According to who.
WV at best has equal talent to Oklahoma St, TCU and Baylor. Your expectations is what ruined Dana and will ruin Neal Brown.
WV will never win at their Big East level in the Big 12 until they can recruit like Oklahoma and Texas.
To all of the Dana Lovers
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According to who.
WV at best has equal talent to Oklahoma St, TCU and Baylor. Your expectations is what ruined Dana and will ruin Neal Brown.
WV will never win at their Big East level in the Big 12 until they can recruit like Oklahoma and Texas.
Yea
Would have been great to see how many more cheerleaders or admins he could bang
First, I didn't.
Second, you are choosing to bring something up 3 months after he's gone for no reason whatsoever. What is there to talk about? Your post has an incredible amount of inaccuracies in both spelling and overall content. Dana was not the best guy ever, he had a lot of issues both professionally and personally, and it was time for him to move on and we are better off for it. Being bitter and trying to make it sound as if you were right all along is absurd. If you liked him, you think he did a good job and now he's gone. If you didn't, you thought he sucked and now he's gone. See how the end result is the same? Move on...
At Oklahoma St...
The formation is the classic full house backfield.
Never used out of the spread.
Pretty much 12 personal with the Tight ends as H Backs or what they called Cowboy Backs at Oklahoma St.
Was used at WV when Dana first started.
As always Dana is always trying to be on the cutting edge and change things.
One of the problems of the diamond formation is the inability to use the Tight ends as deep passing threats.
Wesco in 2018 was because Dana adjusted and began to use Tight Ends/HBack in more conventional ways
Mainly because the inverted Tampa 2 that Iowa St used and that Texas copied.
If I remember right, Dana was supposed to be HCIW for a year under Gomer. Then Gomer talked to the PPG and spilled dirt on Dana. Ollie had no choice but to can him.
2012 West Virginia 7–6 4–5 T–5th
2013 West Virginia 4–8 2–7 T–7th
2014 West Virginia 7–6 5–4 T–4th
2015 West Virginia 8–5 4–5 T–5th
2016 West Virginia 10–3 7–2 T–2nd
2017 West Virginia 7–6 5–4 T–4th
2018 West Virginia 8–4 6–3 T–3rd
If you are expecting a 2 win improvement from Neal Brown every year....
I think your expectations are out of touch with reality.
Like what was said earlier..
It will be the same thing. People will blame Neal Brown because he can't do something that Oklahoma hasn't been able to do and that is win 9+ games a year for an extended period.
2013 West Virginia 4–8 2–7 T–7th
2014 West Virginia 7–6 5–4 T–4th
2015 West Virginia 8–5 4–5 T–5th
2016 West Virginia 10–3 7–2 T–2nd
2017 West Virginia 7–6 5–4 T–4th
2018 West Virginia 8–4 6–3 T–3rd
If you are expecting a 2 win improvement from Neal Brown every year....
I think your expectations are out of touch with reality.
Like what was said earlier..
It will be the same thing. People will blame Neal Brown because he can't do something that Oklahoma hasn't been able to do and that is win 9+ games a year for an extended period.
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Barry Switzer 16 years avg. 9.8 wins a year. (back when the season was 11 games)
Bud Wilkerson 17 years avg 8.5 wins a year (this is when they only played 10 games a season)
Bob Stoops 19 yrs avg 10.5 wins a year
Talking about the Big 12...
Oklahoma has won 9+ games at the most 5 seasons in a row.
They have a 4-5 year stretch and they have a down year.
WV doesn't have the ceiling Oklahoma has right now. They could. But Oklahoma has deep recruiting ties in Texas and California.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/oklahoma/index.html
All starts at QB...
Greene from Florida looks like a legit Big 12 QB.
Oklahoma has Rattler.
Texas probably will have #1 2021 QB Preston Stone.
If not they have Hudson Card and will get a verbal from Ja'Quinden Jackson.
Greene from Florida looks like a legit Big 12 QB.
