WVU football had top 15 SOS

[Buckaineer]

Saw this on another WVU site but bears repeating, especially considering the usual swarm of lies and hate directed at Holgorsen and the WVU program.

WVU just finished a schedule at 10 wins that was rated as the 15th toughest schedule in the nation.

How does this compare to previous good seasons at WVU in terms of SOS?

2011 - 57th

2007 - 40th

2006 - 37th

2005 - 63rd

So anyone that can think can see that in fact WVU achieved very good results and faced quite a difficult schedule--with nearly half the opponents--6 of 13 --achieving 9 wins or better.

Here are the other teams this year that played a similarly tough schedule:

Alabama, FSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Oklahoma

That is it

 

[Buckaineer]

Just to follow up since no one wants to talk about anything good for WVU,

FSU-3 losses including 63-20 blowout to multiple loss Louisville and a loss to 8-5 UNC
Ohio State -2 losses including 31-0 blowout shutout to Clemson
Wisconsin-3 losses with only win against P5 ranked teams coming against then #8 MSU which finished with 3 total wins and a 4 loss LSU team extremely overated to start the season that fired their coach midway through
Oklahoma-2 losses including double digits to Ohio State and Houston

In other words, people are going out of their way to downrate WVU and its schedule this past year--it was a very successful season.

 

[hbeacheer]

It's difficult getting to double digit wins in a season. The big 12 is a tough conference year in and year out. if people can't appreciate a ten win season, that's on them.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Normally I disgree with you because all you like to talk about is bringing on expansion and watering down the greatest conference WVU has ever have the pleasure and honor of playing in with a bunch of urban/city/commuter schools. However, when I can find common ground, I embrace it and offer assistance.

Link

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm


Great schedule. Tough Grind and Good Results. We scratched off beating the Fighting Bill Snyders and swept Texas. Next year beat Oklahoma.

 

[Orlaco]

WVU's SOS was pretty high... ...I assume you're referring to Sagarins.

I suppose we can also take pride because of the beat down they gave our team Miami finished ranked 12th in his rankings.

Now I feel wonderful. Thx.

 

[Buckaineer]

Normally I disgree with you because all you like to talk about is bringing on expansion and watering down the greatest conference WVU has ever have the pleasure and honor of playing in with a bunch of urban/city/commuter schools. However, when I can find common ground, I embrace it and offer assistance.

Link

http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm


Great schedule. Tough Grind and Good Results. We scratched off beating the Fighting Bill Snyders and swept Texas. Next year beat Oklahoma.

I talk about many things WVU-including successful soccer, football and basketball seasons. When I discuss expansion its because the conference is considering it, or because its something necessary to keep the conference on par with the other P5s which it is slowly but surely falling behind.

If you have some problem with whatever an urban/city/commuter school is (sounds like a racial issue you have to me)--none of which the BIG 12 considered (they only considered major state universities or major private institutions with high academic standing and successful athletics programs) then that is on you and has nothing to do with me or anything I've discussed.

seriously, what is an urban/city/commuter school--you mean like Ohio State, Pittsburgh, USC, UCLA, Washington, Miami, etc.?

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

seriously, what is an urban/city/commuter school--you mean like Ohio State, Pittsburgh, USC, UCLA, Washington, Miami, etc.?

Ohio State has fans and they're the STATE school in Ohio.
Pitt has no fans, and they're what the 5th or 6th draw in Pittsburgh at best.
USC has fans (if they're winning)
UCLA has less fans than USC (even if they're winning)
Washington has fans-they're also the STATE school in Washington.
Miami won't sellout unless it's vs FSU or ND. The orange bowl looks emptier than Heinz Field for the other games.

Get what I mean by Urban/City/Commuter? It basically means nobody there really gives 2 shits about them. See cincinnati, Houston, Directional FL 1 & 2, etc, etc as examples.

Btw try some decaf. Throwing up race is really over the top and dumb when all I said Urban/City/Commuter. Urban/City/Commuter basically means the G5 schools touted have no following whatsoever in terms of fans from the market they are named after and wouldn't fit culturally at all in the Big XII.

 

[DelawarEER]

seriously, what is an urban/city/commuter school--you mean like Ohio State, Pittsburgh, USC, UCLA, Washington, Miami, etc.?

Ohio State has fans and they're the STATE school in Ohio.
Pitt has no fans, and they're what the 5th or 6th draw in Pittsburgh at best.
USC has fans (if they're winning)
UCLA has less fans than USC (even if they're winning)
Washington has fans-they're also the STATE school in Washington.
Miami won't sellout unless it's vs FSU or ND. The orange bowl looks emptier than Heinz Field for the other games.

