WVU's Will Grier projected as the third QB taken in the NFL draft

[Vernon]

Link: https://yhoo.it/2Er3uZK

1. Herbert, Oregon junior
He’s undisputed here, as we covered above.

2. Daniel Jones, Duke redshirt junior
After Herbert, little is set. We’re going with Jones at this juncture because he has the archetype body the NFL looks for – 6-foot-5 and 220 pounds. He comes with what one scout calls the “blessing and curse” of playing for David Cutcliffe. The blessing is that Cutcliffe is among this generation’s most revered quarterback tutors because of his time with the Mannings. The curse shows up in Jones’ 56.7 completion percentage last year, as Duke’s pro-style offense lacks the high-percentage throws that pad modern quarterback numbers. Jones’ percentage has jumped to 68.3 percent this year, but he’s played only four games because of a clavicle injury. Don’t be surprised if a team falls in love with him.

3. Will Grier, West Virginia redshirt senior
Recency bias hurts Grier, as he got sacked seven times in an upset loss at Iowa State this weekend and threw three interceptions against Kansas the week before. There’s a strong feeling that Grier will impress in his interviews, as he remains a realistic candidate as a late first-round pick. But the transition from WVU’s offense remains a concern – one scout called it “a huge curve … to an NFL offense.” Still, there’s good vibes, as another says: “He’s got a good arm. He runs more to throw and can throw from [the] pocket and on the move.”

 

[countryroads89]

If he gets it turned around, which I think he will (pun intended), he will be a first round pick.

 

[oceantide83]

But the transition from WVU’s offense remains a concern – one scout called it “a huge curve … to an NFL offense.”

Hear that Dana? They do more than run up the middle and throw bombs in the NFL.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Hear that Dana? They do more than run up the middle and throw bombs in the NFL.

It is the reads.
This makes West Virginia's offense easy to replace the QB because when a QB drops back he has two options.
After that it is on him.

In the NFL depending on the # of WR you have 4-5 reads.
The WR route chart is a lot more complicated plus QBs in the NFL have to change plays at the line due to the defense.

Is some ways this helps WV because they can have success with any QB.
Just look at Mike Leach at Washington St.

 

[WVUALLEN]

It is the reads.
This makes West Virginia's offense easy to replace the QB because when a QB drops back he has two options.
After that it is on him.

In the NFL depending on the # of WR you have 4-5 reads.
The WR route chart is a lot more complicated plus QBs in the NFL have to change plays at the line due to the defense.

Is some ways this helps WV because they can have success with any QB.
Just look at Mike Leach at Washington St.

WVU has 4 to 5 receivers. Apparently none could move last Saturday.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

WVU has 4 to 5 receivers. Apparently none could move last Saturday.

In Dana's offense other WRs are used to confuse DBs to create separation between the DBs and the primary WR.
I'm each pass there are only one or two progressions.

They run these plays to perfection. I didn't think Iowa St had the athletic DBs to shut down WV. What they did was stay home and play discipline football.

If you ever have the chance to watch a WV or Washington St practice I advise you to because of their perfection on the routes
Leach and DH learned this from Hal Mumme who learned this from Lavell Edwards.

 

[oceantide83]

Is some ways this helps WV because they can have success with any QB.

Yeah, just look how our backup QB's have been so successful torching opposing defenses.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Yeah, just look how our backup QB's have been so successful torching opposing defenses.

The truth is the offense that is currently being ran at WV has produced some of the greatest passers in CFB history year after year.

Defenses adjust overtime and they adapt. CFB is all about adaptation.
Trust and believe DH is going to try something else out against Baylor.

He may have his critics on here but the guy is one of the best coaches for WR the last 20 years.

 

[countryroads89]

It is the reads.
This makes West Virginia's offense easy to replace the QB because when a QB drops back he has two options.

WVU’s offense is not simple. Every QB to come here has struggled with it.
And on most pass plays, we have 4 wideouts.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

WVU’s offense is not simple. Every QB to come here has struggled with it.
And on most pass plays, we have 4 wideouts.

You can have 5 wideouts and still only have 1 progression.
The primary WR and secondary WR

90% of college offenses are like this so it is not an attack on Will Grier or WV.

When the scout said there will be a learning curve it is based on most NFL offenses use progressions.
Primary WR, Secondary WR, Third option and check downs.

