Will the BIG 12 expand again?

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Show me a post where I said the team would be better last season? You like to make things up as you go. When you say the majority of the talent on the team has left what talent are you referring too? You're not very good with numbers are you? You said Brown is only good for 5 wins a season well he won six the last two seasons. For a guy who complains that people did nothing but Libel Holgorsen for 8 years your showing that you're exactly the same. You have complained about Brown even before he coached his 1st game hypocrite.
Easy to claim you didn't write something you did when there is no way to go back that far on this site.

I said Brown WON 5 games two seasons in a row and that he did. He got a 6th win IN A BOWL that only happened because Brown didn't have to face FSU or OU and the NCAA allowed five win teams a bowl game (and he got to face a G5 team).

Brown finally got 6 wins last year, but lost badly in the bowl against a very mediocre Minnesota--which you conveniently leave out.

And of those wins, he beat 3 fcs teams, a G5 team, Kansas 3 times. He beat one P5 team with a winning record in 2021 (7-6 ISU). He beat one P5 team with a winning record in 2020 (6-4 TCU). Beat one P5 team with a winning record in 2019 (8-5 KSU). That's it. That's what you are championing.

Brown was a poor hire and terrible extension. Holgorsen PERFORMED and brought real results, all of which you crap on because you don't want to admit the successes--was the second winningest coach in WVU history against the #1 schedule, a switch to a major conference and a major roster rebuild. He won 10 games TWICE, coached WVU to and won a major bowl in historical fashion and had WVU performing at well over its historical avg wins per year. He brought WVU a top 10 offense in the nation. Had WVU mere pts. from a matchup in the BIG 12 CCG--yet morons like you are acting like he destroyed WVU football and Brown is some answer? Huh? Brown has been a disaster for WVU football and he may be the END of WVU football as a major program if this b.s. continues. Yet here you are trying to ignore Brown's FAILINGS and put down the second winningest coach in the history of WVU football.

Fan? Obviously that you are NOT.
 

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Back to the EXPANSION discussion and away from the derailing as usual from the trolls. Reading the article and from past media and other reports, it looks like the most likely candidates seem to be Boise, Memphis and maybe USF once the defectors are gone.

There may not be divisions, but if there are and you add either Boise and USF or Boise and Memphis, here's how the divisions can look:

WEST
Boise
BYU
KSU
Kansas
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech

EAST
WVU
Cincinnati
ISU
Memphis/USF
UCF
Baylor
Houston

If there are aren't divisions then its going to be interesting to see how the scheduling is done. Divisionless would allow every school to play one another much more frequently.
 

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Back to the EXPANSION discussion and away from the derailing as usual from the trolls. Reading the article and from past media and other reports, it looks like the most likely candidates seem to be Boise, Memphis and maybe USF once the defectors are gone.

There may not be divisions, but if there are and you add either Boise and USF or Boise and Memphis, here's how the divisions can look:

WEST
Boise
BYU
KSU
Kansas
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech

EAST
WVU
Cincinnati
ISU
Memphis/USF
UCF
Baylor
Houston

If there are aren't divisions then its going to be interesting to see how the scheduling is done. Divisionless would allow every school to play one another much more frequently.
The only thing that is expanding is the amount of lies that you tell
 

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Easy to claim you didn't write something you did when there is no way to go back that far on this site.

I said Brown WON 5 games two seasons in a row and that he did. He got a 6th win IN A BOWL that only happened because Brown didn't have to face FSU or OU and the NCAA allowed five win teams a bowl game (and he got to face a G5 team).

Brown finally got 6 wins last year, but lost badly in the bowl against a very mediocre Minnesota--which you conveniently leave out.

And of those wins, he beat 3 fcs teams, a G5 team, Kansas 3 times. He beat one P5 team with a winning record in 2021 (7-6 ISU). He beat one P5 team with a winning record in 2020 (6-4 TCU). Beat one P5 team with a winning record in 2019 (8-5 KSU). That's it. That's what you are championing.

Brown was a poor hire and terrible extension. Holgorsen PERFORMED and brought real results, all of which you crap on because you don't want to admit the successes--was the second winningest coach in WVU history against the #1 schedule, a switch to a major conference and a major roster rebuild. He won 10 games TWICE, coached WVU to and won a major bowl in historical fashion and had WVU performing at well over its historical avg wins per year. He brought WVU a top 10 offense in the nation. Had WVU mere pts. from a matchup in the BIG 12 CCG--yet morons like you are acting like he destroyed WVU football and Brown is some answer? Huh? Brown has been a disaster for WVU football and he may be the END of WVU football as a major program if this b.s. continues. Yet here you are trying to ignore Brown's FAILINGS and put down the second winningest coach in the history of WVU football.

