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WVU will have to come east

Of the three power conferences not named SEC or B10, the BIG 12 is in the strongest position.

The acc is locked into a long term low pay deal, is reliant on Notre Dame and continues to have multiple schools that want out asap.

The PAC has lower payouts and just lost its main schools going into a negotiation with few avenues to expand. They are also dealing with schools that want out now.

Meanwhile the BIG 12 stabilized itself a year ago, has solid contracts for three more season before getting a more lucrative deal, and can absorb schools from the west or east should the opportunities arise and it makes sense.
 
Of the three power conferences not named SEC or B10, the BIG 12 is in the strongest position.

The acc is locked into a long term low pay deal, is reliant on Notre Dame and continues to have multiple schools that want out asap.

The PAC has lower payouts and just lost its main schools going into a negotiation with few avenues to expand. They are also dealing with schools that want out now.

Meanwhile the BIG 12 stabilized itself a year ago, has solid contracts for three more season before getting a more lucrative deal, and can absorb schools from the west or east should the opportunities arise and it makes sense.
That still is not saying much. Especially when only two conferences will be playing in the CFP and competing for the championship.
 
Outside of Syracuse, WVU mostly played 5-6 and 6-5 teams in their other 10 games that year.
Did WVU play a 6-5 team in a minor bowl game? Would WVU had been gifted a championship in that minor bowl game? That would be a no.

BYU, over the last decade, relatively comparable to a bad P5 team. They are able to get a fair number of P5 wins against lower level P5 teams, but have a terrible record against better ones. BYU is probably comparable over the last decade to some of the better teams in the AAC (UCF, Memphis, Cincy, Houston) and would match up well in the AAC.

BYU won 38% of their games against P5 opponents (16/42), albeit mostly by beating up on bad P5 teams.

Over those 10 years BYU played 23 P5 teams with a winning record vs other P5 opponents - against them BYU is winning 21% (5/23) with the wins being the ones most all endlessly brag on.
2012 GaTech
2013 Texas
2018 Wisconsin
2019 Tennessee
2019 USC
(losses to 2011 Texas, 2011 Utah, 2012 Oregon St, 2012 Notre Dame, 2013 Wisconsin, 2013 Notre Dame, 2013 Washington, 2015 UCLA, 2015 Michigan, 2015 Utah, 2016 Utah, 2016 W Virginia, 2017 LSU, 2017 Wisconsin, 2017 Miss St, 2018 Washington, 2018 Utah, 2019 Utah)

Against the lesser P5 teams BYU managed to win 11 of 19.
2011 Ole Miss (0-8 P5)
2012 Wash St (1-8 P5)
2013 GaTech (5-5 P5)
2014 Texas (5-6 P5)
2014 Virginia (4-6 P5)
2014 Cal (4-6 P5)
2015 Nebraska (4-7 P5)
2016 Arizona ( 1-8 P5)
2016 Mich St (2-8 P5)
2016 Miss St (3-5 P5)
2018 Arizona (4-5 P5)
(with losses to 2012 Utah, 2013 Virginia, 2013 Utah, 2015 Mizzou, 2016 UCLA, 2017 Utah, 2018 Cal, 2019 Washington)

BYU is, over the last decade, relatively comparable to a bad P5 team. They are able to get a fair number of P5 wins against lower level P5 teams, but have a terrible record against better ones. BYU is probably comparable over the last decade to some of the better teams in the AAC (UCF, Memphis, Cincy, Houston) and would match up well in the AAC.
 
Did WVU play a 6-5 team in a minor bowl game? Would WVU had been gifted a championship in that minor bowl game? That would be a no.

BYU, over the last decade, relatively comparable to a bad P5 team. They are able to get a fair number of P5 wins against lower level P5 teams, but have a terrible record against better ones. BYU is probably comparable over the last decade to some of the better teams in the AAC (UCF, Memphis, Cincy, Houston) and would match up well in the AAC.

BYU won 38% of their games against P5 opponents (16/42), albeit mostly by beating up on bad P5 teams.

