay away. I assume you also think the boosters will stay loyal. That's a lot of money to gamble on what has been a sub-par coach. I'm not sure our AD is willing to go all-in on Dana when gambling literally millions of dollars. Dana's production has not justified that gamble.

How's that for a non-analogy?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Good God, you are an idiot. I've never said Stewart was acceptable let alone great. Replacing him with someone BETTER would have been fine.

The problem is we didn't accomplish that goal.

I feel Dana is better than Stewart, but that doesn't mean I think he's good. The team looked better under Dana his only year in the Big East than Stewart's teams that he Mullenized.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Actually, his only year in the big East, we had the same conference record Stewart had each year, and Dana had the benefit of Geno having a full year as a starter under his belt and Tavon and Stedman catching the ball.

We weren't better, because RECORDS COUNT. Plus, it is pure speculation to claim Stewart himself could not have posted a better record with the team that was returning.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Ok. This program has won and won big before. This program is miles from that path and I can't think of a time since Nehlen's last 2-3 years where we were further from that path.

We went from a team that was a featured program in the media to an after thought. The cost for this product has not lowered to match the product on the field and has no plans to do so (nor should it).

Your bend is that fans won't stay away. I assume you also think the boosters will stay loyal. That's a lot of money to gamble on what has been a sub-par coach. I'm not sure our AD is willing to go all-in on Dana when gambling literally millions of dollars. Dana's production has not justified that gamble.

How's that for a non-analogy?

Actually, his only year in the big East, we had the same conference record Stewart had each year, and Dana had the benefit of Geno having a full year as a starter under his belt and Tavon and Stedman to throw too.

We weren't better, because RECORDS COUNT. Plus, it is pure speculation to claim Stewart himself could not have posted a better record with the team that was returning.

I feel the team was better. They won close games when necessary. The offense was better. They also went on to win an Orange Bowl in record fashion - compared to Stewart's NC State and FSU showings.

I think OUTCOMES count, and in one season Dana did something Stewart never did, even though he was handed a really great team to start with (PW, Devine).

 

[TruWVblu]

I feel Dana is better than Stewart, but that doesn't mean I think he's good. The team looked better under Dana his only year in the Big East than Stewart's teams that he Mullenized.

Really? Stewart never lost to Syracuse by almost 30 points twice and by over 30 to Maryland. It is so easy to make these type statements. I have no idea how Stewart would have done in the Big 12, but I do know he did just as well, if not better in the BE. And his teams never looked as unprepared and undisciplined as they have at times under Holgorsen. Stewart's problem is that he was not willing to improve the offense by getting rid of his buddy, Mullens, and it cost him. But lets be fair.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Really? Stewart never lost to Syracuse by almost 30 points twice and by over 30 to Maryland. It is so easy to make these type statements. I have no idea how Stewart would have done in the Big 12, but I do know he did just as well, if not better in the BE. And his teams never looked as unprepared and undisciplined as they have at times under Holgorsen. Stewart's problem is that he was not willing to improve the offense by getting rid of his buddy, Mullens, and it cost him. But lets be fair.

StewJesus, StewJesus, StewJesus....every post, like clockwork.

Those arguments go the other way. Stewart never took the team to a BCS, Dana never almost lost to Marshall. Dana didn't lose to UConn. Stewart lost to Syracuse as well.

Like I said, this is all about Stewart and his Cult of Hank - their Followers will not rest. TruWVblu is leading the procession to the kool-aid stand. The University of Bill Stewart.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

God, you just keep defying the odds and getting even more moronic.

The choice we face is not between Dana and Stewart. Stewart is dead.

It's you complete and utter morons who persist in trying to defend Dana by blaming his piss poor performance on Stewart -- FIVE FREAKING YEARS LATER-- who are obsessed.

For God's sake, you are an idiot of the lowest order.

 

[mwhals]

Snip...

But its TCU who just came in the conference when we did and Baylor, who has a history of 2-5 win seasons for decades. If they can, WVU sure as hell can. And just my opinion, it takes a different path than the one currently being traveled.

Baylor and TCU have something WVU does not have - lot's of home state high school talent. That is why they can turn it around faster than WVU.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

God, you just keep defying the odds and getting even more moronic.

The choice we face is not between Dana and Stewart. Stewart is dead.

It's you complete and utter morons who persist in trying to defend Dana by blaming his piss poor performance on Stewart -- FIVE FREAKING YEARS LATER-- who are obsessed.

For God's sake, you are an idiot of the lowest order.

Since you've joined this board, every post you've made was about Stewart's greatness. It's all about tearing Dana down so Stewart looks better. I have no loyalty to Dana, we can fire him. But I won't be one of you and intentional rip him apart just so Stewart can get some shine back.

You're an agenda driven hack serving your master Stewart (and Hank).

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Ding!!
Another top of the scale moron comment.

Show me one post I wrote even suggesting Stewart was great.

You morons think that if you just make $#!#up and repeat it, it becomes true.

I had no problem with Stewart being replaced. I would have preferred he was never hired and was given a job travelling around reliving his moment of glory at fundraisers.

