Saw a documentary "The world according to Dick Cheney"

[WhiteTailEER]

I think it was on Showtime.

I will say up front that people that make documentaries many times (all the time?) have an agenda and you aren't likely to get the whole story.

Anyway. The documentary actually gave me a little more respect for Bush in some respects because it would appear he was being misled by Cheney on a lot of things, including the legality of the NSA surveillance program. On the other hand, he is the president and he is supposed to know what's going on, so it also seems he was kind of asleep at the wheel.

However, apparently that relationship is fractured and hasn't been repaired and Cheney was marginalized towards the end of Bush's term. So, Bush deserves credit for taking that stance and starting to listen to different people once he realized Cheney had been misleading him.

 

[Wolf J. Flywheel]

How long did it take for him to shoot that world in the face? **

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[Popeer]

All you need to know about Dick Cheney is that he formed his views during his years serving in the most corrupt administration of the 20th Century. He believes that Watergate "harmed" the office and power of the president, and made it his goal as VP to restore that power. Had he been VP to President John McCain, he wouldn't have gotten away with that stuff, but I've always felt that Bush was pushed forward in 2000 because he was seen by Cheney and other Neocons as a sort of compliant, happy-go-lucky boob who would be easy for connivers like Cheney (and Rumsfeld, who he also served in the early 1970s) to manipulate. History would seem to bear out this assessment as accurate.

Unfortunately for us all, Bush waited too late to slap down his VP -- he should have done it in the first year of his first term rather than the last half of his lame duck term.


This post was edited on 2/27 9:43 AM by Popeer

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Cheney is po'ed that W didn't give Scooter a full pardon....


and the fact that he didn't tells you W knew Cheney and his fellow neocons mislead him into Iraq. And admin officials (Scooter) were convicted of felonies for their involvement. Cheney's office browbeat the CIA into giving him raw, unsubstantiated intel that made his case for war. Curveball and the bio weapons labs.Supposed Atta meeting in Prague with Iraq that never happened. The supposed yellow cake in Niger. The centrifuge tubes. All bullshit. And he had the audacity to go before the public and talk about impending mushroom clouds over the US if we didn't invade. Cheney is a disgrace. He has the blood of 4500 dead Americans on his hands.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Re: Cheney is po'ed that W didn't give Scooter a full pardon....

Originally posted by RichardPeterJohnson:

and the fact that he didn't tells you W knew Cheney and his fellow neocons mislead him into Iraq. And admin officials (Scooter) were convicted of felonies for their involvement. Cheney's office browbeat the CIA into giving him raw, unsubstantiated intel that made his case for war. Curveball and the bio weapons labs.Supposed Atta meeting in Prague with Iraq that never happened. The supposed yellow cake in Niger. The centrifuge tubes. All bullshit. And he had the audacity to go before the public and talk about impending mushroom clouds over the US if we didn't invade. Cheney is a disgrace. He has the blood of 4500 dead Americans on his hands.

You should go set yourself on fire Norman Morrison style in protest outside of his office window. That'll show him.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Re: Cheney is po'ed that W didn't give Scooter a full pardon....

Originally posted by RichardPeterJohnson:

He has the blood of 4500 dead Americans on his hands.

Not to mention 1000's more paralyzed or with missing limbs, and 1000's more with PTSD. Of course there are all of the innocent Iraqi citizens that were killed during Shock and Awe.

But apparently that's patriotic, so he's got that going for him.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

For a guy so cavalier about using military force....


you'd think he would've served. Of course, he got 5 or 6 deferrments to get out of Vietnam since he had "other priorities".

 

[bornaneer]

"blood of 4500 dead Americans on his hands.." did you forget about this?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Re: For a guy so cavalier about using military force....

Originally posted by RichardPeterJohnson:

you'd think he would've served. Of course, he got 5 or 6 deferrments to get out of Vietnam since he had "other priorities".

I'm curious. No flame here. Did you serve?

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Re: For a guy so cavalier about using military force....


no

 

[countryroads89]

Re: "blood of 4500 dead Americans on his hands.." did you forget about this?

Originally posted by bornaneer:

4,488 U.S. Military deaths in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian casualties. You really don't want to start comparing numbers.

 

[bornaneer]

Not comparing , but others also have blood on their hands. You agree?**

wvu

 

[orlando eer]

0 wants to talk about the Crusades, our leftist circle jerk about Cheney.

Kind of an indication that things not really working well for leftists or the O administration in the present. Don't see the kind of leftist cheerleading for O or his policies that we saw when he was winning peace prizes and walking on water. Understandable that carping about events 8 or 10 or 1000 years is more fun than talking about the present clown show.

 

[mneilmont]

Bush made two mistakes. One was failure to forgive Scooter.

 

[mneilmont]

How is it so easily forgotten the Bill Clinton suggestion. What about the Dems on Intel who supported and suggested Bush have the authority? Did Hillary make a speech on the floor in support of going forward. How did all of that support get overlooked nearly as soon as they struck Iraq? Did Cheney really have that kind of power to fool everyone. Remember it had not been that long since Clinton's cabinet and staff had been replaced. And you really think the VP could change the environment in intel that quickly?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Yes, he could change the culture in the Intel community that quickly. The Clinton administration had gutted the Intel community after the fall of the wall and with the common understanding of the world's environment at the time was the right move. Post 9/11 there was naturally a resurgence and money was being printed for the Intel world. The Bush administration was at the helm during this resurgence and financial infusion, also with the pressure put on the community there was a "produce or else" mentality.

Very easily done IMO.
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[mneilmont]

Cheney wanted someone to check out the Niger story. Are you suggesting Wilson was selected for the assignment as a friend of Bush admin. Do you want to rethink that?