WVU Still Not Respected By ACC

[WVUALLEN]

Elliott: "Within the ACC, they're not going to add somebody just to add somebody. West Virginia, from their internal calculations, would reduce the amount made per school -- not increase it. They view West Virginia as a bottom-half product in the ACC in terms of viewership, and you're not going to add somebody to the league that is going to reduce your per school payout, in addition to the fact that under the current structure, it means you've got to split the bowl pot 15 ways and not 14 and the playoff pot 15 ways and not 14.

For them, it's essentially Notre Dame and whoever Notre Dame wants to bring."

This story from a rival site so I will not leave a link.

 

[VaDave]

Elliott: "Within the ACC, they're not going to add somebody just to add somebody. West Virginia, from their internal calculations, would reduce the amount made per school -- not increase it. They view West Virginia as a bottom-half product in the ACC in terms of viewership, and you're not going to add somebody to the league that is going to reduce your per school payout, in addition to the fact that under the current structure, it means you've got to split the bowl pot 15 ways and not 14 and the playoff pot 15 ways and not 14.

For them, it's essentially Notre Dame and whoever Notre Dame wants to bring."

This story from a rival site so I will not leave a link.

well the facts don't support that notion at all. WVU games have consistently delivered very good ratings to ESPN over the years. This is just more propaganda....and let's all agree that having WVU in that league will increase attendance by huge percentages in most ACC stadiums.

 

[WVUALLEN]

well the facts don't support that notion at all. WVU games have consistently delivered very good ratings to ESPN over the years. This is just more propaganda....and let's all agree that having WVU in that league will increase attendance by huge percentages in most ACC stadiums.

I agree. This just shows there are many against as there are for it.

At least recruits have said they didn't pick WVU because of BIG 12. They chose them because of the program they are.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Respect?

The position they are in. They are really looking to kick some teams out
These schools have to compete with their SEC instate rival
Those schools have just added to their bottom line.

Doesn’t have anything to do with respect it is just business

 

[WVUALLEN]

Respect?

The position they are in. They are really looking to kick some teams out
These schools have to compete with their SEC instate rival
Those schools have just added to their bottom line.

Doesn’t have anything to do with respect it is just business

You are clueless indeed. I would rather be in a dead ACC than the remains of the shit pile in Big 12.

Pitt, Louisville, Boston College and Syracuse really moved the needle.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Respect?

The position they are in. They are really looking to kick some teams out
These schools have to compete with their SEC instate rival
Those schools have just added to their bottom line.

Doesn’t have anything to do with respect it is just business

It's like beating your head against the wall talking to the emotional child.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

You are clueless indeed. I would rather be in a dead ACC than the remains of the shit pile in Big 12.

Pitt, Louisville, Boston College and Syracuse really moved the needle.

That is problem in the ACC. They have to feed those schools.
Most of them don’t bring much to the table.
ACC haphazardly expanded. Now ESPN runs the conference because ESPN/SEc was afraid that the B1G was going to move in on GA Tech.

Do understand the purpose of the ACC as of today…
To keep the B1G out of talent rich states. That is it.
But the schools inside the conference like
Clemson and FSU have to live with those decisions made by UNC. Like adding those Northeast schools
Even without OU and Texas the game day attendance between the two conferences is about the same

 

[TownesVanZandt]

You can throw Pitt in there as well. I think their 2019 attendance was due to their home schedule
But the ACC has 5 schools who don’t have football fans

11 Syracuse​

5-Year Average: 35608.60

2019 National Ranking: 62

12 Boston College​

5-Year Average: 34018.80

2019 National Ranking: 64

13 Duke​

5-Year Average: 27115.20

2019 National Ranking: 79

14 Wake Forest​

5-Year Average: 27081.40

2019 National Ranking: 78

Big 12 only has one school who doesn’t get 40K
Kansas

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

You are clueless indeed. I would rather be in a dead ACC than the remains of the shit pile in Big 12.

Pitt, Louisville, Boston College and Syracuse really moved the needle.

Virginia Tech never really move the needle until Miami went to crap. If you remember the ACC championship was set up for Florida St and Miami to duke it out year after year.

