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Dream on - the television networks will not let that happen. One thing you have to remember is that no conference with 10 members ever played a round robin until the Big 12 did it. The SEC at one time only played 6 conference games, the Big 10 and P12 played 7 and then moved to 8 before they expanded.Actually, I think in the long run, other conferences (Acc, big 10, sec, pac 12) will try to find ways to shed schools to get back to 10. Vandy, Northwestern, Wake Forest, for starters bring very little to their respective conferences. And 10 is obviously the best option in every way except for these conference championships, which are often poorly attendedI Because they can't be planned for in advance. Special games like the Kickoff classic make more sense to me.
So I think the Big 12 has it right.
Lgm!
Ridiculous to even discuss it.
I think Oklahoma and Texas would be crazy to leave but there will be attempts made. And I agree with Boren that the conference needs to be at 12. And for me one of those teams has to be close - namely Cincy. I do not care who the other one is. BYU or Colorado State or Memphis of Houston. UCF is not among the teams I would be looking at.
Yet....you jumped into the discussion head-first.
Actually, I think in the long run, other conferences (Acc, big 10, sec, pac 12) will try to find ways to shed schools to get back to 10. Vandy, Northwestern, Wake Forest, for starters bring very little to their respective conferences. And 10 is obviously the best option in every way except for these conference championships, which are often poorly attendedI Because they can't be planned for in advance. Special games like the Kickoff classic make more sense to me.
So I think the Big 12 has it right.
Lgm!
And 10 is totally STUPID for a championship game if you continue the round robin schedule. And any one can use a calculator to divide by 12 - and moving to 12 would cost each school very little money - and actually it would not be noticed as they would come in with partial shares to begin with.I agree with this completely, particularly now that the B12 can have a conference championship game if it wants too. 10 is ideal for round robin scheduling and splitting up the money.
Sorry, Woody, but that statement is incorrect. The Pac-10 was the first 10-team power conference to play a full round-robin schedule.One thing you have to remember is that no conference with 10 members ever played a round robin until the Big 12 did it. The SEC at one time only played 6 conference games, the Big 10 and P12 played 7 and then moved to 8 before they expanded.
.....say around year 2000 ??
Thanks for the correction - but my point was still the Big 10 and the SEC never even considered it and I dobut that they would ever consider returning to 10 teams.Sorry, Woody, but that statement is incorrect. The Pac-10 was the first 10-team power conference to play a full round-robin schedule.
When the NCAA approved the permanent expansion of the schedule to 12 games starting with the 2006 season, the Pac-10 decided to use the extra game to complete the full round-robin schedule instead of each school missing one of the others as they had been doing for many years. For that 5-season period from 2006-2010, the Pac-10 schools did play everybody else before the Big 12 began doing so in 2011.
The Big12 is the most unstable conference. The big east was the same way.
The big 12 has poor leadership just like the Big east did. They are not proactive, they are reactionary. Texas has run off nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and Texas A&M. When your schools leave and/or plucked up by other conferences, you are weak.
Maybe but if we make the right choices we can make the Big 12 a much better conference than the Big East was. The question remains will we make the right decisions......say around year 2000 ??
Oh, no question about it. Unfortunately it seems that ship has sailed.Thanks for the correction - but my point was still the Big 10 and the SEC never even considered it and I dobut that they would ever consider returning to 10 teams.
How does it feel to be the biggest piece of shit in this new cesspool!?
And 10 is totally STUPID for a championship game if you continue the round robin schedule. And any one can use a calculator to divide by 12 - and moving to 12 would cost each school very little money - and actually it would not be noticed as they would come in with partial shares to begin with.
You math is correct CFE if both new members are brought in at a full share but that will not happen. But the money goes up each year and if we increase the value from 300M to 340M in year one but only play half shares then 30 mil becomes 30.9 mil. and as the the values go up each year along with the percentage share for the new members - over all payout would remain close to constant. I want a to be in a stable conference that has a conference championship games and divisions. I certainly do not believe that a conference championship game in a 10 member conference is a situation that I want to deal with.
I do value you opinions however I do not see the perfect situation of 4 16 team conferences ever happening - first of all that would mean that two teams get left out if you include BYU and ND.
I have looked at the performance schedule of the Pride of WV and after 4 years they will have traveled to exactly ONE conference road game. Which will also be the total number of conference road games that I will have attended also. And I would say that after 4 years ZERO Big 12 road bands have performed on Mountaineer Field. We are losing some of the pagentry of college football. I think we will see a lower amount of WVU fans traveling to conference road games. In many ways we are being left out of some of the things that I value about college football - but at least we are still in one of the Big Boy Conferences.
