WVU is not necessarily in a bad spot in all this...

[steeleer]

There are really only 3 ways this goes as best as I can tell.

1) Nothing happens. No expansion. No GOR extension. At that point the B12 is dead man walking and we'll have 10 years to sell our program to someone. We lack TV's, but we are geographically continuous with 3 of the 4 remaining conferences (ACC, B10, SEC) if the B12 folds. Or we can scrape together a "new" B12 with what's left over. The networks likely won't want the later (another mouth to feed) and would likely act as the agent to get us into something better.

2) Expansion with WVU friendly teams (IMO Cinci and/or UCF) with GOR extension. Yay!! 20 years of security and we aren't on an island anymore. I don't feel this happens without a GOR extension since I feel getting one of these teams would appease everyone in the B12 (as long as UH is in the mix for UT apparently).

3) Expansion with WVU unfriendly teams (Houston, BYU, CSU, etc type teams only). I don't know if WVU agrees to a GOR extension in this case. If so, then it is what it is. If not....see #1.

I do think WVU isn't UT or OK, but I think moving as a single entity will allow our potential new conference the flexibility of using us to plug and play without dealing with the political baggage that most of the B12 teams do. Does UT have the ability to move without Baylor and TTech and TCU? Can OK move without OKSt? Plus we have worked with most of the SEC teams over the past decade in scheduling which does help if the crap hits the fan. Iowa State has one option and IOWa wants nothing to do with them in the B10. Kansas would be B10 or bust as well.

I really think WVU fans can just sit back and watch the show. We'll be alright.

 

[skygusty]

There are really only 3 ways this goes as best as I can tell.

1) Nothing happens. No expansion. No GOR extension. At that point the B12 is dead man walking and we'll have 10 years to sell our program to someone. We lack TV's, but we are geographically continuous with 3 of the 4 remaining conferences (ACC, B10, SEC) if the B12 folds. Or we can scrape together a "new" B12 with what's left over. The networks likely won't want the later (another mouth to feed) and would likely act as the agent to get us into something better.

2) Expansion with WVU friendly teams (IMO Cinci and/or UCF) with GOR extension. Yay!! 20 years of security and we aren't on an island anymore. I don't feel this happens without a GOR extension since I feel getting one of these teams would appease everyone in the B12 (as long as UH is in the mix for UT apparently).

3) Expansion with WVU unfriendly teams (Houston, BYU, CSU, etc type teams only). I don't know if WVU agrees to a GOR extension in this case. If so, then it is what it is. If not....see #1.

I do think WVU isn't UT or OK, but I think moving as a single entity will allow our potential new conference the flexibility of using us to plug and play without dealing with the political baggage that most of the B12 teams do. Does UT have the ability to move without Baylor and TTech and TCU? Can OK move without OKSt? Plus we have worked with most of the SEC teams over the past decade in scheduling which does help if the crap hits the fan. Iowa State has one option and IOWa wants nothing to do with them in the B10. Kansas would be B10 or bust as well.

I really think WVU fans can just sit back and watch the show. We'll be alright.

Academically, unless WVU radically shifts its admission stance and achieves a vastly improved academic rating, the Big10 isn't even going to answer the phone. The ACC has already said no six or seven times - I'd rate our chances there as slim to none. The SEC might have a slot for us, by far the best odds but not highly likely. To put it another way, if those conferences WANTED WVU, we would already be in one of those conferences.. Most of us fans don't have much choice but to sit back and watch the show. I personally think the odds favor a Big12 in ten years without Oklahoma. Hard to tell about Texas and what they will perceive as their self-interest in 10 years. If they both leave, they don't get to take the conference name away when they go. That might be worth a few bucks, and the path will be clear to add Cincy and Memphis and UCONN and ECU and whoever is left around at that point. In ten years I may not be able to remember my own name so I am going to try and enjoy things while I can.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

There are really only 3 ways this goes as best as I can tell.