VT was promoted by ESPIN year after year with trash teams

 

[Rootmaster]

The story is correct. Unfortunately WVU brings no money to the table.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

You can throw Pitt in there as well. I think their 2019 attendance was due to their home schedule
But the ACC has 5 schools who don’t have football fans

11 Syracuse​

5-Year Average: 35608.60

2019 National Ranking: 62

12 Boston College​

5-Year Average: 34018.80

2019 National Ranking: 64

13 Duke​

5-Year Average: 27115.20

2019 National Ranking: 79

14 Wake Forest​

5-Year Average: 27081.40

2019 National Ranking: 78

Big 12 only has one school who doesn’t get 40K
Kansas

PITT FUN FACT........

Most ACC wins since 2015

1. Clemson
2. Miami
3. Pitt

 

[TownesVanZandt]

PITT FUN FACT........

Most ACC wins since 2015

1. Clemson
2. Miami
3. Pitt

Nobody watched it happen so therefore it didn’t happen

 

[KingCoal]

It's like beating your head against the wall talking to the emotional child.

Then stop talking to yourself, so you won't be so frustrated and angry.

 

[SeronimusPratt]

so we talk a good talking thread and turn it into a bash thread. Par for the course on the MMB.

Going back to the article, how does he figure a team like Syracuse who has terrible ratings improves the ACC. By all means, WVU brings more revenue than Syracuse or even NC State.

 

[KingCoal]

so we talk a good talking thread and turn it into a bash thread. Par for the course on the MMB.

Going back to the article, how does he figure a team like Syracuse who has terrible ratings improves the ACC. By all means, WVU brings more revenue than Syracuse or even NC State.

Syracuse is incredibly overrated in everything, but basketball. My suspicion is that because so many talking heads in the sports media have graduated from there, the school avoids most criticism. It also doesn't hurt that the current President graduated from Syracuse's law school, even though he had to cheat just to finish 76th out of 85 in his graduating class.

 

[Tylerite]

Even if they realize the plus we would bring their elitest conference and reluctantly have us join, they still wouldn't respect us, even after all the wins we would have against them.

 

[SeronimusPratt]

There are quite a few ACC schools that have lower revenues in sports than WVU, pre-covid:

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sports.usatoday.com

notables: Marshall #101
lolz

 

[MichiganHerd]

notables: Marshall #101
lolz

Therein lies the problem with many within your fanbase. Constantly comparing yourself against Marshall. Should aim higher, and strive to be Ohio State or even Michigan, as both schools make 2X WVU's revenue. That's where you want to be, as opposed to besting a school like Marshall or Central Michigan.

 

[KingCoal]

Texas is #1 in revenue, as usual...still hasn't sniffed a CFP invitation...lather, rinse, repeat.

 

[Rootmaster]

Therein lies the problem with many within your fanbase. Constantly comparing yourself against Marshall. Should aim higher, and strive to be Ohio State or even Michigan, as both schools make 2X WVU's revenue. That's where you want to be, as opposed to besting a school like Marshall or Central Michigan.

Spot on!

 

[WVUALLEN]

so we talk a good talking thread and turn it into a bash thread. Par for the course on the MMB.

Going back to the article, how does he figure a team like Syracuse who has terrible ratings improves the ACC. By all means, WVU brings more revenue than Syracuse or even NC State.

See fake fan WVUFF for trashing thread. This guy Elliot is as meaningless as some of the troll bots we have on here.

Plain and simple ACC does not want WVU making money and stealing their recruits. How does someone fight that? A guy named Elliot writes a trash article.

 

[SabanWVUbound]

Elliott: "Within the ACC, they're not going to add somebody just to add somebody. West Virginia, from their internal calculations, would reduce the amount made per school -- not increase it. They view West Virginia as a bottom-half product in the ACC in terms of viewership, and you're not going to add somebody to the league that is going to reduce your per school payout, in addition to the fact that under the current structure, it means you've got to split the bowl pot 15 ways and not 14 and the playoff pot 15 ways and not 14.

For them, it's essentially Notre Dame and whoever Notre Dame wants to bring."

This story from a rival site so I will not leave a link.

That dude is clueless of values, tv sets are irrelevant with 20+ million cable cutters

 

[TownesVanZandt]

ESPN has the numbers from ESPN+ for WVU.

Maybe this year will change if WVU fans stream the games
If you want to get into the ACC…Buy ESPN+. Stream the games from your phone, tablet and computer at the same time

 

[WVUALLEN]

PITT FUN FACT........