Is that necessarily all bad, though, Woody? I don't think it is.I think we will see a lower amount of WVU fans traveling to conference road games.
I see that as flawed logic - as most people that attend away games already attend home games.Is that necessarily all bad, though, Woody? I don't think it is.
The increased number of very distant road games by its nature ought to result in a greater urgency to attend games at home, shouldn't it?
Certainly that's the case that most road attendees also attend home games.I see that as flawed logic - as most people that attend away games already attend home games.
. But the money goes up each year .
Not true. The contract only increases enough to keep the payout (per team) the same at it is now. If the money went up each year, as you suggest, then the payout would exceed what it is now.
The money does go up each year under the contracts. It is not a constant for the 12 year life of the contract. The payouts are going to go up to at least the mid 30's by the end of the contract. You have not been paying attention.
with Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Missouri leaving....you've asked a question when you already know the answer....if Texas or Oklahoma leave...stick a fork in it..it's done.
No, the payouts aren't going up into the mid-30s. It is true that the payouts aren't the same every year, but the problem is you aren't factoring in that the payout starts out lower. For example, the Big 12's TV contract pays out an average of $20 million per team over the life of the deal. Right now, the payout is less than $20 million. The Big 12 TV contract is $2.5 billion over 13 years. That's an average of 192 million per year, which divided 10 ways is $19.2 million, so basically $20 million to each school. So if the payouts, got up to $30 million on the back end, as you claim, then the payouts now would have to be around $10 million. In other words, no matter how you slice it, the payouts have to add up to $2.5 billion when the contract is all said and done.
Why hasn't the ACC announced their payout for last "school" year - my guess is that it doesn't come close to the Big 12 or SEC payout. Bowlsby indicated that the conference payout could go up another $4 or $5 million next year and with WVU now receiving a full share that will likely put us over $30,000,000 (UNBELIEVABLE). The separation between us and our closest ACC neighbor Pitt is already starting to give us a big advantage - more money for facilities, players, coaches, recruiting, etc., etc. Life is the Big 12 is as good as it gets in college sports.
New Big Ten Payout Numbers Look Promising for Maryland After Leaving the ACC
http://maryland.247sports.com/Bolt/New-Big-Ten-Payout-Numbers-Look-Promising-for-Maryland-38298966
At least this time you didn't provide bogus links to support your erroneous claims. Here is what they are saying on the FSU board:
PINEHURST, N.C. -- It didn't take long Monday for Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford to start his dance routine.
Shortly after his half-hour "state of the conference" address to launch ACC Kickoff, the 18-year league commissioner was peppered with questions about the status of the much-talked-about ACC cable television channel and the apparently widening financial disparities with other conferences. Swofford did his best to evade multiple inquires on the subject and even joked with one reporter by saying he must be tired of hearing him talk on the subject without saying much.
Despite numerous questions on the subject, Swofford offered no clear direction as to when a conference network could be launched.
But the potential financial shortcomings for the conference are far from a laughing matter.
. . . . . . . . . .
There was "a big commitment from the conference to this university a few years ago on that issue. I'm sure no one's forgotten," FSU Trustee Edwards Burr said during April's meeting.
Unless Swofford was going out of his way on Monday to not tip his hand, it sounds like there is no immediate plan to launch a television network, and that ever-widening financial gap between ACC and the Big Ten/SEC will continue to grow. If the financial disparity between conferences continues to play out that way, it will become increasingly difficult for FSU and other ACC athletic programs to compete on the big stage against its big brother conferences.
https://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1784662&PT=4&PR=2
My guess the absence of numbers from reliable sources (like the commissioner) indicates that the ACC payout was far below the other power conferences.
Radakovich told Clemson’s board of trustees last week that his department showed a net profit of $118,000 for fiscal year 2015, which ended June 30. The $80.2 million in revenues includes $21 million worth of support from IPTAY (the private nonprofit that supports Clemson athletics), another $25 million from the Atlantic Coast Conference and $22.6 million from ticket sales, according to the financial data he shared with the board.
http://www.independentmail.com/news...ations-to-be-ready-for-sept-5-opener_55515059
LOL - even this one was bogus. The concern from ACC folks about financially lagging behind the other power conference is very entertaining.
Sorry, but I never provided bogus links. You just call them bogus because you don't have any way to refute the information they provide.
Again, you are also wrong. The payout from the ACC was $25 million dollars. Here is the story in today's local newspaper:
It's not the same... not even close... but you raise an interesting conundrum (if teams left). What if? What if you stepped into a pothole and broke your ankle? No one knows. We are safe for now. Enjoy it!