1) Nothing happens. No expansion. No GOR extension. At that point the B12 is dead man walking and we'll have 10 years to sell our program to someone. We lack TV's, but we are geographically continuous with 3 of the 4 remaining conferences (ACC, B10, SEC) if the B12 folds. Or we can scrape together a "new" B12 with what's left over. The networks likely won't want the later (another mouth to feed) and would likely act as the agent to get us into something better.

2) Expansion with WVU friendly teams (IMO Cinci and/or UCF) with GOR extension. Yay!! 20 years of security and we aren't on an island anymore. I don't feel this happens without a GOR extension since I feel getting one of these teams would appease everyone in the B12 (as long as UH is in the mix for UT apparently).

3) Expansion with WVU unfriendly teams (Houston, BYU, CSU, etc type teams only). I don't know if WVU agrees to a GOR extension in this case. If so, then it is what it is. If not....see #1.

I do think WVU isn't UT or OK, but I think moving as a single entity will allow our potential new conference the flexibility of using us to plug and play without dealing with the political baggage that most of the B12 teams do. Does UT have the ability to move without Baylor and TTech and TCU? Can OK move without OKSt? Plus we have worked with most of the SEC teams over the past decade in scheduling which does help if the crap hits the fan. Iowa State has one option and IOWa wants nothing to do with them in the B10. Kansas would be B10 or bust as well.

I really think WVU fans can just sit back and watch the show. We'll be alright.

Good points but the timeline if #1 occurs is 3-5 years because plans will be in concrete by 2023 if one or two of the big boys leave I would think Also regrading your #1 thoughts I don't see the Big10 as any possibility at all. I can see the ACC and SEC as a definite fit if the stars lined up. And, under no circumstances do I see WVU not signing an extended GOR if Texas and Oklahoma sign off IMO. The bottom line is I agree 100% with your last paragraph. If four 4 conferences emerge that will force ND kicking and screaming into the ACC. That's the only reason why ND reserved a spot in ACC. They know if he landscape goes to 4 super conferences they won't have a choice but to secure a spot. So that leaves 1 spot for ACC. 2 spots for Big10. 2 spots for SEC and 4 spots for PAC 12. That is 9 spots. Say BYU is logical to
PAC 12 that would leave 8 spots. Your last paragraph is spot on IMO.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

WVU's academic status has been increasing since Dr. Gee took over as president. Research grants and partnerships have gone up significantly and are showing results such as exposing the Volkswagen scandal.

The current administration has achieved another significant step toward AAU certification with a recent award I cannot recall the name of.

The facility improvements across the board are nothing short of amazing in such a short time and continue at a frantic pace. The stadium changes that are finished look first class. The academic changes are there, you just can't take pictures of them.

Texas, Oklahoma and all of the other members will do what is in their own best interests. As far as I can see that is remaining in the Big 12. I hope they go strictly by their extensive research and expand with whoever will help the conference long term.

 

[WVURumm32]

Good points but the timeline if #1 occurs is 3-5 years because plans will be in concrete by 2023 if one or two of the big boys leave I would think Also regrading your #1 thoughts I don't see the Big10 as any possibility at all. I can see the ACC and SEC as a definite fit if the stars lined up. And, under no circumstances do I see WVU not signing an extended GOR if Texas and Oklahoma sign off IMO. The bottom line is I agree 100% with your last paragraph. If four 4 conferences emerge that will force ND kicking and screaming into the ACC. That's the only reason why ND reserved a spot in ACC. They know if he landscape goes to 4 super conferences they won't have a choice but to secure a spot. So that leaves 1 spot for ACC. 2 spots for Big10. 2 spots for SEC and 4 spots for PAC 12. That is 9 spots. Say BYU is logical to
PAC 12 that would leave 8 spots. Your last paragraph is spot on IMO.

I could be wrong but I don't see schools like Stanford and Cal going to bed with BYU as a conference mate.

 

[steeleer]

I could be wrong but I don't see schools like Stanford and Cal going to bed with BYU as a conference mate.

Liberal conference with a heavily religious university? We'd have better luck getting into the B10.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

There are really only 3 ways this goes as best as I can tell.

