An idea kills a man in Denver

[moe]

My question is, where are the right wingers saying bringing a can of mace to a gun fight isn't too bright? People who want to mix it up with protestors while bringing mace and/or guns with them would be better served by staying home, obviously. This was two men with poor judgement making terrible decisions. One is dead and the other likely headed to prison. Where is the criticism of security companies who hire unqualified people? The criticism of the tv station is very weak trolling.

 

[Gunny46]

In this tread, liberals lose any respect they had (not much...but now nothing). You know they are cheering this and wish the news would have done this earlier.

Notice NBC saying it was a dueling protest between right-wing and left-wing. What was the name of the so called right-wing group? Has that group committed any crimes? Are they really right wing or just a small group of people who oppose communist, socialism, and anarchy? People need to wake up because the far left group that was there are known communist/Marxist. They are going to continue to label everyone that opposes them as racist and fascist to justify their actions. I have posted the past two years many liberals even sounding the alarm about their Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures.

 

[Gunny46]

My question is, where are the right wingers saying bringing a can of mace to a gun fight isn't too bright? People who want to mix it up with protestors while bringing mace and/or guns with them would be better served by staying home, obviously. This was two men with poor judgement making terrible decisions. One is dead and the other likely headed to prison. Where is the criticism of security companies who hire unqualified people? The criticism of the tv station is very weak trolling.

You defending the media that hired a communist to kill a Trump supporter is pathetic. Maybe the guy had mace because he's seen all the damage the far left has done the past couple of years and he didn't want to get beat up while supporting the police. Maybe he didn't bring a gun because he had no intentions to kill anyone. Unlike your far left buddies who are past 30 deaths this year.

 

[Pospecteer]

My question is, where are the right wingers saying bringing a can of mace to a gun fight isn't too bright? People who want to mix it up with protestors while bringing mace and/or guns with them would be better served by staying home, obviously. This was two men with poor judgement making terrible decisions. One is dead and the other likely headed to prison. Where is the criticism of security companies who hire unqualified people? The criticism of the tv station is very weak trolling.

Honestly. where do you come up with this stuff...Just another attempt to victim shame...only this time its the MSM doing the killing and there is no getting around that...The MSM killed a Trump supporter.

There is some evidence that the reporter hired this guy to start a fight in order to narrate a false story. It went sideways. This is where the security guard stuff is coming from, but in fact they paid him under the table to "be the story", to stage a confrontation that they thought would hurt Trump...like always...they were 100% wrong.

 

[rog1187]

My question is, where are the right wingers saying bringing a can of mace to a gun fight isn't too bright? People who want to mix it up with protestors while bringing mace and/or guns with them would be better served by staying home, obviously. This was two men with poor judgement making terrible decisions. One is dead and the other likely headed to prison. Where is the criticism of security companies who hire unqualified people? The criticism of the tv station is very weak trolling.

Depends on who the aggressor was. It appeared in photo timelines I saw that the victim was backing away from the left-wing killer. I want to know why the victim had slapped at the left-wing killer - was the left-wing killer provoking the incident? It appears that the left-wing killer had actually drawn his weapon before or at the very least when the victim had raised his non-lethal pepper spray.

 

[moe]

Depends on who the aggressor was. It appeared in photo timelines I saw that the victim was backing away from the left-wing killer. I want to know why the victim had slapped at the left-wing killer - was the left-wing killer provoking the incident? It appears that the left-wing killer had actually drawn his weapon before or at the very least when the victim had raised his non-lethal pepper spray.

I'll be surprised if the security guard doesn't go to prison.

 

[Gunny46]

Depends on who the aggressor was. It appeared in photo timelines I saw that the victim was backing away from the left-wing killer. I want to know why the victim had slapped at the left-wing killer - was the left-wing killer provoking the incident? It appears that the left-wing killer had actually drawn his weapon before or at the very least when the victim had raised his non-lethal pepper spray.

He murdered the guy.

 

[Gunny46]

I'll be surprised if the security guard doesn't go to prison.