Oklahoma has Rattler.
Texas probably will have #1 2021 QB Preston Stone.
If not they have Hudson Card and will get a verbal from Ja'Quinden Jackson.
So Neal Brown will have a harder time meeting the expectations of the W Virginia fanbase.
Point is....
Neal Brown is probably a great coach.
But...none of the coaches who moved up were losing at the G5 level or FCS level.
Matt Campbell
Tom Herman
Matt Wells
Matt Rhule
Chris Klieman
Gary Patterson when TCU was in the MWC and CUSA.
No, the expectation where set by Ollie at the presser when Dana was made head coach
Ok, this is where the Ollie PR machine kicks in. If you go back to the presser making Dana the head coach a reporter ask Ollie about the reports coming from the PPG(rumor has it this reporter was told to ask the question) and Ollie responded by saying that this was not true and he was not aware of the stories linked to the paper. Now, why is this such a big deal. Because Ollie needed this issue put to rest in a very public way to keep from getting sued. How did this rumor about the PPG get started? No one really knows but Ollie put that to rest.
There is a new book out regarding the changes in Defense.
Amazon product ASIN 1790429722Hopefully Neal Brown is the type of coach that can stay on the cutting edge.
Dana was. Dana wasn't afraid of innovation.
Certain college coaches...aren't so lucky.
The games passes them by.
Rich Rodriguez was one.
Amazon product ASIN 1790429722Hopefully Neal Brown is the type of coach that can stay on the cutting edge.
Dana was. Dana wasn't afraid of innovation.
Certain college coaches...aren't so lucky.
The games passes them by.
Rich Rodriguez was one.
You do realize the Big 12 has improved since Dana's first years so Neal may struggle some until he can get his kids in place. Dana left him with almost no talent on defense
Neal is on the cutting of edge of how to motivate kids. It has changed just in the last 5 years and guys like Huggs and Rod are having a more difficult time motivating kids by screaming. Sad but is the facts. Huggs can pull it off because you need less kids so you can take your time recruiting but football is different and look how Neal is do it now
If WV wins...
Teams will figure out your weaknesses and exploit them.
The Big 12 has became one of the better conferences because of coaching.
A lot of what you see elsewhere originated from the Big 12 and more importantly Texas High School Football.
This is why WV thought DH was a great fit for WV in the Big 12.
Neal Brown has ties to the conference as well.
I think our kids are going to play harder then anyone else in the Big 12. Our kids are going to bust people in the ass.
Dana stayed in front of the curve on offense....but Gibby never really made changes on defense to keep people off balance.....
I agree on Gibson.
He ran an odd man front but not the type that was needed because he needed a LB as a hybrid.
I like the Kyle Whittingham line of the odd man front. What they do at LSU and Texas.
I liked Gibson's attacking style but he didn't have the CB to live on the blitz.
Its this attitude that upsets me....we should expect to play at a high level and Don Nehlen pulled it off so we know it can be done....Don won at a high level once every four or five years....that is fair expectation...
That's one of the reasons why "Hank Hill" was pushed out. He didn't buy into Oliver Luck and his PR machine. Many other posters and some mods (excluding Vernon) on here use to attack users who would speak out against Oliver Luck and the new hiring of Dana.
Ollie didn't do everything bad...but he was working OT to cover for Dana and his many mistakes....in all fairness...Ollie was in a bad spot...he wanted his own football coach and he was getting lots of push back...then the HCIW thing blew up and a ton of fighting within the athletic department took place while at the same time Dana was out drinking all over the state creating a mess...then add in Dana would not get out of bed for the 6:00 spring practices...then Stew passed away and he was not invited to the services where a lot of Ollie's former teammates and coaches would be attending......then Dana would continue to be a problem with hiring staff, drinking, and gambling.....honestly it was crazy Ollie was able to keep that circus together....the guy from Penn State was brought in for a reason
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Well in fairness, Ollie was watching the media and social outlets to see who was supporting the company line so it was a difficult time...no one wants a press pass pulled...the sad thing is Clements, Ollie, and Dana were all short-timers and Dana wanted out when Geno left...someone did mention in this thread that the biggest issue was Ollie offering Dana the contract ext.....