1) Nothing happens. No expansion. No GOR extension. At that point the B12 is dead man walking and we'll have 10 years to sell our program to someone. We lack TV's, but we are geographically continuous with 3 of the 4 remaining conferences (ACC, B10, SEC) if the B12 folds. Or we can scrape together a "new" B12 with what's left over. The networks likely won't want the later (another mouth to feed) and would likely act as the agent to get us into something better.

2) Expansion with WVU friendly teams (IMO Cinci and/or UCF) with GOR extension. Yay!! 20 years of security and we aren't on an island anymore. I don't feel this happens without a GOR extension since I feel getting one of these teams would appease everyone in the B12 (as long as UH is in the mix for UT apparently).

3) Expansion with WVU unfriendly teams (Houston, BYU, CSU, etc type teams only). I don't know if WVU agrees to a GOR extension in this case. If so, then it is what it is. If not....see #1.

I do think WVU isn't UT or OK, but I think moving as a single entity will allow our potential new conference the flexibility of using us to plug and play without dealing with the political baggage that most of the B12 teams do. Does UT have the ability to move without Baylor and TTech and TCU? Can OK move without OKSt? Plus we have worked with most of the SEC teams over the past decade in scheduling which does help if the crap hits the fan. Iowa State has one option and IOWa wants nothing to do with them in the B10. Kansas would be B10 or bust as well.

I really think WVU fans can just sit back and watch the show. We'll be alright.

Is there anything that would bring an expansion plan to the BOD and have UT and OK agree to the plan but say no to an extension of GOR? I mean, if the long-term goal of UT/OK is to be somewhere else, regardless of expansion, why would they agree to extend GOR?

 

[steeleer]

WVU's academic status has been increasing since Dr. Gee took over as president. Research grants and partnerships have gone up significantly and are showing results such as exposing the Volkswagen scandal.

The current administration has achieved another significant step toward AAU certification with a recent award I cannot recall the name of.

The facility improvements across the board are nothing short of amazing in such a short time and continue at a frantic pace. The stadium changes that are finished look first class. The academic changes are there, you just can't take pictures of them.

Texas, Oklahoma and all of the other members will do what is in their own best interests. As far as I can see that is remaining in the Big 12. I hope they go strictly by their extensive research and expand with whoever will help the conference long term.

I mentioned the B10 only because we sit right between OH and PA. The good news? We have 10 years to work the academic end (AAU/lower acceptance rate/lower drop out rate).

The bad news? I don't see Gee here 10 years from now. Boy would he be helpful with the B10. He was huge for OSU during his time there (non-PC comments aside) and he would have been a huge advocate for our proposal there.

No matter what, WVU is long overdue to institute a JC system which helps weed out the high risk/low reward students that have killed our rankings. I think WVU is a great school, but it's mission has hurt our national perception. The JC system will fix that. My bet is buying MSU was a first step in that process.

 

[steeleer]

Is there anything that would bring an expansion plan to the BOD and have UT and OK agree to the plan but say no to an extension of GOR? I mean, if the long-term goal of UT/OK is to be somewhere else, regardless of expansion, why would they agree to extend GOR?

It's always possible. I just don't think the other teams go for that....which then nixes the expansion and brings us back to #1.

 

[Rootmaster]

None of these choices will be in play. It will be a split between West and East in some fashion. Need to penetrate markets in the East for eyeballs and geographic considerations for WVU. Also will get the Eastern oriented schools voted in by giving Texas schools a more traditional Western addition. Houston for the West, Cincinnati for the East are as close to locks as there can be. There is chatter about having a complete bridge to the East (and WVU) by taking a hard look at Memphis and even the academically sound Tulane in New Orleans. Personally, I look for Memphis and Colorado State to balance the East and West. No true source but a lot of old chums at the affected institutions. Guess we will see.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

I could be wrong but I don't see schools like Stanford and Cal going to bed with BYU as a conference mate.

Not saying you're wrong but I imagine some of the PAC 12 are not achademic standouts. I doubt Stanford and Cal make the rules in that conference. BYU is a geographic football play that helps a football conference that needs better programs.