Will Grier won't have the idea in his mind when he snaps the ball where the ball is going.
They have to rewire his thinking.
He has the physical gifts to make the jump so it will be 100% mental.

The way he can throw 40 yard perfect passes on the move is similar to Aaron Rodgers.

Another QB that was attacked by NFL scouts as a system QB because of Jeff Tedford.
Don't think Grier has the ceiling of Rodgers but even if he is 75% of the QB could be a 8 year starter

 

[mofo]

Unless Grier "tightens up" his game
he will not be drafted that high....

especially his footwork needs
improvement quickly

Sorry
but both Kansas QB and
Iowa State's QB looked
much better than Grier

 

[WVUALLEN]

In Dana's offense other WRs are used to confuse DBs to create separation between the DBs and the primary WR.
I'm each pass there are only one or two progressions.

They run these plays to perfection. I didn't think Iowa St had the athletic DBs to shut down WV. What they did was stay home and play discipline football.

If you ever have the chance to watch a WV or Washington St practice I advise you to because of their perfection on the routes
Leach and DH learned this from Hal Mumme who learned this from Lavell Edwards.

Staying in lanes means slants and TE passes should have slaughtered them.

Sills 32 catches
Jennings 30 catches
Simms 28
TJ Simmons 14

The rest have 4 to 7 catches.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Staying in lanes means slants and TE passes should have slaughtered them.

Sills 32 catches
Jennings 30 catches
Simms 28
TJ Simmons 14

The rest have 4 to 7 catches.

You are trying to question two things I guess.

Spreading the ball around has always been the staple of the AirRaid.

WVs offense works to perfection because of the WR routes in certain coverages.
The play calling is dependent on the defense.

Difference is what Iowa St has done.
This is the reason why WV needs a mobile QB.
They flood the field with DBs and have safeties that can play center field.

Last year Will Grier picked them a part.
I haven't watched this year compared to last year to see what Iowa St changed.
Iowa St will always flood the field with DBs. That is why you run your QB. Will Grier should have been running for 4-8 yards every time.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

For example last year
Texas vs Iowa St
Texas won 17-7

Shane Buechele ran the ball 12 times for 42 yards.

WV vs Iowa St

Grier ran the ball 10 times for -33 yards
Mainly because of sacks.

Grier is probably more athletic than Buechele

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Link: https://yhoo.it/2Er3uZK

1. Herbert, Oregon junior
He’s undisputed here, as we covered above.

2. Daniel Jones, Duke redshirt junior
After Herbert, little is set. We’re going with Jones at this juncture because he has the archetype body the NFL looks for – 6-foot-5 and 220 pounds. He comes with what one scout calls the “blessing and curse” of playing for David Cutcliffe. The blessing is that Cutcliffe is among this generation’s most revered quarterback tutors because of his time with the Mannings. The curse shows up in Jones’ 56.7 completion percentage last year, as Duke’s pro-style offense lacks the high-percentage throws that pad modern quarterback numbers. Jones’ percentage has jumped to 68.3 percent this year, but he’s played only four games because of a clavicle injury. Don’t be surprised if a team falls in love with him.

3. Will Grier, West Virginia redshirt senior
Recency bias hurts Grier, as he got sacked seven times in an upset loss at Iowa State this weekend and threw three interceptions against Kansas the week before. There’s a strong feeling that Grier will impress in his interviews, as he remains a realistic candidate as a late first-round pick. But the transition from WVU’s offense remains a concern – one scout called it “a huge curve … to an NFL offense.” Still, there’s good vibes, as another says: “He’s got a good arm. He runs more to throw and can throw from [the] pocket and on the move.”

Seems about right. Great QB by most standards. Hope team takes advantage because WVU may not see this level at the QB position for a long time.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

It is the reads.
This makes West Virginia's offense easy to replace the QB because when a QB drops back he has two options.
After that it is on him.

In the NFL depending on the # of WR you have 4-5 reads.
The WR route chart is a lot more complicated plus QBs in the NFL have to change plays at the line due to the defense.

Is some ways this helps WV because they can have success with any QB.
Just look at Mike Leach at Washington St.