He wasn't a security guard. He was a communist activist that NBC hired.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Depends on who the aggressor was. It appeared in photo timelines I saw that the victim was backing away from the left-wing killer. I want to know why the victim had slapped at the left-wing killer - was the left-wing killer provoking the incident? It appears that the left-wing killer had actually drawn his weapon before or at the very least when the victim had raised his non-lethal pepper spray.

Castle doctrine protocol - if the guy gives up/retreats, you are no longer in a threat situation and can no longer legally defend yourself. He's going to jail.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Denver police identify suspect in fatal shooting near dueling protests

bullshit article covering up the shooting and they know damn well about the background of this murderer. We’ve all seen it but here is the articles response:

“After the shooting, social media posts linked to Dolloff to the anti-fascist movement, but in an apparent response Sunday, the police department said it was “unaware of whether the suspect is personally affiliated with any political organization.”

They can’t even be honest in an article that suppose to be factual and 8nfirm people. Shows you who the true enemy of the people is.

 

[moe]

bullshit article covering up the shooting and they know damn well about the background of this murderer. We’ve all seen it but here is the articles response:

“After the shooting, social media posts linked to Dolloff to the anti-fascist movement, but in an apparent response Sunday, the police department said it was “unaware of whether the suspect is personally affiliated with any political organization.”

They can’t even be honest in an article that suppose to be factual and 8nfirm people. Shows you who the true enemy of the people is.

Where is the dishonesty?

 

[moe]

Castle doctrine protocol - if the guy gives up/retreats, you are no longer in a threat situation and can no longer legally defend yourself. He's going to jail.

but what if he retreats then blasts the other guy with pepper spray? I would say the response (shooting) was disproportionate but the court will decide.

 

[TarHeelEer]

but what if he retreats then blasts the other guy with pepper spray? I would say the response (shooting) was disproportionate but the court will decide.

He drew the gun prior to the pepper spray. And yes, a court will decide.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Where is the dishonesty?

the police department knew what political affiliation he was with. It took the internet minutes to find out and you’re telling me that a whole police department is too stupid to find out.

 

[moe]

Traditionally, the “Castle Doctrine” refers to the right of a person, while in their own home, to use deadly force in self-defense without first having to attempt to retreat. While Colorado law generally does not require retreat before acting in self-defense (even outside the home), Colorado has adopted a statutory form of the Castle Doctrine that allows a person to use any degree of force against a person “when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant” (found in C.R.S. 18-1-704.5).

 

[moe]

the police department knew what political affiliation he was with. It took the internet minutes to find out and you’re telling me that a whole police department is too stupid to find out.

So you're mad at the police. You're fascinated with the man's politics and the police are more interested in what actually took place at the scene. I'm sure the prosecution will bring up the man's politics but unless something was said there to indicate the politics played a role and there are witnesses, I wouldn't expect politics to play too big of a role in the trial. Do you really believe that the police are unaware of the shooter's background? Police spokespersons can say whatever they want. They don't have to tell all they know when asked. So far you're working on media and police conspiracy theories. I can't wait to hear about the next sinister plot.

 

[Gunny46]

So you're mad at the police. You're fascinated with the man's politics and the police are more interested in what actually took place at the scene. I'm sure the prosecution will bring up the man's politics but unless something was said there to indicate the politics played a role and there are witnesses, I wouldn't expect politics to play too big of a role in the trial. Do you really believe that the police are unaware of the shooter's background? Police spokespersons can say whatever they want. They don't have to tell all they know when asked. So far you're working on media and police conspiracy theories. I can't wait to hear about the next sinister plot.

Hey moron, His social media tells everyone he was a communist who hated the police. He shot a Trump supporter who was there to support police. There is no conspiracy theroy. We all saw the video. The only thing in doubt is if the local government in Denver has become as corrupt as Portland.

 

[Gunny46]

Listen!!!

 

[BigLickMountee]

ANTIFA member shoots and kills a man in a Denver march...ANTIFA...just an idea that kills.