 

[Nova Mountaineer]

Someone needs to explain to me in simple terms why Texas and Oklahoma would leave the Big 12. It seems to me that they carry big sticks in the Big 12. Don't always get their way but do get listened to and most of the time get their ways. Now in any other conference (Pac 12, SEC and Big 10) seems that they would NOT be the big dogs in the pack but rather would have to
share that role. Also, winning the Big 12 title practically insures a place in the playoffs. So I'm trying to figure why would they leave.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Someone needs to explain to me in simple terms why Texas and Oklahoma would leave the Big 12. It seems to me that they carry big sticks in the Big 12. Don't always get their way but do get listened to and most of the time get their ways. Now in any other conference (Pac 12, SEC and Big 10) seems that they would NOT be the big dogs in the pack but rather would have to
share that role. Also, winning the Big 12 title practically insures a place in the playoffs. So I'm trying to figure why would they leave.

What other conference would allow Texas to keep the LHN?

 

[skygusty]

Someone needs to explain to me in simple terms why Texas and Oklahoma would leave the Big 12. It seems to me that they carry big sticks in the Big 12. Don't always get their way but do get listened to and most of the time get their ways. Now in any other conference (Pac 12, SEC and Big 10) seems that they would NOT be the big dogs in the pack but rather would have to
share that role. Also, winning the Big 12 title practically insures a place in the playoffs. So I'm trying to figure why would they leave.

We have heard for months that Texas and Oklahoma cannot tolerate falling behind other conferences financially, despite the fact that they are the #2 and #8 college teams in total sports revenue in the country. I personally have no insight into their total motivations, but if it is money that is the ultimate argument, over tradition, geography, history and influence, then money will determine what they do. From my perspective they have everything they could ever want in the Big12. But all I hear is that more money is the most important thing for them, and pretty much the sole reason behind expanding. So would they leave for more money? My guess is yes until they prove otherwise.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Let's clarify the situation:

The ACC, Big 10 and SEC have made it clear that they don't want WVU. That's why Oliver Luck had to squeeze WVU into the Big 12, which has 10 teams.
Geography is irrelevant in today's big boy football conferences. That's why WVU is in the Big 12 with Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa and Kansas schools.
Money IS relevant. That's why WVU is collecting $30 million a year from the Big 12 plus maybe $8 million in 3rd tier rights (thank Oliver Luck again for dumping John Raese's sweetheart deal and going to IMF) when it never got more than $9.9 million in any year from the Big East that disintegrated in football.
The key to the Big 12 is Oklahoma and Texas (duh). If both stay, the Big 12 is fine. If either or both leave, then the Big 12 becomes the next AAC, and WVU no longer has a life raft.
I'm almost 84 (as of Nov. 5), so I think I'll see Oklahoma or Texas in Mountaineer Field every year till I die since I'm not about to stop buying season tickets. After a few decades, it's become a habit.
But I also love my alma mater, so I hope WVU is fixed financially if there's another conference realignment landslide, even if I'm 6 feet under when it happens. Under my double grave marker with my late wife's name and mine having the "WV" under each name, there will be some serious seismic activity if WVU is left out in the financial cold the way Cincy and UConn are today.
Last, but not least: I'm sure glad WVU gets $38 million a year and Marshall gets $200,000, although West Virginia taxpayers who subsidize the green program with taxpayer green are not.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Someone needs to explain to me in simple terms why Texas and Oklahoma would leave the Big 12. It seems to me that they carry big sticks in the Big 12. Don't always get their way but do get listened to and most of the time get their ways. Now in any other conference (Pac 12, SEC and Big 10) seems that they would NOT be the big dogs in the pack but rather would have to
share that role. Also, winning the Big 12 title practically insures a place in the playoffs. So I'm trying to figure why would they leave.

Nova you accidentally left out the ACC in your post. They couldn't bully the ACC either. Anyway, the money in he Big10 and SEC is more plus they know things that we don't. Like maybe the next Big12 deal may not be atteactive for example. There are things they know that might be driving their behavior. You don't think we have all of the information do you?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Not saying you're wrong but I imagine some of the PAC 12 are not achademic standouts. I doubt Stanford and Cal make the rules in that conference. BYU is a geographic football play that helps a football conference that needs better programs.