Over those 10 years BYU played 23 P5 teams with a winning record vs other P5 opponents - against them BYU is winning 21% (5/23) with the wins being the ones most all endlessly brag on.
2012 GaTech
2013 Texas
2018 Wisconsin
2019 Tennessee
2019 USC
(losses to 2011 Texas, 2011 Utah, 2012 Oregon St, 2012 Notre Dame, 2013 Wisconsin, 2013 Notre Dame, 2013 Washington, 2015 UCLA, 2015 Michigan, 2015 Utah, 2016 Utah, 2016 W Virginia, 2017 LSU, 2017 Wisconsin, 2017 Miss St, 2018 Washington, 2018 Utah, 2019 Utah)

Against the lesser P5 teams BYU managed to win 11 of 19.
2011 Ole Miss (0-8 P5)
2012 Wash St (1-8 P5)
2013 GaTech (5-5 P5)
2014 Texas (5-6 P5)
2014 Virginia (4-6 P5)
2014 Cal (4-6 P5)
2015 Nebraska (4-7 P5)
2016 Arizona ( 1-8 P5)
2016 Mich St (2-8 P5)
2016 Miss St (3-5 P5)
2018 Arizona (4-5 P5)
(with losses to 2012 Utah, 2013 Virginia, 2013 Utah, 2015 Mizzou, 2016 UCLA, 2017 Utah, 2018 Cal, 2019 Washington)

BYU is, over the last decade, relatively comparable to a bad P5 team. They are able to get a fair number of P5 wins against lower level P5 teams, but have a terrible record against better ones. BYU is probably comparable over the last decade to some of the better teams in the AAC (UCF, Memphis, Cincy, Houston) and would match up well in the AAC.
All of that is under a false assumption that BYU recruiting will remain similar to a non P5 program. I guess time will tell and we can revisit in 5 years after Big12 play.
 
That still is not saying much. Especially when only two conferences will be playing in the CFP and competing for the championship.
This is just the wishful thinking of some. College football is nowhere near a juncture where only two conferences will be able to play for a championship. If that grave error ever comes about it won’t be until late 2030s at the earliest. Meanwhile for the next decade plus WVU will have a strong and stable conference.
 
This is just the wishful thinking of some. College football is nowhere near a juncture where only two conferences will be able to play for a championship. If that grave error ever comes about it won’t be until late 2030s at the earliest. Meanwhile for the next decade plus WVU will have a strong and stable conference.
Again, what is your job title?
 
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Did WVU play a 6-5 team in a minor bowl game? Would WVU had been gifted a championship in that minor bowl game? That would be a no.

BYU, over the last decade, relatively comparable to a bad P5 team. They are able to get a fair number of P5 wins against lower level P5 teams, but have a terrible record against better ones. BYU is probably comparable over the last decade to some of the better teams in the AAC (UCF, Memphis, Cincy, Houston) and would match up well in the AAC.

BYU won 38% of their games against P5 opponents (16/42), albeit mostly by beating up on bad P5 teams.

Over those 10 years BYU played 23 P5 teams with a winning record vs other P5 opponents - against them BYU is winning 21% (5/23) with the wins being the ones most all endlessly brag on.
2012 GaTech
2013 Texas
2018 Wisconsin
2019 Tennessee
2019 USC
(losses to 2011 Texas, 2011 Utah, 2012 Oregon St, 2012 Notre Dame, 2013 Wisconsin, 2013 Notre Dame, 2013 Washington, 2015 UCLA, 2015 Michigan, 2015 Utah, 2016 Utah, 2016 W Virginia, 2017 LSU, 2017 Wisconsin, 2017 Miss St, 2018 Washington, 2018 Utah, 2019 Utah)

Against the lesser P5 teams BYU managed to win 11 of 19.
2011 Ole Miss (0-8 P5)
2012 Wash St (1-8 P5)
2013 GaTech (5-5 P5)
2014 Texas (5-6 P5)
2014 Virginia (4-6 P5)
2014 Cal (4-6 P5)
2015 Nebraska (4-7 P5)
2016 Arizona ( 1-8 P5)
2016 Mich St (2-8 P5)
2016 Miss St (3-5 P5)
2018 Arizona (4-5 P5)
(with losses to 2012 Utah, 2013 Virginia, 2013 Utah, 2015 Mizzou, 2016 UCLA, 2017 Utah, 2018 Cal, 2019 Washington)

BYU is, over the last decade, relatively comparable to a bad P5 team. They are able to get a fair number of P5 wins against lower level P5 teams, but have a terrible record against better ones. BYU is probably comparable over the last decade to some of the better teams in the AAC (UCF, Memphis, Cincy, Houston) and would match up well in the AAC.
Now are you going to be honest and give attribution to the source you lifted this thesis from? A little birdie said this was written by....
 