Geez!!! Dude your post is moronic. Literally village idiot level. Grier may well be the best QB in WVU history. As he lowered his head last year against Texass and busted up his finger WVUs season blew up in flames. You just don’t replace generational QBs like your post suggests. Listen don’t play WR when you have no idea. Played WR into college and the route tree(old school) is basically the same. Obviously there’s more underneath stuff and crossing stuff with 4 and 5 receiver sets but a QB reads Mike, Safeties, and coverage. Really the back shoulder throw isn’t complicated just communicating and timing with WR. Grier may or may not be NFL but claiming he can be easily replaced makes you look foolish.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

In Dana's offense other WRs are used to confuse DBs to create separation between the DBs and the primary WR.
I'm each pass there are only one or two progressions.

They run these plays to perfection. I didn't think Iowa St had the athletic DBs to shut down WV. What they did was stay home and play discipline football.

If you ever have the chance to watch a WV or Washington St practice I advise you to because of their perfection on the routes
Leach and DH learned this from Hal Mumme who learned this from Lavell Edwards.

So you go to a couple of practices and you come away with what you have posted. Got it.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

The truth is the offense that is currently being ran at WV has produced some of the greatest passers in CFB history year after year.

Defenses adjust overtime and they adapt. CFB is all about adaptation.
Trust and believe DH is going to try something else out against Baylor.

He may have his critics on here but the guy is one of the best coaches for WR the last 20 years.

Ok drama queen

 

[Pitt4Life34]

You can have 5 wideouts and still only have 1 progression.
The primary WR and secondary WR

90% of college offenses are like this so it is not an attack on Will Grier or WV.

When the scout said there will be a learning curve it is based on most NFL offenses use progressions.
Primary WR, Secondary WR, Third option and check downs.

Will Grier won't have the idea in his mind when he snaps the ball where the ball is going.
They have to rewire his thinking.
He has the physical gifts to make the jump so it will be 100% mental.

The way he can throw 40 yard perfect passes on the move is similar to Aaron Rodgers.

Another QB that was attacked by NFL scouts as a system QB because of Jeff Tedford.
Don't think Grier has the ceiling of Rodgers but even if he is 75% of the QB could be a 8 year starter

Every play has at least 2 progressions. You have no idea what you’re posting haha. Every play that RB or TE releases is 2 reads. Which means the third option in flat or at line is always a read. Sometimes a 3rd WR takes the place on the route tree.

 

[countryroads89]

Every play has at least 2 progressions. You have no idea what you’re posting haha. Every play that RB or TE releases is 2 reads. Which means the third option in flat or at line is always a read. Sometimes a 3rd WR takes the place on the route tree.

Some of these posters on here have never played a single down of football in their entire life but they love to post like they're a college football coaching guru. The best part is, they are so ignorant of football they don't realize people who played see right through their bullshit and laugh their ass off.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Geez!!! Dude your post is moronic. Literally village idiot level. Grier may well be the best QB in WVU history. As he lowered his head last year against Texass and busted up his finger WVUs season blew up in flames. You just don’t replace generational QBs like your post suggests. Listen don’t play WR when you have no idea. Played WR into college and the route tree(old school) is basically the same. Obviously there’s more underneath stuff and crossing stuff with 4 and 5 receiver sets but a QB reads Mike, Safeties, and coverage. Really the back shoulder throw isn’t complicated just communicating and timing with WR. Grier may or may not be NFL but claiming he can be easily replaced makes you look foolish.

From a talent standpoint you are correct.

Like I said when WV's offense is ran to get certain WR's open.
Those crossing routes are based on creating confusion.
The primary WR for the most part will be open.

NFL DBs are a lot more disciplined so this confusion is a lot harder to create.

Out of all DH WRs Wes Welker is actually the best on the NFL level.
The rest of the WR who put up video game numbers in DHs offense have been bust by NFL standards.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Every play has at least 2 progressions. You have no idea what you’re posting haha. Every play that RB or TE releases is 2 reads. Which means the third option in flat or at line is always a read. Sometimes a 3rd WR takes the place on the route tree.

Why is Will Grier's learning curve a lot higher than the other QBs?

If WV runs a pro style offense with progressions and checkdowns why are NFL scouts saying that Will Grier needs to adapt to their game.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

So you go to a couple of practices and you come away with what you have posted. Got it.

I have experience with the offense.
The first name created for this offense was Basketball on Grass.

Like with basketball you use players to make another player open.

DH is a master at this.
When Will Grier snaps the ball he knows that a certain WR will be opened at a certain time.
That is why timing is important

This is not a knock on Will Grier because he has tremendous talent.