ASU is similar (not academic standout) to WVU in terms of academic standing.

I don't see Berkley being in the same conference as BYU.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

ASU is similar (not academic standout) to WVU in terms of academic standing.

I don't see Berkley being in the same conference as BYU.

Cal doesn't make the rules out west. Far from it. Duke's a pretty good school right? Some might say better than Cal. How'd Louisville get in the ACC? This is about money and the future business model. I have no idea if BYU ends up anywhere. I was just giving a hypothetical point if PAC 12 goes to 16.

 

[steeleer]

None of these choices will be in play. It will be a split between West and East in some fashion. Need to penetrate markets in the East for eyeballs and geographic considerations for WVU. Also will get the Eastern oriented schools voted in by giving Texas schools a more traditional Western addition. Houston for the West, Cincinnati for the East are as close to locks as there can be. There is chatter about having a complete bridge to the East (and WVU) by taking a hard look at Memphis and even the academically sound Tulane in New Orleans. Personally, I look for Memphis and Colorado State to balance the East and West. No true source but a lot of old chums at the affected institutions. Guess we will see.

Your scenario would be a #2 example.

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

There are really only 3 ways this goes as best as I can tell.

2) Expansion with WVU friendly teams (IMO Cinci and/or UCF) with GOR extension. .

I would not consider UCF as a partner for WVU. It is as far away from Morgantown as the rest of the B12.

AND CFE - The SEC was only choosing one more team and they picked Mizzou. It they had been picking one of two more they would have chosen WVU. So the SEC is still a possibility. Vernon has stated many time that the ACC asked if we were interested after Maryland left but the B12 ship had already sailed. If they go to 16 I think we would be in good shape. And yes our Academics are not good enough for the B10.(a fact that really does make angry)

 

[Pitt4Life34]

ASU is similar (not academic standout) to WVU in terms of academic standing.

I don't see Berkley being in the same conference as BYU.

Some of you guys just say stuff that is not accurate. I was curious so I looked up a long standing respected university ranking entity. US News and World Report. What I found out makes you a resident moron and jagoff. There's you post eighth there. And a few others took shots at BYU. Here ya go fools.

US News Ranking 2016

BYU 71
Zina 121
ASU 129
Oregan St 135
Washington St 140

I got bored but I an comfortable knowing I can say without a doubt in my mind that some of you guys should drive your car or motorcycle into a cave and never come out. Morons! Oh BTW before you cast stones know that WVU is ranked 175. Sorry but Cal does not look down their noses after that roll call. FYI Penn State is ranked 47th and the University of Pittsburgh is ranked 66th.

Remember I'm just a Mesanger so be gentle all.

 

[steeleer]

I would not consider UCF as a partner for WVU. It is as far away from Morgantown as the rest of the B12.

AND CFE - The SEC was only choosing one more team and they picked Mizzou. It they had been picking one of two more they would have chosen WVU. So the SEC is still a possibility. Vernon has stated many time that the ACC asked if we were interested after Maryland left but the B12 ship had already sailed. If they go to 16 I think we would be in good shape. And yes our Academics are not good enough for the B10.(a fact that really does make angry)

Partner? No.

A school that allows them to showcase in Florida once a year and allow Florida recruits to come "home" to play in front of their families? Yes.

Officially USF could serve the same purpose, but they are a mess on and off the field right now.

BTW....totally right on both accounts relating to the SEC/ACC. The argument could be made that the ACC only offered WVU to try to screw the B12.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Some of you guys just say stuff that is not accurate. I was curious so I looked up a long standing respected university ranking entity. US News and World Report. What I found out makes you a resident moron and jagoff. There's you post eighth there. And a few others took shots at BYU. Here ya go fools.