Get what I mean by Urban/City/Commuter? It basically means nobody there really gives 2 shits about them. See cincinnati, Houston, Directional FL 1 & 2, etc, etc as examples.

Btw try some decaf. Throwing up race is really over the top and dumb when all I said Urban/City/Commuter. Urban/City/Commuter basically means the G5 schools touted have no following whatsoever in terms of fans from the market they are named after and wouldn't fit culturally at all in the Big XII.

Great point, not to mention another n school that we used to play in Old BE in Temple (Urban & commuter school if you can imagine that).

 

[torontoeers]

I talk about many things WVU-including successful soccer, football and basketball seasons. When I discuss expansion its because the conference is considering it, or because its something necessary to keep the conference on par with the other P5s which it is slowly but surely falling behind.

If you have some problem with whatever an urban/city/commuter school is (sounds like a racial issue you have to me)--none of which the BIG 12 considered (they only considered major state universities or major private institutions with high academic standing and successful athletics programs) then that is on you and has nothing to do with me or anything I've discussed.

seriously, what is an urban/city/commuter school--you mean like Ohio State, Pittsburgh, USC, UCLA, Washington, Miami, etc.?

I agree with you as well and thanks for bringing it to our attention...why this racial accusation though? I think you're being a bit silly Buck...

 

[Chazz Michael Michaels]

Great post.
So where are all the pissbabies and dana-haters now? You know, the douches on here that kept saying the 10-3 record didn't really count because "we didn't play anybody" and that dana is a terrible coach.
That's what I thought, they've got nothing to say.

And, it is so true that the talking heads and B12 haters in the media (yes Galloway, Sehorn, etc) assisted in keeping us ranked behind teams with falsely "better resumes".

Saw this on another WVU site but bears repeating, especially considering the usual swarm of lies and hate directed at Holgorsen and the WVU program.

WVU just finished a schedule at 10 wins that was rated as the 15th toughest schedule in the nation.

How does this compare to previous good seasons at WVU in terms of SOS?

2011 - 57th

2007 - 40th

2006 - 37th

2005 - 63rd

So anyone that can think can see that in fact WVU achieved very good results and faced quite a difficult schedule--with nearly half the opponents--6 of 13 --achieving 9 wins or better.

Here are the other teams this year that played a similarly tough schedule:

Alabama, FSU, Clemson, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Oklahoma

That is it

 

[Buckaineer]

Cincinnati--second largest STATE university in the state of Ohio--not commuter, not a "city school" and no more "urban" than Ohio State, UCLA, USC, etc.

Same with the other schools the BIG 12 considered. BYU is a major PRIVATE school that was considered and has better attendance than WVU and most of the BIG 12. Other schools considered have better attendance than schools like Kansas, TCU and Baylor.

Made up b.s. about these schools is just that. Some have lower attendance because they are playing teams that warrant lower attendance, not because they don't have the fanbase or the desire to compete at the highest levels. What would WVUs attendance be if all you ever saw in Morgantown was Temple, ECU, SMU, Tulsa, etc? Not so great I"m guessing.

Not adding them means only that the BIG 12 has fewer revenue producing possibilities, a smaller footprint, fewer viewers than other conferences, less media and fans caring about the conference and being positive about its successes. It means the conference remains at a disadvantage in making the playoff compared to the other P5s. Nothing good came from not adding some of these schools and there was never anyone else available to add. Its going to lead to WVU seeking a new home more than likely in less than a decade from now and trying to remain relevant instead of having a chance to excel in a top conference.

But with the irrational direction things seem to be going these days its not surprising made up stories and "fake news" about schools that would have benefitted not just the BIG 12, but WVU as well rule the day--all the way to the bitter end.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

WVU's SOS was pretty high... ...I assume you're referring to Sagarins.

I suppose we can also take pride because of the beat down they gave our team Miami finished ranked 12th in his rankings.

Now I feel wonderful. Thx.

Your life would be so much different if we won 11 games.

 

[Buckaineer]

Your life would be so much different if we won 11 games.

don't know what that is supposed to mean, and don't care, but your life WOULDN'T

 

[Orlaco]

don't know what that is supposed to mean, and don't care, but your life WOULDN'T

I get his point.

I just think if he's indifferent about winning or losing a bowl game then maybe he shouldn't spend time reading opinions on a forum where most posters do care.

----This is where he posts something about caring and then uses BUT.......

 

[pbody]

I talk about many things WVU-including successful soccer, football and basketball seasons. When I discuss expansion its because the conference is considering it, or because its something necessary to keep the conference on par with the other P5s which it is slowly but surely falling behind.