Most ACC wins since 2015

1. Clemson
2. Miami
3. Pitt

Pitt with 29 conference wins 2015-2020
42-34 (29-22)
13-12 OOC

2015-2020 beating the likes of..
Syracuse 4-8; 4-8; 10-3; 5-7; 1-10
Va. Tech 7-6; 6-7; 5-6
UVA 4-8; 2-10; 6-7; 8-5;
Ga. Tech 3-9; 9-4; 7-6; 3-9; 3-7
UNC 7-6;
Duke 8-5; 4-8; 7-6; 8-5; 5-7;
Louisville 8-4; 4-7
Miami, Fl 10-3;
Clemson 14-1 (Pitt's biggest win all time in ACC);
Wake Forest 7-6;
FSU 3-6;

Really an impressive display of knocking off mediocrity.

 

[Volatility]

Elliott: "Within the ACC, they're not going to add somebody just to add somebody. West Virginia, from their internal calculations, would reduce the amount made per school -- not increase it. They view West Virginia as a bottom-half product in the ACC in terms of viewership, and you're not going to add somebody to the league that is going to reduce your per school payout, in addition to the fact that under the current structure, it means you've got to split the bowl pot 15 ways and not 14 and the playoff pot 15 ways and not 14.

For them, it's essentially Notre Dame and whoever Notre Dame wants to bring."

This story from a rival site so I will not leave a link.

Historically & Hilariously bad take by Elliott, which probably googled WV's population to form his opinion. There is absolutely ZERO data that suggest WVU would not add to the revenues and would be a "Bottom half" program in the ACC, ZERO.

IN fact, the collection of ALL data points suggest the exact opposite. WVU would be a top tier program with an immediate improvement to revenues.

TVMarket, Streaming, Game Attendance, Merch Sales, Brand Value, SM Fan Engagement, Recruiting, Facilities, , Student Athlete Grades & Graduation rates, ALL of these are Top 10-30 metrics. Collectively would place WVU in the top 3-5 in the ACC.

Not to mention- Multi Sport Success:

Top 20 Football program
Top 20 Basketball program
Top 10 Womens Soccer(Recently)
Top 3 Rifle
Top 25 Baseball(recently on an upward trajectory, tho not overall/historically)

Not to mention:

Secondary positive side effects of adding WVU will have for our opponents game attendance & ACCN subscriptions. VT, Pitt, Louisville, BC, Cuse, etc will all benefit from adding WVU, so will the ACC as a whole... Pitt & VT fans esp may subscribe to watch WVU vs VT or WVU vs Pitt, or go to the game... Re-activating multiple rivalries is good all around for the ACC as it nurtures more fan participation & engagement, not just in Football, but Basketball too.

This just proves many of these "writers" are just as ignorant and ill prepared for being in a decision making position as a regular fan who works at your local gas station and DJ's on the weekends at the town's only strip club.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Florida State doesn’t want you. They want to kick teams out

 

[WVUALLEN]

This forum doesn't want you. Yet your dumbass is here.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Historically & Hilariously bad take by Elliott, which probably googled WV's population to form his opinion. There is absolutely ZERO data that suggest WVU would not add to the revenues and would be a "Bottom half" program in the ACC, ZERO.

IN fact, the collection of ALL data points suggest the exact opposite. WVU would be a top tier program with an immediate improvement to revenues.

TVMarket, Streaming, Game Attendance, Merch Sales, Brand Value, SM Fan Engagement, Recruiting, Facilities, , Student Athlete Grades & Graduation rates, ALL of these are Top 10-30 metrics. Collectively would place WVU in the top 3-5 in the ACC.

Not to mention- Multi Sport Success:

Top 20 Football program
Top 20 Basketball program
Top 10 Womens Soccer(Recently)
Top 3 Rifle
Top 25 Baseball(recently on an upward trajectory, tho not overall/historically)

Not to mention:

Secondary positive side effects of adding WVU will have for our opponents game attendance & ACCN subscriptions. VT, Pitt, Louisville, BC, Cuse, etc will all benefit from adding WVU, so will the ACC as a whole... Pitt & VT fans esp may subscribe to watch WVU vs VT or WVU vs Pitt, or go to the game... Re-activating multiple rivalries is good all around for the ACC as it nurtures more fan participation & engagement, not just in Football, but Basketball too.