US News Ranking 2016

BYU 71
Zina 121
ASU 129
Oregan St 135
Washington St 140

I got bored but I an comfortable knowing I can say without a doubt in my mind that some of you guys should drive your car or motorcycle into a cave and never come out. Morons! Oh BTW before you cast stones know that WVU is ranked 175. Sorry but Cal does not look down their noses after that roll call. FYI Penn State is ranked 47th and the University of Pittsburgh is ranked 66th.

Remember I'm just a Mesanger so be gentle all.

I wasn't talking about BYU's academic standing. I was talking about the cultural and social contrast of Berkley and BYU.

You're the moron for not getting it. Your post is riddled with errors that I will highlight when I have more time - do not attempt to correct them yourself.

 

[Rootmaster]

Greg sorry but this was too good to pass up.

achademic standout

There is nothing I can add to this. lol

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Partner? No.

A school that allows them to showcase in Florida once a year and allow Florida recruits to come "home" to play in front of their families? Yes.

Officially USF could serve the same purpose, but they are a mess on and off the field right now.

BTW....totally right on both accounts relating to the SEC/ACC. The argument could be made that the ACC only offered WVU to try to screw the B12.

Good point on Florida! I know you aren't saying it but ACC WVU rumor on this board is a complete falsehood. From the highest levels at Pitt I can tell you that. Nordburg was a WVU proponent and wanted WVU included in the expansion move but Pitt was impotent and in survival mode.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Greg sorry but this was too good to pass up.



There is nothing I can add to this. lol

Cut me a break LOL. Driving and stop light post! Funny granted!!!!

 

[Mountain Man]

Some of you guys just say stuff that is not accurate. I was curious so I looked up a long standing respected university ranking entity. US News and World Report. What I found out makes you a resident moron and jagoff. There's you post eighth there. And a few others took shots at BYU. Here ya go fools.

US News Ranking 2016

BYU 71
Zina 121
ASU 129
Oregan St 135
Washington St 140

I got bored but I an comfortable knowing I can say without a doubt in my mind that some of you guys should drive your car or motorcycle into a cave and never come out. Morons! Oh BTW before you cast stones know that WVU is ranked 175. Sorry but Cal does not look down their noses after that roll call. FYI Penn State is ranked 47th and the University of Pittsburgh is ranked 66th.

Remember I'm just a Mesanger so be gentle all.

Spare me the biased BS in USNewsworldorder report. It favors private schools. WVU has 26 Rhodes Scholars, 40 Goldwater Scholars, The Worlds 1st and only partnership with the FBI's biometric forensics program, and 15 of the current and past fortune 500 CEO's. You didn't get the fully accurate message.

 

[Mountain Man]

I would not consider UCF as a partner for WVU. It is as far away from Morgantown as the rest of the B12.

AND CFE - The SEC was only choosing one more team and they picked Mizzou. It they had been picking one of two more they would have chosen WVU. So the SEC is still a possibility. Vernon has stated many time that the ACC asked if we were interested after Maryland left but the B12 ship had already sailed. If they go to 16 I think we would be in good shape. And yes our Academics are not good enough for the B10.(a fact that really does make angry)

Per one of my clients who is a 7 figure Florida booster said WVU had the votes for the SEC except Vanderbilt. CBS & ESPN moved in and says it wanted Mizzou for the KC/STL markets. Vernon did mention the ACC came calling about a week or 2 after WVU signed the GOR for the XII.

At the undergraduate level our academics are on par with most of the B1G it's the graduate levels that make the big difference. The B1G gets multi billion dollar research grants from an endowment fund. Most schools would be at the same level due to the academic research welfare. I know I attended a B1G school at the undergraduate level and WVU and there's not much of a difference.

 

[WVUALLEN]

A few things that can help WVU...

1. OU and Texas stay and sign extended GOR

2. WVU wins some games and co,mpetes every year for Big 12 title

3. WVU improves academics

4. WVU continues to improve facilities and get help from government to expand the airport in Morgantown.

5. College playoffs are extend to 6 teams and ND stays independent due to this change.This also may help the Big 12 to survive.

Expansion changes that would help if Big 12 folds.

