Wren Baker - Sell-out for money

[wvusig]

I thought Wren was different. Nope. It's all about the money. Wren's character has been damaged. He said he would hire a man of "integrity". Well, that just went out the window. RR is not a man of integrity. What a sell out. Fire Wren!

You're not lacking emotional intelligence are you?

 

[spartansstink]

You still didn’t answer. What success did he have without Tom Brady? If you are using the “well he coached in the NFL” as your logic, so did Bill O’Brien and Herm Edward’s. How’s that working out?

Before I can answer, it would depend upon the definition of "success" you want to use. Super Bowls? Championships? Winning seasons? Hall of Fame career? Longevity? Overall record?

You establish the metrics and we will apply it to both of them and see which one measures up the best.

For the second part, I'd say O'Brien is working out well for BC. He's still employed there. BC's standards of success may or may not be what WVU expects so as long as he is employed he's ok. For Edwards at ASU, not so much as he was fired.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Before I can answer, it would depend upon the definition of "success" you want to use. Super Bowls? Championships? Winning seasons? Hall of Fame career? Longevity? Overall record?

You establish the metrics and we will apply it to both of them and see which one measures up the best.

For the second part, I'd say O'Brien is working out well for BC. He's still employed there. BC's standards of success may or may not be what WVU expects so as long as he is employed he's ok. For Edwards at ASU, not so much as he was fired.

Bill Belichick with and without Brady:

WITH: 249 wins 75 Losses

WITHOUT: 84 Wins 109 Losses

My point is that you guys are quick to point out "Rich Rod never won without Pat White", yet you claim that Belichick is a "Hall of Fame" coach (which he is), but would he have been that HOF coach without Brady? (ANS: Absolutely NOT). To claim that UNC got the better coach simply because Belichick benefited from the greatest QB in NFL history is just not right.

 

[TRU2WVU]

I thought Wren was different. Nope. It's all about the money. Wren's character has been damaged. He said he would hire a man of "integrity". Well, that just went out the window. RR is not a man of integrity. What a sell out. Fire Wren!

At the end of the day Wren has bills to pay. It also takes an insane amount of $$$ to compete in todays f'd up world of collegiate athletics. You want warm & fuzzy? Go follow Neal. RR is our best shot in being competitive again.

 

[oceantide83]

I wonder if Wren was aware that the overwhelming majority of coaches that leave a program and come back to coach it again are less successful the second time around.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I wonder if Wren was aware that the overwhelming majority of coaches that leave a program and come back to coach it again are less successful the second time around.

So, is this what we can expect from you the next 5+ years?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I wonder if Wren was aware that the overwhelming majority of coaches that leave a program and come back to coach it again are less successful the second time around.

I wonder if you know that not ALL are failures.

 

[oceantide83]

So, is this what we can expect from you the next 5+ years?

Dropping truth bombs from Toni Caridi? I suppose, if I'm still around.

 

[oceantide83]

I wonder if you know that not ALL are failures.

Of course they all aren't but the odds are in favor of him not being as successful the second time around. A reasonable person would temper their expectations. I know many are excited about the redemption story and want to believe the Product is going to bring the program to new heights, but it is all talk and hype at this point. He didn't even have any P4 head coaching offers after being let go from Arizona. Do you think every other P4 program is missing something that only WVU knows about?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Of course they all aren't but the odds are in favor of him not being as successful the second time around. A reasonable person would temper their expectations. I know many are excited about the redemption story and want to believe the Product is going to bring the program to new heights, but it is all talk and hype at this point. He didn't even have any P4 head coaching offers after being let go from Arizona. Do you think every other P4 program is missing something that only WVU knows about?

After winning CUSA by destroying his opponent in the title game, he would’ve eventually in the near or immediate future gotten a P4 HC position. It was inevitable. Would it happen this year? Maybe so. Maybe UNC, Purdue would’ve been interested. Maybe if he won again at Jacksonville next year, he would’ve landed the position. Believe whatever you want. The constant whining isn’t gonna change it. If he fails, he will be gone in a few years.