Again, what is your job title?
He doesn't have a job. He has spent the better half of the last decade cruising from one message board to the next talking expansion nonsense. He is so famous that they even started a thread about him once. The better question to ask is what else do you do with your life besides spamming message boards with expansion talk.

 
All of that is under a false assumption that BYU recruiting will remain similar to a non P5 program. I guess time will tell and we can revisit in 5 years after Big12 play.
Going to a power 5 conference can't hurt Byu but the biggest problem they have is the Honor code. A devout Mormon might not have a problem with the no drinking no sex thing but a 4-5 star non Mormon says no dice. There just aren't enough Mormons out there to get around that.
 
This is just the wishful thinking of some. College football is nowhere near a juncture where only two conferences will be able to play for a championship. If that grave error ever comes about it won’t be until late 2030s at the earliest. Meanwhile for the next decade plus WVU will have a strong and stable conference.
The big 12 should be stable for the next decade but I wouldn't call it strong.
 
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Funny to see shills who do nothing but spam message boards attacking posters because they discuss a subject actually happening.

it’s very important the new commissioner get on top of such nonsense and get these sort of out of conference BIG 12 bashers off of BIG 12 boards and get the boards back to where conference fans and school fans of the conference can discuss the positive goings on and success and competitions.

we’ve seen what the alternative brings. Time for that to be shut down hopefully.
 
Used to really like the Big12, until they added byu.
BYU has a long respected football tradition. They also have a good reach with their fanbase. Was an add that made the most sense for the needs of the new configuration and so was the first choice.
 
BYU has a long respected football tradition. They also have a good reach with their fanbase. Was an add that made the most sense for the needs of the new configuration and so was the first choice.
Yes BYU is a solid addition. Easily the best of the 4 schools we added.
 
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BYU has a long respected football tradition. They also have a good reach with their fanbase. Was an add that made the most sense for the needs of the new configuration and so was the first choice.
good luck with ND jr.
 
All of that is under a false assumption that BYU recruiting will remain similar to a non P5 program. I guess time will tell and we can revisit in 5 years after Big12 play.
That would be 5 years from now and has nothing to do with previous years. I thought you claimed BYU was already P5? Why haven't they recruited as such? If BYU becomes king of Big 12 then Big 12 is a failure of wussy teams and shows why Texas and OU were looking for a way out.
 
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BYU defeated five PAC 12 schools last season including USC and Champion Utah which went on to lose by just 3 points to Big Ten champ Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.

obviously not only does BYU recruit at a power five level, they can also win at that level. They’ve been able to do that pretty consistently over the years.

Youd have to look at the teams they have beaten in so called power conferences such as ACC teams, SEC teams, PAC 12 teams, BIG 12 teams, and Big Ten teams all in just the last few years and before that too, to see if an idiotic statement such as getting beat by BYU means BIG 12 teams suck has any merit. Guess all those other conferences teams suck too then.
 
I would say they have the longest running and probably largest brand of the schools that have been added to date. They are all solid additions for sure.
Why wasn't BYU already in the PAC or Big 12 if they were such a great brand? Are you saying BYU brand is superior to all Big 12 teams?

In the simplest terms, branding is a marketing tactic that involves creating a name, symbol or design that distinguishes something from its competitors. But it extends far beyond that. In higher education, branding is more than just a school mascot and team colors.
 
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BYU defeated five PAC 12 schools last season including USC and Champion Utah which went on to lose by just 3 points to Big Ten champ Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.

obviously not only does BYU recruit at a power five level, they can also win at that level. They’ve been able to do that pretty consistently over the years.