A. Texas and Texas Tech go to Pac 12, OSU and Oklahoma to SEC, The ACC might be forced to take WVU.

B. Texas and Kansas to B1G, OSU and Oklahoma to SEC. The ACC might be forced into same situation of taking WVU

C. Texas, Texas Tech., OU, OSU go to Pac 12. This gives WVU a shot at 6 remaining spots with 2 each in the ACC, SEC, and B1G. Making 4 conferences of 16 teams each.

Notre Dame situation is unique in the fact they are in an area that they can join the SEC, ACC, B1G or PAC 12 without travel issues due to being in Purdue, Indiana. It's like a Hub for all 4 conferences.

Or I could just be off my MEDS

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Spare me the biased BS in USNewsworldorder report. It favors private schools. WVU has 26 Rhodes Scholars, 40 Goldwater Scholars, The Worlds 1st and only partnership with the FBI's biometric forensics program, and 15 of the current and past fortune 500 CEO's. You didn't get the fully accurate message.

Hey I'm a big proponent of WVU! Respect the university and go to a couple games per year. 4 games a few years back. I was just curious quite frankly about the shots BYU was taking on the site. No harm intended. I just used that ranking because I've seen it over the years. No other reason. The results of the 15 min search was what I posted. It was intended to confront the BYU education bashing a few posters claimed. Nothing more. The guy was claiming ASU was a better or more highly regarded school than BYU. Obviously not the case. No harm intended.

 

[mountaineerndixie]

If something happens to WVU with the Big 12, the ACC WILL be an option. Their position has changed since we tried last. Academics cannot be an excuse after taking UL and I think the newer schools there would mostly be in favor of us. They may hate us but we are a good draw and carry our own weight. The Tobacco Road Mafia lost some serious grip when they expanded...but they had to stay alive.

 

[AZeer]

A few things that can help WVU...

1. OU and Texas stay and sign extended GOR

2. WVU wins some games and co,mpetes every year for Big 12 title

3. WVU improves academics

4. WVU continues to improve facilities and get help from government to expand the airport in Morgantown.

5. College playoffs are extend to 6 teams and ND stays independent due to this change.This also may help the Big 12 to survive.

Expansion changes that would help if Big 12 folds.

A. Texas and Texas Tech go to Pac 12, OSU and Oklahoma to SEC, The ACC might be forced to take WVU.

B. Texas and Kansas to B1G, OSU and Oklahoma to SEC. The ACC might be forced into same situation of taking WVU

C. Texas, Texas Tech., OU, OSU go to Pac 12. This gives WVU a shot at 6 remaining spots with 2 each in the ACC, SEC, and B1G. Making 4 conferences of 16 teams each.

Notre Dame situation is unique in the fact they are in an area that they can join the SEC, ACC, B1G or PAC 12 without travel issues due to being in Purdue, Indiana. It's like a Hub for all 4 conferences.

Or I could just be off my MEDS

Live and learn, I always thought ND was in South Bend, IN.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Hey I'm a big proponent of WVU! Respect the university and go to a couple games per year. 4 games a few years back. I was just curious quite frankly about the shots BYU was taking on the site. No harm intended. I just used that ranking because I've seen it over the years. No other reason. The results of the 15 min search was what I posted. It was intended to confront the BYU education bashing a few posters claimed. Nothing more. The guy was claiming ASU was a better or more highly regarded school than BYU. Obviously not the case. No harm intended.

Who claimed that?

 

[genghis_card]

Live and learn, I always thought ND was in South Bend, IN.

LOL. That's right. And Purdue is in Lafayette. There is no "Purdue, Indiana".

 

[VaultHunter]

I hate how delicious some WVU fans are. Actually it's just being 100% Homer and I guess that's OK but it will just always be disappointing for some. WVU will never be in the Big10. Ever. The ACC already said no. The SEC will never happen. The only way that even has a remote chance of happening is multiple National Championships in football or basketball or both. Or at least getting both programs to an elite level and staying there for 5 to 10 years. The best thing WVU can hope for is the Big12 to expand keep its place in the order (3rd) and this conference continue to grow and remain strong. If the Big12 disbands WVU will be in trouble. It's about conference stability and building for the future.