It is the truth of what WV runs.
When this offense runs to perfection it is a thing of beauty .

 

[Pitt4Life34]

I have experience with the offense.
The first name created for this offense was Basketball on Grass.

Like with basketball you use players to make another player open.

DH is a master at this.
When Will Grier snaps the ball he knows that a certain WR will be opened at a certain time.
That is why timing is important

This is not a knock on Will Grier because he has tremendous talent.

It is the truth of what WV runs.
When this offense runs to perfection it is a thing of beauty .

Ok pal if you say so haha. This site is priceless.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Why is Will Grier's learning curve a lot higher than the other QBs?

If WV runs a pro style offense with progressions and checkdowns why are NFL scouts saying that Will Grier needs to adapt to their game.

You’re an idiot

 

[Pitt4Life34]

From a talent standpoint you are correct.

Like I said when WV's offense is ran to get certain WR's open.
Those crossing routes are based on creating confusion.
The primary WR for the most part will be open.

NFL DBs are a lot more disciplined so this confusion is a lot harder to create.

Out of all DH WRs Wes Welker is actually the best on the NFL level.
The rest of the WR who put up video game numbers in DHs offense have been bust by NFL standards.

You’re all over the place and moving goal post haha. Let it go fool.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

GregJacobs runs his mouth and uses the same three or four responses everytime.

If you want to learn something this is Sam Houston State coach talking about the AirRaid offense


AIR RAID OFFENSE: PLAYBOOK AND CONCEPTS
WITH SAM HOUSTON STATE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR PHIL LONGO

Phil Longo about his philosophies when it comes to the Air Raid offense.

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WHY IS OUR OFFENSE SO EFFECTIVE?
Our up-tempo offense is so effective due to the talent we have. We are blessed with the physicality up front, and great personnel on offense who can catch, create, and do a great job throwing the football.

WHAT IS OUR OFFENSIVE PHILOSOPHY?
We are an Air Raid offense - we run the ball a little more than Texas Tech does, but don’t pass as much as Mike Leach’s version. Our system is designed to create space. If a team loads the box with seven defenders, we will run to the perimeter, but if they leave 5 in the box, we’ll run inside.

At the end of the day, the space of a football field is constant. There’s always space to be had, and there’s always space to attack.

We do run some RPOs, but our run game is simple. We run power, inside zone, and stretch on the perimeter. The bubble screen is a huge part of our game.

We also incorporate a lot of quarterback draw and double post cuts, as well as verticals, Y Cross routes, and hi-lo routes.





HOW CAN A TEAM EFFECTIVELY RUN AN AIR RAID OFFENSE?
The Air Raid may look like fun, but there’s a lot that a coach needs to know to run it effectively.

1. It all starts with the QB. He has to understand that he is going to be a distributor of the football. The QB has to be accurate, a leader, and know the game. He’s going to be running fewer plays so it is important that he is efficient.
   
   
2. The O-line is just as important. Spacing is important and the guys in the trenches have to play heads up and be quick on their feet to allow the play to unfold.
   
   
3. Keep it simple as a coach. Frame your offense around 25 plays. As soon as you expand the playbook, you are stealing reps from your players during practice. We want them to master 10 pass plays, as opposed to the average of 25.
   
   
4. It’s all about adjustments during the game. Your plays won’t even look like what they do on the board. You have to get open. It’s important to teach your receivers how to create space within individual matchups.
   
   
5. Get to a point where players know your offense so well that they play without thinking. We grade guys on an instinctiveness standpoint. If they grade at a one, they can run the offense easily. A two, and they make a few mistakes but are not yet masters of the offense. A three means they are still making mental mistakes and a four means they are still thinking every downdown

Read number 5.

Play without thinking. Even for the QB.

NFL QBs aren' t like that.
In the AirRaid the QB knows where the ball is going before the snap so it is robotic.

https://www.krossover.com/articles/air-raid-offense-playbook-and-concepts/

 

[TownesVanZandt]

7 graders in Texas are running the same offense.
Most high schools in Texas use the offense in some form of another.
There have been other layers added to it by other coaches.

At the bottom of it is the same perfection Hal Mumme took from Lavell Edwards.


Reason why NFL teams have to make sure Will Grier can make the adjustments.

This will be the difference in him being a first round pick and probably a third round pick.

The guy has the arm strength, accuracy and mobility of a future Pro Bowl QB.