BREAKING: Conservative shot and killed by NBC News affiliate’s security guard at ‘Patriot Rally’ in Denver

A shooting in Denver on Saturday afternoon at a “BLM-Antifa Soup Drive” has left a conservative demonstrator dead, whom police say was shot and killed by a security guard hired by NBC News affiliate 9NEWS.

thepostmillennial.com

My initial thoughts this was over drug.

Seems like Colorado's relevance to the national scene is drug related.

 

[Gunny46]

 

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[mule_eer]

https://www.9news.com/article/news/...video/73-a5a0a0e9-11b1-4d7d-972d-7b2a25fd1173

 

[Gunny46]

https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/unlicensed-security-guard-matthew-dolloff-shooting-probable-cause -statement-video/73-a5a0a0e9-11b1-4d7d-972d-7b2a25fd1173

FYI Channel nine news "hired" the murder. There is no justifying it. However with Antifa members getting elected it wouldn't surprise me if the local politicians don't try to get him off.

 

[mule_eer]

FYI Channel nine news "hired" the murder. There is no justifying it.

Did you watch the video? According to the station and Pinkerton, the station had a contract for security through Pinkerton. Pinkerton hired this particular guy through another security contractor. That does not mean that the shooter is innocent of charges, but the video of the altercation shows the shooting victim as the initial aggressor, at least with respect to what led to him getting shot. It's not clear how the altercation the camera crew was filming started.

 

[Gunny46]

Did you watch the video? According to the station and Pinkerton, the station had a contract for security through Pinkerton. Pinkerton hired this particular guy through another security contractor. That does not mean that the shooter is innocent of charges, but the video of the altercation shows the shooting victim as the initial aggressor, at least with respect to what led to him getting shot. It's not clear how the altercation the camera crew was filming started.

Go back through this thread. There is plenty of evidence a communist killed that man. In no way is that a justified shooting. Pinkerton and Channel 9 news should get their ass sued off for not verifying his credentials.

 

[mule_eer]

Go back through this thread. There is plenty of evidence a communist killed that man. In no way is that a justified shooting. Pinkerton and Channel 9 news should get their ass sued off for not verifying his credentials.

If you are carrying and someone carrying pepper spray (or was it mace) with the canister in hand smacks you and tells you that he's going to f you up, what's your reaction? If the guy has about 50 pounds on you, does that change your reaction? I realize that you don't think this is a justified shooting. I just wonder what you would do in that situation personally.

I agree that the fact that the shooter wasn't a licensed security guard is a problem for all involved. I think that's a bigger problem for Pinkerton than the station, and I think the family of the victim has a wrongful death case. I don't think the state can make a first degree murder case stick. Could they get him on second degree or manslaughter? I think that depends on the jury.

 

[Mntneer]

Did you watch the video? According to the station and Pinkerton, the station had a contract for security through Pinkerton. Pinkerton hired this particular guy through another security contractor. That does not mean that the shooter is innocent of charges, but the video of the altercation shows the shooting victim as the initial aggressor, at least with respect to what led to him getting shot. It's not clear how the altercation the camera crew was filming started.

It was bang bang.... the moment you hear the start of the pepper spray, a split second later you hear the gun shot.

I'd wager he started his draw before he got sprayed.

 

[Gunny46]

If you are carrying and someone carrying pepper spray (or was it mace) with the canister in hand smacks you and tells you that he's going to f you up, what's your reaction? If the guy has about 50 pounds on you, does that change your reaction? I realize that you don't think this is a justified shooting. I just wonder what you would do in that situation personally.

I agree that the fact that the shooter wasn't a licensed security guard is a problem for all involved. I think that's a bigger problem for Pinkerton than the station, and I think the family of the victim has a wrongful death case. I don't think the state can make a first degree murder case stick. Could they get him on second degree or manslaughter? I think that depends on the jury.

The station defends Antifa all the time. They should of verifed. In no way is this a justified shooting. Denver on the road to becoming Portland, Seattle, and California.