Fan? Obviously that you are NOT.
Well if you're going to make claims about what I said then prove where I said it. The fact is a bowl game is an extension of the season and counts in the W/L record. The Minnesota team we played last year finished 2nd in their division and ended up with 9 wins. That Minnesota team we lost to was better than the majority of the teams wvu has had since RR left. You claim Brown got lucky buy not having to play FSU. You do realize that FSU team only won 3 games that year and hasn't done anything to note lately. Its funny that you would mention Kansas at least Brown could beat them in year 3 something Holgorsen couldn't do. Wvu should have fired Holgorsen after 2015. Only winning 7 games in year 5 is mediocre at best.
 

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Lol...an argument over two losers. Neither one worth a shxx.
I am not really sold on Brown but he deserves a chance to recruit his own team. It's not easy to dig out of the 8 years of mediocrity and poor recruiting that Bucky's hero gave us. Not sure why he hates Brown so much. We are still going to lower tier bowl games. Its not like anything changed. The best thing wvu has going for it is the big 12 will look the the American conference a decade from now. We have a chance to be the king of the minimum wage earners just like we were in the waning days of the Big East.
 
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Let's clear up some more LIES the trolls are trying to keep up.

Bowls. Dana Holgorsen won as many or more bowls at WVU than EVERY coach save Don Nehlen who has 1 or 2 more bowl wins than Holgorsen.

Holgorsen has more bowl wins at WVU than Brown.

Holgorsen also won more games at WVU than any coach except for Don Nehlen, but against the toughest schedules ever faced by a coach at WVU--meaning more highly ranked teams and more top ten, top five teams.

Holgorsen had ONE losing season, (Brown matched that year one) which led to him having the average number of wins per season that historically WVU has. Brown is far below that average. Holgorsen's last several years he average 8 wins per year which is far above WVUs historical average.

Holgorsen had players he brought in in EVERY year of his coaching. He didn't ever win with "someone else's players" anymore than any coach in his first season. Year one was a MIX of Holgorsen recruits and the previous coaches recruits, yet he won with the players that remained at a better clip than the other coach ever could, won the conference and CRUSHED Clemson in a history breaking fashion. Holgorsen did this, Stewart didn't and Brown can't sniff either of their jocks.

Holgorsen not only built WVU into averaging far better than its historical average, he had WVU whipping Clemson year one --a team HE coached all year, and in his final season, had WVU 4 pts from playing for a BIG 12 championship. Brown has WVU competing for last place with Kansas each year.

If Brown continues on at WVU for two more seasons, then one would expect a major turnaround in on field success this season. Otherwise WVU will be a G5 level program with multiple losing records long into the future. If more realignment occurs and Brown is still killing WVU football, one can expect WVU to be left at the altar while even some of the new additions move on.
Dana 2-5 in Bowls
Stewart 2-2
Rod Fraud 2-3
Brown 1-1


Dana - Tavon Austin, Stedman Baily, Geno Smith....bucky you idiot.

Dana's own recruits 4-8 (2013)
Dana Transfers = multiple players from other P5 schools. Anther teams recruits.

Once again Bucky lies.
 

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I am not really sold on Brown but he deserves a chance to recruit his own team. It's not easy to dig out of the 8 years of mediocrity and poor recruiting that Bucky's hero gave us. Not sure why he hates Brown so much. We are still going to lower tier bowl games. Its not like anything changed. The best thing wvu has going for it is the big 12 will look the the American conference a decade from now. We have a chance to be the king of the minimum wage earners just like we were in the waning days of the Big East.
Brown has had 3-4 years to recruit now and he has done no better than anyone else at recruiting, and much worse retaining players Terrible overall job and its obvious that NIL or transfer portal or not, there are serious issues in Brown's domain.

There is no telling what the circumstance will be for the BIG 12 financially as rights are skyrocketing right now. The conference is picking up several quality schools and is likely to add more. They are expanding inventory and territory and creating new compelling content with the new schools. Brown has shown that he can barely beat Kansas and some FCS squads in years he is supposed to get 8 or 9 wins, so no idea where you dreamed up the fantasy that he is going to be dominating the BIG 12 teams that have been kicking his @$$ or the incoming teams for that matter.