Youd have to look at the teams they have beaten in so called power conferences such as ACC teams, SEC teams, PAC 12 teams, BIG 12 teams, and Big Ten teams all in just the last few years and before that too, to see if an idiotic statement such as getting beat by BYU means BIG 12 teams suck has any merit. Guess all those other conferences teams suck too then.
Ohhh last season. What was the W/L of those teams?
Arizona 1-11
Utah 10-4 (their best rival and first win in 9 years against them)
Washington State 7-6
USC 4-8
ASU 8-5
UVA 6-6
Overall 36-40 (looks like they sucked)

according to you, the so called expert, BYU has always been P5 so why do you claim it's such an awesome deal they beat the bottom feeder teams from those other conferences. Sure they upset one big one every now and then but who hasn't.


2-2 in 2019
2-2 in 2018
0-5 in 2017
3-4 in 2066
1-4 in 2015
3-0 in 2014 (Texas 6-7, UVA 5-7, California 5-7)
2-4 in 2013
2-3 in 2012
2-3 in 2011
1-3 in 2010
3-2 in 2009 (Oklahoma 8-5, Utah 10-3, Oregon State 8-5 in bowl game) the best season for them vs good BCS programs
2-3 in 2008

VS all P5 Programs 17-24

Surprising note ....
BYU has struggled more against the PAC-12 than any other conference. BYU's losing streak against Utah certainly hurts that percentage. BYU is 0-8 (actually 1-8 now in last 9 years) against Utah since going independent. If you exclude Utah, BYU has won 46% of its games against the PAC-12.

BYU is .500 or better against every other conference in college football:


BYU win % vs P5 conference is 41% (better run and hide WVU the Mormon's are coming for you) I guees WVU can chalk up another loss every year. According to Bucky BYU will win the Big 12 every year and dominate. Look out playoff teams of Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State!
 
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Now are you going to be honest and give attribution to the source you lifted this thesis from? A little birdie said this was written by....
Wasn't a thesis written by any news media individual or writer. From another message board not a claimed writer. So if he or she lifted it I suggest you go talk to them.
 
The 4 newbies and 2015-2020 avg TV viewers:

Cincinnati 1.21m
BYU 893k
UCF 407k
Houston 232k
 
Wasn't a thesis written by any news media individual or writer. From another message board not a claimed writer. So if he or she lifted it I suggest you go talk to them.
But you stole it from the other poster. So if you steal a stolen car that's ok? What a poser you have become...on all the forums you post nonstop.
 
But you stole it from the other poster. So if you steal a stolen car that's ok? What a poser you have become...on all the forums you post nonstop.
Other poster is not getting paid for what they posted. Stealing a car is not the same as posting a comment. What I copied was not word for word so therefore no need to give the quote to a persons comment on a message board. Here I thought you were educated.

Metaphors are figures of speech. I suggest you give credit to the one who wrote it from now on.

So how long will it be before your new 'Pal' KC comes and makes a dumbass comment on your behalf?
 
Going to a power 5 conference can't hurt Byu but the biggest problem they have is the Honor code. A devout Mormon might not have a problem with the no drinking no sex thing but a 4-5 star non Mormon says no dice. There just aren't enough Mormons out there to get around that.
You would be surprised on how many Mormons are out there. Lots of big kids in the Southern Pacific. Not many programs are able to recruit in those areas.
 
The big 12 should be stable for the next decade but I wouldn't call it strong.
Take away the B1G and SEC and the B12 may well be the most stable of the other 3. Definitely stronger than the P12. ACC may be the most vulnerable going forward. We won't have to worry about waiting till '35 to see the destruction of the ACC. ESPiN will see to that.
 
You would be surprised on how many Mormons are out there. Lots of big kids in the Southern Pacific. Not many programs are able to recruit in those areas.
6 million Mormons worldwide. They're not ND but that's a big number.
 
You would be surprised on how many Mormons are out there. Lots of big kids in the Southern Pacific. Not many programs are able to recruit in those areas.
Most kids' in the southern pacific do not play football. There numbers are not big at all only 6.5 million USA and 16 million world wide. There are more Catholics in the state of California and Texas then there are Mormons around the globe.
 
6 million Mormons worldwide. They're not ND but that's a big number.
Not really a big number 1.3 billion Catholics world wide at least 47 million Baptist Usa. why don't we start calling Baylor the Notre Dame of Baptists under some of this reasoning
 
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