The questions of if the NFL can rewire his thinking are still there though.
He did run a lot pro stuff at Florida so he has had his mind wired like a NFL QB.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Link: https://yhoo.it/2Er3uZK

1. Herbert, Oregon junior
He’s undisputed here, as we covered above.

2. Daniel Jones, Duke redshirt junior
After Herbert, little is set. We’re going with Jones at this juncture because he has the archetype body the NFL looks for – 6-foot-5 and 220 pounds. He comes with what one scout calls the “blessing and curse” of playing for David Cutcliffe. The blessing is that Cutcliffe is among this generation’s most revered quarterback tutors because of his time with the Mannings. The curse shows up in Jones’ 56.7 completion percentage last year, as Duke’s pro-style offense lacks the high-percentage throws that pad modern quarterback numbers. Jones’ percentage has jumped to 68.3 percent this year, but he’s played only four games because of a clavicle injury. Don’t be surprised if a team falls in love with him.

3. Will Grier, West Virginia redshirt senior
Recency bias hurts Grier, as he got sacked seven times in an upset loss at Iowa State this weekend and threw three interceptions against Kansas the week before. There’s a strong feeling that Grier will impress in his interviews, as he remains a realistic candidate as a late first-round pick. But the transition from WVU’s offense remains a concern – one scout called it “a huge curve … to an NFL offense.” Still, there’s good vibes, as another says: “He’s got a good arm. He runs more to throw and can throw from [the] pocket and on the move.”

Grier is undoubtedly talented, but has shown some weaknesses that definitely won't fly in the NFL. One is not being decisive. It's considered decent protection in the NFL to get 4 seconds and that includes if you have to move within the pocket to stay safe. Yet he can't throw it away or tuck it and run when he needs to. An extension of that is how he gives up a bunch of yards trying to extend the play and still eats the sack without getting rid of the ball. Neither of those 2 habits will fly in the NFL.

 

[CAJUNEER]

I have experience with the offense.
The first name created for this offense was Basketball on Grass.

Like with basketball you use players to make another player open.

DH is a master at this.
When Will Grier snaps the ball he knows that a certain WR will be opened at a certain time.
That is why timing is important

This is not a knock on Will Grier because he has tremendous talent.

It is the truth of what WV runs.
When this offense runs to perfection it is a thing of beauty .

Watching it on TV does not count as experience.

 

[CAJUNEER]

If he gets it turned around, which I think he will (pun intended), he will be a first round pick.

I would love to see the Saints draft him and give him a chance to sit behind Drew Brees for a couple of seasons. They have similar games. Bridgewater will be traded to be a starter somewhere by next year, maybe this season. He could be the starter when Brees retires in a couple of years.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

I don't have to watch it on TV.
I can talk to almost any HS coach in Texas.
More than that there are thousands of YouTube videos from coaches and there are football coaching clinics.


All these coaches say the same thing.
Practice makes perfection. They preach perfect routes so the QB can throw the ball.


Some of you are trying to place NFL concepts onto a college offense.

 

[CAJUNEER]

I don't have to watch it on TV.
I can talk to almost any HS coach in Texas.
More than that there are thousands of YouTube videos from coaches and there are football coaching clinics.


All these coaches say the same thing.
Practice makes perfection. They preach perfect routes so the QB can throw the ball.


Some of you are trying to place NFL concepts onto a college offense.

Your comments about the Mumme offense are the same for every passing offense. Generic. No one is saying just go get open and I’ll hit you.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

This is about Will Grier.

Every offense even at the middle school level has designed plays.

The difference between the NFL and CFB is freedom for the QB, QB reading the defense and changing the plays and then the progressions.

There is another layer added on top of the game compared to college.

Even with QBs that play for schools like Michigan and USC.

USC even has went to a lot of the concepts of the spread and AirRaid recently without the progressions.

Michigan did under Rich Rod and Brady Hoke

 

[CAJUNEER]

This is about Will Grier.

Every offense even at the middle school level has designed plays.

The difference between the NFL and CFB is freedom for the QB, QB reading the defense and changing the plays and then the progressions.

There is another layer added on top of the game compared to college.

Even with QBs that play for schools like Michigan and USC.

USC even has went to a lot of the concepts of the spread and AirRaid recently without the progressions.

Michigan did under Rich Rod and Brady Hoke