If you have some problem with whatever an urban/city/commuter school is (sounds like a racial issue you have to me)--none of which the BIG 12 considered (they only considered major state universities or major private institutions with high academic standing and successful athletics programs) then that is on you and has nothing to do with me or anything I've discussed.

seriously, what is an urban/city/commuter school--you mean like Ohio State, Pittsburgh, USC, UCLA, Washington, Miami, etc.?

Personally I only think of those schools when we discuss the old BE BB conference. Seton Hall, Providence, GT, VILLANOVA , UConn and so forth. The BE football league was very good before the raid and really average after the raid . Although several of the replacement programs like Louisville, USF, Cincy and Uconn got much better fairly quickly as evidenced by their ranking in the top 10 several times and even having a decent bowl record.
I think the bad feelings about the city based commuter schools stems from the control they held over the football league. I certainly don't place any racial connotations to that. Especially since I believe the overall student body is primarily white as far as I know.
Had the original football schools branched out into their own all sports league the situation in eastern football today might be vastly different. Going back further to when PSU could have been part of the all sports league and I can promise you that eastern football would be radically different. But that was not to be even in the last version of the BE. Now those schools are scattered, likely never to be reassembled in my lifetime. So I will continue to try and build rivalries in my mind with the TTs and TCUs and Iowa State's while relishing games against Oklahoma,OSU, Texas and Baylor's of the old Big 8 and SWC conferences. It could be a far worse situation we might find ourselves in had we not been invited into the B12. Culturally and geographically it's not great, although football culture is very similar. And we seem to have found ways to overcome most of the geographical issues that primarily impact basketball road games back to back. All in all, I'm not unhappy with where we are.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

First, I've never criticized BYU. They actually have a fanbase and a following. They go Indy and play anyone, anywhere, anytime. That takes guts. Plus that Young guy the school is named after had multiple wives, so applause there, but no reason to expand to 11 schools when 10 makes round robin play convenient

As for those Bearcats:
Population of Cincy metro area about 2,000,000 plus
Enrollment at Cincinnati about 43,000
Capacity at Nippert Stadium 40,000 tops
Average attendance for a football game not even 35,000-less than 2% of the Cincy Metro (less than a 20 mile radius) population.
Been there twice (2005, 2007) and watched a game at the Bungals Stadium (2011) and all the games had one thing in common no more than 40,000. The game at Cinergy Field didn't even need the upper deck. WVU had about as many fans as they did. Not as many but close. This was a neutral site game.

Like I said Urban/City/Commuter school where they're the 4th most popular option in the city that bares the school's name (behind the Reds, Bungals, Ohio State, and probably even Kentucky for basketball).

No where are they the same as tOSU, USC, UCLA, etc comparison you for whatever reason brought up.

Same with with Directional FLs, Houston, Memphis, etc,etc.

Btw to suggest that WVUs attendance would be crap with games vs ECU, Tulsa, Temple ignores 30+ seasons where WVU played combinations of Temple, Rutgers, East Carolina, the Don Nehlen MAC 'powerhouse' patsy to open the season and/or even those Bearcats from Cincy.

The average at New Mountaineer Field since 1980 is over 53k. I have sat through plenty of games vs those likes also including Tulsa, Idaho, and even Marshall as well as the 1aa tomato cans where the outcome wasn't ever a question. Tailgating and going to WVU made it a tradition for me and my family/crew.

I normally don't argue on these tired topics. Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still. This has been fun. Even though football season is over I'm done on this. Have a good day.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I get his point.

I just think if he's indifferent about winning or losing a bowl game then maybe he shouldn't spend time reading opinions on a forum where most posters do care.

----This is where he posts something about caring and then uses BUT.......

I'm not indifferent. I care if we win or lose.

I can care, and at the same time know the outcome won't make my life worse or better.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You hear that folks?

Buck says that if we don't want Cincinnati in the B12 we are racists.

LOL!

 

[torontoeers]

You hear that folks?

Buck says that if we don't want Cincinnati in the B12 we are racists.

LOL!

Definitely the most bizzaro 'reasoning ' I have seen on here in some time...

 

[HugoStiglitz]

Great post.
So where are all the pissbabies and dana-haters now? You know, the douches on here that kept saying the 10-3 record didn't really count because "we didn't play anybody" and that dana is a terrible coach.
That's what I thought, they've got nothing to say.

And, it is so true that the talking heads and B12 haters in the media (yes Galloway, Sehorn, etc) assisted in keeping us ranked behind teams with falsely "better resumes".

Yeah Miami,Oklahoma, and okie lite were good teams.

 

[Buckaineer]

BYU, Kansas State and Youngstown State were all good football teams as well

Baylor was decent themselves--Baylor finished beating a sound 10 win Boise badly even after suffering through numerous QB injuries again in BIG 12 play and having an interim coach leading them.