This just proves many of these "writers" are just as ignorant and ill prepared for being in a decision making position as a regular fan who works at your local gas station and DJ's on the weekends at the town's only strip club.

I think this Elliot is another troll profile of TVZ.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Just the truth that some people don’t want to accept
More than that it is the unknown.
Problem with the B1G as well

Your competition buys a Benz and a Caddy
You get a Hyundai 🤣
They are just going off name value
ACC does have to compete with the SEC. In their mind some schools think they are

 

[KingCoal]

Just the truth that some people don’t want to accept
More than that it is the unknown.
Problem with the B1G as well

Your competition buys a Benz and a Caddy
You get a Hyundai 🤣
They are just going off name value
ACC does have to compete with the SEC. In their mind some schools think they are

The B1G, which isn't losing its top football program, is the current leader in the clubhouse in TV revenue. Money talks and bulls!t walks. Take a hike, fake Texas fan.

🤡

 

[Volatility]

There are quite a few ACC schools that have lower revenues in sports than WVU, pre-covid:

NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY

Which are the most profitable college athletic programs in the country? See a ranked listed, including total revenue and expenses. Brought to you by USA TODAY.

sports.usatoday.com

notables: Marshall #101
lolz

This is a bit misleading(From an evaluation perspective), as the conference in which people play is a major determining factor for revenues. Also, not surprising UT is high, considering they have the longhorn network, which they dont have to split revenues from... Also, goes to show how "Revenue" does not = Outcome

From a conference realignment perspective: When evaluating the real "value" or revenue potential of a program, you have to look at other factors that do not count conference revenues.

(Primary)
TV Market, Streaming, Brand Value, Merch Sales, Game Attendance, Fan engagement & participation, etc. When measuring these, WVU would rank in the top 15-20, according to Navigate WVU = #7 from a Brand Equity Value Index perspective.

(Secondary)
Secondary factors also need to be considered. Lets say, renewing rivalries with multiple teams, or the likelihood of geographic rivalries quickly forming( WVU vs Pitt or WVU vs Vols or WVU vs MICH). This nurtures more overall fan engagement & participation from multiple programs ( ie increases viewership = increases conference media negotiating position). What teams would offer more secondary positive effects that improve profitability, for the conference & individual programs.

 

[KingCoal]

I'm not kidding when I post that Volatility should be hired by WVU's P.R. Department. Shameless self-promotion doesn't concern him. LOL

 

[TownesVanZandt]

The B1G, which isn't losing its top football program, is the current leader in the clubhouse in TV revenue. Money talks and bulls!t walks. Take a hike, fake Texas fan.

🤡

Not anymore
They aren’t adding Kansas to fix these issues

 

[KingCoal]

Not anymore
They aren’t adding Kansas to fix these issues

Back to playing Nostradumba$$, I see. You haven't predicted anything right ever. You predicted that USC would move to the Big 12. How incredibly foolish you are. Allen kicked your a$$ all over this board, so you changed the subject to the top revenue-producing conference in America, and can't be any more desperate to avoid having your teeth kicked in again, but here I am. LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Back to playing Nostradumba$$, I see. You haven't predicted anything right ever. You predicted that USC would move to the Big 12. How incredibly foolish you are. Allen kicked your a$$ all over this board, so you changed the subject to the top revenue-producing conference in America, and can't be any more desperate to avoid having your teeth kicked in again, but here I am. LOLOLOLOLOL

You really are gone
@WVUFanForever
You damaged the Ping Pong ball

 

[KingCoal]

You really are gone
@WVUFanForever
You damaged the Ping Pong ball

You're begging for help because I'm destroying you here. Just cut your losses and raise the white flag, zero.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

You're begging for help because I'm destroying you here. Just cut your losses and raise the white flag, zero.

He broke my ping pong ball. It is caved in

 

[KingCoal]

He broke my ping pong ball. It is caved in

Male lions are solitary creatures...you're begging for help, and know what you really are...

 

[Rootmaster]

Wvu doesn't bring much of contract value to the part regardless of what the fan forum experts think. The canoe has a hole in it.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Male lions are solitary creatures...you're begging for help, and know what you really are...

what does that have to do with my broken ping pong ball.
Get right