Neal Brown
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Starts with having a plan in place and finding the players.
Texas wanted to get better on the lines and allow the lines to control the game.
This didn't work out.
Possibly could have with David Ash....
But Tom Herman wants to dominate on lines but also be creative and use speed in space.
I see that WV wants to be more like Iowa St and Texas.
But I see players on their roster like Tevin Bush.
Hopefully Neal Brown gives that guy 10-15 touches a game.
Texas wanted to get better on the lines and allow the lines to control the game.
This didn't work out.
Possibly could have with David Ash....
But Tom Herman wants to dominate on lines but also be creative and use speed in space.
I see that WV wants to be more like Iowa St and Texas.
But I see players on their roster like Tevin Bush.
Hopefully Neal Brown gives that guy 10-15 touches a game.
The answer is maybe. No one can know for sure, but he has a resume and way of doing things that inspires hope. The definitive answer is Holgorsen couldn't. So a maybe is better than that even if Brown ultimately turns out to be the same or worse.
Our Holgorsen teams never had an identity.
The only thing I know Brown will do is bring an identity to this program.
I’d argue that’s the first and most important part of an elite program. When kids see that identity on Saturday’s, I believe the right players will find us as much as we’ll find them.
The only thing I know Brown will do is bring an identity to this program.
I’d argue that’s the first and most important part of an elite program. When kids see that identity on Saturday’s, I believe the right players will find us as much as we’ll find them.
I disagree with that.
Dana did have an identity with West Virginia.
Problem for WV is that Oklahoma is just better at it.
Iowa St is having the same problem with that regarding Texas.
Think either WV gets better at it with better players or go another way.
TCU has.
TCU is not like Oklahoma
Neither are they like Texas
Maybe...
But WV needs players like this.
The #2 RB in Texas. Already an OU commit.
All likelihood Texas will be getting #1 who is the #1 player in the country according to the composite.
This is against high level competition.
Most of these schools have a few college level players
But WV needs players like this.
The #2 RB in Texas. Already an OU commit.
All likelihood Texas will be getting #1 who is the #1 player in the country according to the composite.
This is against high level competition.
Most of these schools have a few college level players
I liked Dana. It wasn’t until after he left that I realized how stagnant we had become as a program, and I am not talking solely about wins and losses, but the feeling of “believing we can” had been replaced with “hoping we can.”
There are only 2 blue bloods in the B12 football. The next tier after that is Oklahoma State and WVU. Recently TCU and Baylor have raised their level, though both have had ups and downs. Texas Tech is tier 3 consistently. And so on and so forth.
What I am getting at is right now WVU has a disadvantage in resources, branding and perception in comparison to Texas and Oklahoma. Only WVU can close that gap. Most years WVU is probably playing for third place on paper in the Big 12. But WVU has shown in 88, 93, and 07 that it can make a serious run at a National championship about once a decade.
The realistic goal for WVU is to shoot for consistent 10-win seasons with a build up for a serious run once in a while. I believe Neal Brown is capable of that, if he truly buys in and stays committed.
There are only 2 blue bloods in the B12 football. The next tier after that is Oklahoma State and WVU. Recently TCU and Baylor have raised their level, though both have had ups and downs. Texas Tech is tier 3 consistently. And so on and so forth.
What I am getting at is right now WVU has a disadvantage in resources, branding and perception in comparison to Texas and Oklahoma. Only WVU can close that gap. Most years WVU is probably playing for third place on paper in the Big 12. But WVU has shown in 88, 93, and 07 that it can make a serious run at a National championship about once a decade.
The realistic goal for WVU is to shoot for consistent 10-win seasons with a build up for a serious run once in a while. I believe Neal Brown is capable of that, if he truly buys in and stays committed.
Coach Brown came in with a plan. He is organized and knows what he wants. Everything he does has a purpose and has been thought out. From day one Dana was flying from the seat of his pants, no organization, no plan or direction. Coach Brown will get better players because he truly cares about the players. I think he will succeed here at WVU. In fact, I believe we will surprise many this year and make it to a bowl game. Let's go Mountaineers!
You are the one who brought up Texas and Oklahoma.