Neal Brown was one of the better coaches in the entire Sun Belt Conference.
Didn't Dana.
He had 2011 and 2016
Plus Don Nehlen is a College Hall of Fame coach.
So saying Neal Brown should win at the level of a Hall of Fame coach is a reach.
1980 West Virginia 6–6
1981 West Virginia 9–3
1982 West Virginia 9–3
1983 West Virginia 9–3
1984 West Virginia 8–4
1985 West Virginia 7–3–1
1986 West Virginia 4–7
1987 West Virginia 6–6
1988 West Virginia 11–1
1989 West Virginia 8–3–1
1990 West Virginia 4–7
West Virginia Mountaineers (Big East Conference) (1991–2000)
1991 West Virginia 6–5 3–4 4th
1992 West Virginia 5–4–2 2–3–1 5th
1993 West Virginia 11–1 7–0 1st
1994 West Virginia 7–6 4–3 T–3rd
1995 West Virginia 5–6 4–3 T–4th
1996 West Virginia 8–4 4–3 4th
1997 West Virginia 7–5 4–3 T–3rd
1998 West Virginia 8–4 5–2 T–2nd
1999 West Virginia 4–7 3–4 T–4th
2000 West Virginia 7–5 3–4
2012...
Big 12 was good in 2012.
Had 9 bowl eligible teams. All 9 of these teams were ranked at one time
2012 and 2013 were tough years in the Big 12.
Kansas was the only weakling.
2013 Iowa St wasn't as good but what Tom Herman built as OC was still there in 2012.
Even with coaching.
Mack Brown, Bob Stoops and Art Briles were around at that time.
- Art Briles, Baylor
- Paul Rhoads, Iowa State
- Charlie Weis, Kansas
- Bill Snyder, Kansas State
- Bob Stoops, Oklahoma
- Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State
- Mack Brown, Texas
- Gary Patterson, Texas Christian
- Tommy Tuberville, Texas Tech
- Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia
I will show WV how?
States with 10 or more prospects in Rivals250
State Prospects
Florida
37
Texas
32
Georgia
26
California
23
Maryland
12
Tennessee
12
Alabama
10
Louisiana
10
North Carolina
10
Notice Maryland...
High level of elite players without a dominant program.
WV should do whatever it takes to become the owner of Maryland.
With Mike Locksley at Maryland I think it will be harder.
I think this is more important than the coach.
I think Neal Brown should make Maryland his primary recruiting target.
notice how many of those coaches were fired or runoff. Rhoades, Weis, Brown, and Tuberville were just bad
If those were the 4 worst coaches in the Big 12 in 2012 that is saying something.
Charlie Weis was a SB winning assistant. Won 3 SB in 4 years with New England as OC
Coached ND to a BCS bowl game
Tuberville coached Auburn to an undefeated season
Mack Brown is a NC coach
Brown and Tuberville in 2004, 2005 and 2006 were a combined 68-8 with 2 Rose Bowl wins, a Sugar Bowl win, Cotton and Alamo Bowl.
The best in the Big East in 2010 failed elsewhere.
Strong, Jones and Graham.
Don't know the exact percentage but it has to be around 50% of coaches from G5 to P5 that get fired within 5 years.
Neal Brown will be coaching against other coaches who have had the same amount or more success than him.
Neal Brown may not either.
Does that mean he is a horrible coach. You are setting the guy up for failure.
Dana Holgersen gave WV a chance to be competitive. Sometimes it takes time.
Bill Snyder didn't win his first conference championship until 2003. Almost 15 years after taking the job. His first chance his team was upset and cost K State a chance at the first BCS game.
I don't think Dana was doing all the little things needed to win at a high level...the attention to detail will make HCNB better from day one...bottom line...we have a better football coach now
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