 

[Buckaineer]

WVU and others in the conference need a strong BIG 12.

There aren't going to be many if any spots available in power conferences if the outside is successful in breaking up the conference.

The ACC is only going to expand if they get ND to join as a full member and then you have several schools fighting for a position there. They are going to defer to ND.

In the SEC they are going after Texas and Oklahoma. If they got Texas, they are going to have to take Texas Tech probably and if they get Oklahoma they'll probably have to get Oklahoma State

Big Ten AAU status means Texas, Kansas and Iowa State first considerations with Oklahoma the non AAU exception.
They have money and a new contract in 2023 before the BIG 12s

The PAC 12 isn't expanding to Morgantown.

 

[ncat33]

Just a random thought that could work to get to 64:

WVU/ Kan to B1G (Completes eastern quad with MD, PSU, & RU. KU is an AAU member and both are land grant universities.

TX/ND to ACC (I think they would be allowed to keep the LHN to make it work, & TX wants to stay in the east)

The next two are the hardest to predict

OU/ISU/TT/BYU to THE PAC (OU and KU could be switched; personally don't see both OK schools in the SEC/B1G. There needs to be some sot of bridge to the west.) TCU could probably be switched for BYU here and I would be okay with that too.

KSU/OSU to SEC 2 football crazy schools, connect with existing SEC states.

I would like for the Big12 to stay together, I just don't think it is possible in the long term. BU gets left behind

 

[Buckaineer]

The Big Ten doesn't admit non AAU schools. OU one of the top two programs might have trouble being considered there as a result.

WVU is not going to be a consideration there unless somehow they are admitted to the AAU in the next decade.

Its important that the BIG 12 continues to thrive for WVU.

Otherwise ACC one potential spot- but they won't grow without ND.

OR

SEC - one of two potential spots- but they want OU and Texas and would likely add whomever they had to to gain either- and that means no WVU. OSU or one of the other Texas schools.

WVUs shot there would be if OU and UT went somewhere else and even the. You are up against Texas schools and OK schools

 

[American Male]

I envision these scenarios WHEN the B-12 IMPLODES:

ACC:
1) Texas as partial member (like Notre Dame)..For Now...Rolling LHN into ACCN.
2) West Virginia (reinstating the Backyard Brawl), if Texas heads to the PAC.
3) Cincinnati, if WVU gets taken by the SEC.
4) Cincinnati and U-Conn.

BIG:
1) Kansas and Oklahoma (Reunites them with Nebraska).
2) Kansas and U-Conn (if Oklahoma joins Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech in the PAC).

PAC:
1) The Oklahoma Schools, Texas and Texas Tech.
2) Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech (if Oklahoma and Texas head to the BIG and ACC).

SEC:
1) Oklahoma and West Virginia.
2) Oklahoma and Houston.
3) Oklahoma State and West Virginia.
4) Oklahoma State and Houston
5) Kansas State and West Virginia.
6) Kansas State and Houston.
7) Kansas State and Oklahoma State (Ties Arkansas, Missouri and Texas together).
8) West Virginia and Houston.
9) West Virginia and East Carolina (Gets the SEC in the Virginia's and Carolina's).
10) Houston and East Carolina.

G-5 and P-5 Independents:
Air Force (G), Army (G), BYU (P), Navy (G), Notre Dame (P), Texas (P).

In this scenario, the ACC selects option #4...The BIG selects option #1...The PAC selects option #2...The SEC selects either options 8, 9 or 10.

Baylor, Iowa State and TCU join the MWC!!!

West Virginia BELONGS in either the ACC or SEC!!!

imp:

 

[Buckaineer]

Most likely scenario:

BIG 12 goes ahead with plans for expansion to 14 schools. Networks try to push back but legal contracts are binding.

Schools added:
Cincinnati
UConn
BYU
Houston

In a negotiation ESPN and FOX improve BIG 12 payouts but extend the contracts and grants of rights to 2031 to coincide with the LHN.

in 2019, with the added inventory and territory the BIG 12 begins a network of their own.