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[Gunny46]

It was bang bang.... the moment you hear the start of the pepper spray, a split second later you hear the gun shot.

I'd wager he started his draw before he got sprayed.

You can't shoot someone with pepper spray with numerous cops standing around.

 

[mule_eer]

It was bang bang.... the moment you hear the start of the pepper spray, a split second later you hear the gun shot.

I'd wager he started his draw before he got sprayed.

I think you're right. I think Dolloff was aware of the pepper spray in Keltner's hand though. Does that give Dolloff justification to shoot? You could probably present that case to 10 different juries and get at least a few different results.

 

[Gunny46]

I think you're right. I think Dolloff was aware of the pepper spray in Keltner's hand though. Does that give Dolloff justification to shoot? You could probably present that case to 10 different juries and get at least a few different results.

Just stop. In no way does that meet the basic standard of great bodily harm or death. There were numerous policemen in close proximity. The only way he gets off is if all members of the jury are Antifa or all the local politicians are Antifa. Portland is about to elect an open Antifa member so Denver probably has several in the closet.

 

[mule_eer]

The station defends Antifa all the time. They should of verifed. In no way is this a justified shooting. Denver on the road to becoming Portland, Seattle, and California.

I agree that they should have verified his credentials, but I think they made the bad assumption that he worked directly for Pinkerton. Does that protect them in a civil suit? Maybe, but maybe not.

It's easy to make claims that 9news supports antifa, but saying that without evidence seems sketchy. I was on the site and searched for antifa. I'm not sure where you are getting that info, because nothing was pro-antifa that I saw.

 

[Mntneer]

I think you're right. I think Dolloff was aware of the pepper spray in Keltner's hand though. Does that give Dolloff justification to shoot? You could probably present that case to 10 different juries and get at least a few different results.

It would depend. If someone is going to pepper spray me, and I believe they plan on causing my bodily harm while I'm incapacitated, then potentially I would be justified in defending myself ahead of time.

But as Gunny pointed out... with LE literally right there... I think that defense fades away quickly.

 

[Gunny46]

I agree that they should have verified his credentials, but I think they made the bad assumption that he worked directly for Pinkerton. Does that protect them in a civil suit? Maybe, but maybe not.

It's easy to make claims that 9news supports antifa, but saying that without evidence seems sketchy. I was on the site and searched for antifa. I'm not sure where you are getting that info, because nothing was pro-antifa that I saw.

There are several examples of them defending the IDEA.

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[mule_eer]

There are several examples of them defending the IDEA.

Great. Show me an example.

 

[Gunny46]

It would depend. If someone is going to pepper spray me, and I believe they plan on causing my bodily harm while I'm incapacitated, then potentially I would be justified in defending myself ahead of time.

But as Gunny pointed out... with LE literally right there... I think that defense fades away quickly.

Pepper spray does incapacitate. It just burns. Matter of fact it doesn't even slow me down. Same for others. If he would have attempted to grab his gun then it would have been justified. Like you said LE was right there. He should be charged with Murder IMO. What degree is the only real argument in my mind.

 

[Gunny46]

Great. Show me an example.

There in this thread and others. Others posted it also. The Democrat party has been infiltrated but you keep defending them. Any comment on this leader of the Democrat Party. He really proves the point I have been making over the past year.

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[mule_eer]

There in this thread and others. Others posted it also. The Democrat party has been infiltrated but you keep defending them. Any comment on this leader of the Democrat Party. He really proves the point I have been making over the past year.

I'm talking about 9news. You are giving examples of some whackos on the Dem board in Weld County, a county that unsuccessfully tried to secede from the state of Colorado in the last decade. I'm not surprised there are whackos in Weld County, on either side of the political spectrum.

 

[Gunny46]

I'm talking about 9news. You are giving examples of some whackos on the Dem board in Weld County, a county that unsuccessfully tried to secede from the state of Colorado in the last decade. I'm not surprised there are whackos in Weld County, on either side of the political spectrum.

There tons of examples of channel 9 news personal defending Antifa just like you are defending them now. Just an Idea.