If WV doesn't recruit better...
You will need both Oklahoma and Texas to be down.
This hasn't happen since the mid 90's for one year. In 1997.
It doesn't matter about WV unless WV pulls itself to that level in recruiting.
At least to a Top 25 for a 4 year stretch level.
These two teams will always have a talent advantage over us. That doesnt mean we cannot beat them, but it means we will need to beat them with lesser talent, which is very difficult to do over a long period of time.
If we want to routinely compete for a conference championship we will need to recruit at a more comparable level, for an extended period of time.
I dont know where Oklahoma and Texas finish in recruiting but I assume it is high.
We rarely have true talent advantage over anyone in the league except Kansas, ISU and maybe Kansas St.
Where do we normally finish in recruiting? Whats typical for us.
Avg is mid 30's or higher 30's. Dana was slipping into the 50's for a couple years.
Ive always assumed once you get out of the top 10 - 20, its most parity from 20 - 40, but I don't follow it and dont know that.
But it seems the teams who recruit well every year have good teams, with some exceptions....
West Virginia recruiting ranking
According to Composite
2000 44
2001 51
2002 50
2003 54
2004 38
2005 37
2006 60
2007 24
2008 49
2009 24
2010 32
2011 52
2012 35
2013 30
2014 39
2015 35
2016 39
2017 57
2018 35
2019 49
Dana recruited at a higher level than anyone
But those consecutive years in the 30's should become 20's
According to Composite
2000 44
2001 51
2002 50
2003 54
2004 38
2005 37
2006 60
2007 24
2008 49
2009 24
2010 32
2011 52
2012 35
2013 30
2014 39
2015 35
2016 39
2017 57
2018 35
2019 49
Dana recruited at a higher level than anyone
But those consecutive years in the 30's should become 20's
Mountaineer Football will undergo a very positive
transformation under Coach Brown I believe. Some
of the most important changes will take place off the
field - an organized, thoughtful approach to organizing
the overall program will be the foundation. More
effective recruiting, game-day planning. Seems his
approach to problem-solving is less about yelling and
foot-stomping and more about identifying the issues
and coming up with solid solutions.
Turning to on the field performance. Not sure what the
record will be this first year - but I'm certain that the
Mountaineers will be tougher, more focused and more
disciplined. They will leave it all on the field every game.
transformation under Coach Brown I believe. Some
of the most important changes will take place off the
field - an organized, thoughtful approach to organizing
the overall program will be the foundation. More
effective recruiting, game-day planning. Seems his
approach to problem-solving is less about yelling and
foot-stomping and more about identifying the issues
and coming up with solid solutions.
Turning to on the field performance. Not sure what the
record will be this first year - but I'm certain that the
Mountaineers will be tougher, more focused and more
disciplined. They will leave it all on the field every game.
You have already heard what I have said..
With the Stills brothers, the Bama transfer and Miller there is a chance if Neal Brown and his staff are great to win 10 games this year possibly.
Logically...I don't see it.
But there are some dogs on D and if Miller is a legit CB WV could have a good D.
This all falls back on Kendall.
Overall..WV needs more dogs everywhere.
With the Stills brothers, the Bama transfer and Miller there is a chance if Neal Brown and his staff are great to win 10 games this year possibly.
Logically...I don't see it.
But there are some dogs on D and if Miller is a legit CB WV could have a good D.
This all falls back on Kendall.
Overall..WV needs more dogs everywhere.
Can be true yes. But many high recruits don't pan out. WVU has had some 4 and 5 star players that never made it.
I think WV needs more hybrids players like Osita Smith.
Truthfully WV needs three Osita Smiths
One to play LB, one to play S and one to play WR.
These hybrid players that are 6-2 200-225 are what is needed
Perfect examples are Grant Delpit LSU and BJ Foster from Texas.
But many of these 4* and 5* players didn't make it due to not meeting qualifications or transferred out. Highlighted the ones that didn't make it or didn't graduate. Might have gotten a few highlighted ones wrong.