What I oppose was idiotic HCIW blunder and the decision to hire someone who was not better than Stewart and then give him a ridiculously long extension right off the bat. It was a foolish, reckless, unnecessary gamble to hire a totally unproven flavor of the month with a thin resume. Luck showed incredibly poor judgment on all scores.

None of that has anything to do with Stewart. My only point that relates to Stewart is if you think he was bad, then you have ZERO basis for arguing Dana isn't as well.

I don't even know wtf "Hank" means. All I know is you are stupid beyond words.

 

[TruWVblu]

StewJesus, StewJesus, StewJesus....every post, like clockwork.

Those arguments go the other way. Stewart never took the team to a BCS, Dana never almost lost to Marshall. Dana didn't lose to UConn. Stewart lost to Syracuse as well.

Like I said, this is all about Stewart and his Cult of Hank - their Followers will not rest. TruWVblu is leading the procession to the kool-aid stand. The University of Bill Stewart.

Of course this is not all about Stewart, and truth be told, he needed to be replaced based on his unwillingness to replace his OC. With that said, the standards of what is acceptable for our head coach should not have diminished so considerably. By the way, Stewart was mentioned in my post in response to yours, which is the case a lot of times with those of you who are truly obsessed with the man.

 

[WarezEER]

Of course this is not all about Stewart, and truth be told, he needed to be replaced based on his unwillingness to replace his OC. With that said, the standards of what is acceptable for our head coach should not have diminished so considerably. By the way, Stewart was mentioned in my post in response to yours, which is the case a lot of times with those of you who are truly obsessed with the man.

Let's think for a moment. Has Dana replaced staff members that needed to be replaced? No! They still around with that hat turned backwards and a dip of Skoal between cheek and gum..............getting paid big bucks. And so it goes...................Skoal brother.

 

[20Wildcat]

Now show us schedule strength trends over that time............. it is a FACT that our double-digit win season in the BE came once the better programs left for the ACC (BC, VT, Miami)

Actually, it's a FACT, we won 11 games in 1993 in the BE and those teams were all there. 11 is a double-digit number, isn't it?

 

[NC EnginEER]

I don't understand the logic that since we're playing tougher competition it is completely acceptable to not expect to win any of those games. If we're playing better competition, then is it not the head coaches job to elevate the program so that we can compete? Isn't it obvious that Dana has not elevated the program and, in fact, may be weakening it? I thought we were supposed to start getting better recruits when we joined a "big time" conference so that we could compete with the other teams in the B12. We're no where close to that right now.

 

[Leave No Doubt WVU]

WVU was not a preseason top 25 team and had questions concerning WR, QB and Offensive Line..

Are losses to Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor and TCU now considered "bad losses" and are worth firing a coach over?

Moment of clearity.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

No one wanted to answer the question of who was the last unsuccessful WVU coach to last as long as Dana.

Answer Gene Corum, 1960-65.

0-8-2
4-6
8-2
4-6
7-4
6-4

And, he was not fired. This, however, shows times have changed:


http://archives.chicagotribune.com/...ticle/gene-corum-coach-of-west-virginia-quits

Gene Corum, expressing bitter disappointment with his own abilities, resigned today as head football coach at West Virginia University

"I just haven't been satisfied with the job I've been doing," Corum said. "I wanted to do a little better and didn't know what else to do but quit"

He was 29-30-2 overall. 29-22 for his last 5 years. Obviously, he didn't take the financial hit a coach would take today by quitting but isn't that refreshing?

 

[BCSE1951]

I don't understand the logic that since we're playing tougher competition it is completely acceptable to not expect to win any of those games. If we're playing better competition, then is it not the head coaches job to elevate the program so that we can compete? Isn't it obvious that Dana has not elevated the program and, in fact, may be weakening it? I thought we were supposed to start getting better recruits when we joined a "big time" conference so that we could compete with the other teams in the B12. We're no where close to that right now.

nuts!!!!!!!!!!!! we need someone that can evaluate QB's.............

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Of course this is not all about Stewart, and truth be told, he needed to be replaced based on his unwillingness to replace his OC. With that said, the standards of what is acceptable for our head coach should not have diminished so considerably. By the way, Stewart was mentioned in my post in response to yours, which is the case a lot of times with those of you who are truly obsessed with the man.

look in the mirror. You never post unless it's about Bill Stewart. You know nothing about football. I guess it's all you got to post about.

 

[eers1foru]

We lost every game big enough to hang out hat on. The rest of the teams on our schedule suck. At best we can suck less than a way Down Texas, a bad TTu, a bad K-State, and cellar dwellers ISU and Kansas. None of which are likely to finish with a winning record. And let's not forget we looked outright awful in our losses. Weren't even competitive in three of the four. And we are five years in. QB play is awful. Defense is regressing. Once again we show no improvement once the season starts. We actually get worse.

 

[TruWVblu]

look in the mirror. You never post unless it's about Bill Stewart. You know nothing about football. I guess it's all you got to post about.

I know as much about football as you do and much more about coaching. I have been a head baseball coach for over 25 years. You are not only obsessed with Bill Stewart, but you are obsessed with me. You can't help but to respond to everything I say. You make unprovoked personal attacks on people who disagree with you. I have never said degrading things to you.