After wins against TT and Texas - should Lyons extend DH's contract now or wait?

[wbgvwbgv]

"Surely you don't actually believe that a coach with a winning record in probably the toughest conference top to bottom is in jeopardy of losing his job? "


4-5
2-7
5-4
(2-4)

13-20

This is not a "winning record." Even if we win out, the WP will improve only to .444. If we lose one of the last three, we will have endured losing records in 3 of our 4 years in the conference and have a WP of .416. In four years, we have never finished closer than 3 games to a tie for 1st, or higher than 5th.

Excluding the BE year, which we keep getting told counts for nothing whatsoever, we are 23-24 under Holgorsen, also not a "winning record."

NOBODY who is not a homer believes the Big 12 is the toughest conference and even most Big 12 homers would not make such a claim.

We are 1 loss from having the same record we had in 2012, which everyone agreed at the time was a major disappointment and excused by "inexperience" and "transition."

How long can one remain inexperienced? How long should a transition require? (I guess we can ignore the long since discarded boasts that Dana was ideal for the transition to the Big 12 due to his familiarity with it).

Now the excuses are that we are such poor, disadvantaged, hopeless program that it is unrealistic to expect us to do better, so shut up and be happy because it is impossible to do better.

Amazing what 4 years of struggling can do to cause a complete 180 in the "thinking" of some. Joining the Big 12 has gone from a golden opportunity and a potential springboard to ultimate success to an insurmountable burden to even being above average on a frequent basis.

ALL of the Dana fanboys justify his lack of achievement by: (1) Denigrating everything we accomplished prior to him and attacking our prior coaches and teams as paper tigers; and (2) claiming that literally everything other than his coaching is the cause for the current struggles and that we just can't compete at a level above what we are seeing because it's just too darn hard now. That this mindset has infected even a small portion of our fanbase is quite sad.

You are trying too hard low IQ drifter. Dana has a winning overall record at a WVU along with one losing season (2013) and you can write that year off to a depleted roster and injuries. Throw that outlier year out and his record isn't bad for transitioning into a power conference plus to be fair you can't count this season until it is over. I would feel a lot worse if we had a great record, but were stuck in the AAC playing a Marshall like schedule against schools not in a power conference.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

You pointedly ignore the option of having good records now. It's not either perpetually suck or leave the Power 5.

We are 20-28 against all Power 5 competition under Dana. The overall winning record is built on wins over patsies (which apparently only count for Dana).

Against Power 5 teams not named Kansas. Maryland and ISU, the record dips to 12-25.

You can brag on that all you want. You're entitled to your chosen standards of success. just don't make such an ass of yourself repeatedly when others reject your personal conception of success.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Big 12 Records since we joined:

1. OU 26-8
2. Baylor 25-8
3. OSU 23-11
4. KSU 20-13
5t. TCU 20-14
5t. Texas 20-14

7. WVU 13-20
8. TTU 13-22
9. ISU 7-27
10 Kansas 2-32

We are exactly the same margin (6 1/2 games) from even being tied for 5th as we are from being tied with ISU for 9th. We are closer to last place (and a VERY bad last place) than we are to second place.

This is where we are and will be, and the goal has to be to compete WHERE WE ARE.

Silly boasts that in an imaginary world where we were in a different league playing different teams we might be better mean nothing. Most are not going to accept the defeatist position that we cannot and should not do a lot better than this in this league.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

"Surely you don't actually believe that a coach with a winning record in probably the toughest conference top to bottom is in jeopardy of losing his job? "


4-5
2-7
5-4
(2-4)

13-20

This is not a "winning record." Even if we win out, the WP will improve only to .444. If we lose one of the last three, we will have endured losing records in 3 of our 4 years in the conference and have a WP of .416. In four years, we have never finished closer than 3 games to a tie for 1st, or higher than 5th.

Excluding the BE year, which we keep getting told counts for nothing whatsoever, we are 23-24 under Holgorsen, also not a "winning record."

NOBODY who is not a homer believes the Big 12 is the toughest conference and even most Big 12 homers would not make such a claim.

We are 1 loss from having the same record we had in 2012, which everyone agreed at the time was a major disappointment and excused by "inexperience" and "transition."

How long can one remain inexperienced? How long should a transition require? (I guess we can ignore the long since discarded boasts that Dana was ideal for the transition to the Big 12 due to his familiarity with it).

Now the excuses are that we are such poor, disadvantaged, hopeless program that it is unrealistic to expect us to do better, so shut up and be happy because it is impossible to do better.

Amazing what 4 years of struggling can do to cause a complete 180 in the "thinking" of some. Joining the Big 12 has gone from a golden opportunity and a potential springboard to ultimate success to an insurmountable burden to even being above average on a frequent basis.

ALL of the Dana fanboys justify his lack of achievement by: (1) Denigrating everything we accomplished prior to him and attacking our prior coaches and teams as paper tigers; and (2) claiming that literally everything other than his coaching is the cause for the current struggles and that we just can't compete at a level above what we are seeing because it's just too darn hard now. That this mindset has infected even a small portion of our fanbase is quite sad.

You write a novel over and over and over again to say the same thing: Dana sucks and should be fired.

Obviously not everyone shares that opinion, and it's not exactly cut and dry one way or the other. Just because someone doesn't want to fire the coach doesn't make them a "fan boy"

FYI - I support a coaching change.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Well, I thought people like facts? Wins and losses and the opponents who account for the wins and account for the losses are actual facts.

Excuses, distortions, imaginary wins over teams we don't play and dismissing all past accomplishments by all past teams and coaches are not facts.

I get the old saying, when the facts are on your side, pound on the facts, when the facts are not on your side pound on the table.

It is true that not wanting to fire Dana does not necessarily make one an idiotic fanboy. It's also true that his persistent defenders here fit that description to a T.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

"You write a novel over and over and over again to say the same thing: Dana sucks and should be fired."

It that really what "drifter" has been rambling about for the last 4 weeks - Dana sucks? I thought it was about how competitive the Big 12 was and how lucky WVU was to finally get into a power conference. LOL.