5* Noel Devine
5* Jason Gwaltney 2005
4* Brandon Barrett 2004
4* Ivan McCartney 2010
4* Tyrek Cole 2015
4* Jevon Durante 2015
4* Deon-Tay McManus 2012
4* Josh Jenkins 2008
4* Barry Brunetti 2010
4* Geno Smith 2009
4* Dante Stills 2018
4* Kawntel Raines 2018
4* Quinton Spain 20010
4* Tavon Austin 2009
4* Logan Heastie 2009
4* Donte Thomas-Williams 2014
4* Steven Smothers 2016
4* Eugene Smith 2009
4* Deon Long 2009
4* Osita Smith 2019
4* Kyzir White 2016
4* Tevita Finau 2009
4* Ellis Lankster 2005
4* Raymond Williams 2004
4* Sam Lebbie 2012
4* Dreshun Miller 2019
4* Rasul Douglas 2015
4* Ford Childress 2012
4* Jeremy Johnson 2010
4* Darrien Howard 2010
4* Pat Lazer 2007
I get what you are saying. I have always felt WVU should look for the best athlete available, a guy who plays big on the field, but may not have all the physical measurements. Get the talent in the program, start winning more consistently, and translate the wins into improving recruiting. Not an original concept. If your best available lineman is only 6 feet tall but has 4 star talent, go after him.
What about Blake Carringer?
Did WV offer. Has offers from Bama, Florida and Georgia.
The guy is a beast. 6-6 310.
Did WV offer. Has offers from Bama, Florida and Georgia.
The guy is a beast. 6-6 310.
So much space to cover that you need players with size that can stop the run but also cover a WR.
It is a certain body type.
6-0 to 6-4
195-225 pounds.
That has good shuffle speed, vertical, 40 time and who has played other sports.
There was a story about Tom Herman and Texas. How Herman wonders about a football player that doesn't run track.
Smith is an athlete developing into a football player.
Those are the guys who you want.
You can teach football
But not athleticism
You mean the fake persona that some students made up?
The one Rivals automatically gave a three star ranking to without a shred of evidence? No highlight tape? Nothing...
When will folks realize this star shit is nothing more than a ploy to get your money. These dipshits couldn't find a supermodel at a fat farm. Just goes to show you how gullible some people truly are.
Oh yeah, I guess you'll need proof
Kid messed up by putting Bama.
The recruiting directors in the area became interested.
3 star is a placeholder until they get additional info.
Video, watching the recruit or camps.
A lot of these people put in Long hours and evaluate football players a lot more than coaches...
Look at Syracuse get fooled...I Googled him and found it
https://syracusefan.com/threads/ot-blake-carringer-tn-offered.137239/
Kid messed up by putting Bama.
The recruiting directors in the area became interested.
3 star is a placeholder until they get additional info.
Video, watching the recruit or camps.
A lot of these people put in Long hours and evaluate football players a lot more than coaches...
Look at Syracuse get fooled...I Googled him and found it
https://syracusefan.com/threads/ot-blake-carringer-tn-offered.137239/
You got played....
You're just an addict who needs a fix.
I found out about this after the fact on the SECrant....
I know Texas had this kid who acted like he committed and no one heard of him
Tucker Green. Think his Twitter is gone.
He was funny. He trolled the kicker who committed to USC....and called himself a 5 star kicker.
He does.....
Here is from his High School
http://www.maxpreps.com/m/career/default.aspx?careerid=8c7ff654-3d12-e611-bef0-a0369f3c1b4c
9 inches shorter and 90 lbs lighter.
Have you checked out Marcellus Shale?
6'5 310 Beast outta WV....built like rock.
All bullshit aside...
You know the most important trait for an OL.
SAT/ACT score.
Everyone thinks you want smart QBs and a bunch of dumb big guys blocking for him
But because OL have to work as a team and apply what they know.
An aptitude test is a great away to decide on OL if they are near the same size
All bullshit aside, the most important trait for an OL is actually being a real person...move on clown.
That is about leverage...
Knowing where to apply force.
Something that someone who works at their craft is skilled at.
Why a lot of great OL also wrestled in high school
You are high. You are talking about someone who doesn't exist. No one here is buying your BS. Find some other suckers, the carnival has left town and forgot its clown.
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