As a WVU fan I expect WVU to be a winner, under Brown the team has been horrible. There is no "hate" involved. That's something trolls like you had for DH even when he was producing superior results. I want WVU to hire another winning coach to replace the one in (DH) who left, not stick indefinitely with a proven loser.

The real question is why are you putting down a proven winner who produced real results for WVU and championing a loser that is sending WVU into the dregs? What's in it for you?
 
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I said Holgorsen WON as many bowl games as any coach at WVU except Nehlen and that is a FACT. So if you attack him, you are attacking every coach ever at WVU. (Believe Nehlen won 3 bowls).

That DH coached WVU into more bowls than everyone but Nehlen does not alter that fact except in the minds of LYING TROLLS.

BTW your boy Brown is 1-1 with the only bowl win an "eker" against a G5 squad.
 

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WVU will probably have one more shot at moving onto a conference in the future part of the "power" structure. What happens with the program in the next season is very critical to the future of this program. There will be more competition for any spots as the BIG 12 brings in more schools.
 

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I am not really sold on Brown but he deserves a chance to recruit his own team. It's not easy to dig out of the 8 years of mediocrity and poor recruiting that Bucky's hero gave us. Not sure why he hates Brown so much. We are still going to lower tier bowl games. Its not like anything changed. The best thing wvu has going for it is the big 12 will look the the American conference a decade from now. We have a chance to be the king of the minimum wage earners just like we were in the waning days of the Big East.
Brown has continued the decline.
 

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WVU will probably have one more shot at moving onto a conference in the future part of the "power" structure. What happens with the program in the next season is very critical to the future of this program. There will be more competition for any spots as the BIG 12 brings in more schools.
When the big split happens and the Blue Bloods turn into the NFL lite, that is when the big shuffle will happen. Regional conferences and hopefully a committee or even a commissioner run the setup. There may not be a Big 12, ACC, etc.
 

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When the big split happens and the Blue Bloods turn into the NFL lite, that is when the big shuffle will happen. Regional conferences and hopefully a committee or even a commissioner run the setup. There may not be a Big 12, ACC, etc.
The SEC isnt kicking out Kentucky, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State. They arent going to kick out Texas which hasnt joined or the only occassionally successful squads like Florida Or Tennessee or Auburn. So there isnt going to be an “ NFL lite”. Alabama and Ohio State arent going to become also rans by bulking up their schedules to the point they lose more than win either. They need the Minnesotas and Iowas and Purdues, Northwestern s and Indianas and Illinois and Rutgers and UMds so they can win alot of games and beat their chests.

But there is definitely a chance that the Big Ten decides to grow again and the acc adds if it can get ND in or the PAC realizes they arent very competitve and make less than just about everyone and to do better they need to bring in more schools. So WVU is in a very bad spot. Percieved small tv market and population base along with poor academic rep compared to peers and top it off with consistently bad football under Brown and Huggins trying to Bobby Knight everyone and WVU is flailing at the worst possible time.
 

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Have to wonder whats best to go with. Brand or Market. Is geography important.

Gundy thinks Boise is a brand, and some media execs may agree, but their market( while a very nice city) isn’t a major one. Geography a problem for all but BYU. Good fan support but not a huge fanbase.

Memphis a bit better market just outside top 50. And basketball definitely a brand, but their football is fairly new to having lots of success. Geographically they fit well with the next group of teams. Good fanbase and large stadium.

Who else out there is a brand assuming the PAC stays together?

Uconn for mens and womens bb, but their football is all but dead at the moment. However there may not be a better market than the northeast. Football had some good years in the Big East once upon a time. Unlikely but possible.

So then what are the markets? And no no one thinks these teams dominate a market, but that may not matter as much as gaining a presence when it comes to $$.

# 4 Philadelphia. Temple- recently some good football before Baylor took their coach. Basketball always decent . Northeast corridor and closer to WVU but lots of “ but it’s Temple” stigma. Smallish fanbase.

Tampa a top 20 media market. USF at times played good football but no on campus stadium and fan base questionable and do you want Two FL teams?

Colorado State is in the Denver market and a nice school but sports never really stood out. Geography works in west.

SMU? Two teams in DFW or another TX team needed? Did used to be in a power conference though.

Whomever brings the most media revenue- hard to say.
Boise is the 8th fastest growing city in the country, the treasure valley is full of transplants, BSU is like WVU in being The Team in the state, and they've shown they can compete with the big boys. Natural rivals for BYU doesn't hurt either. If we don't get them; they end up in the PAC if they expand.

Also stadium and arena are ready size wise, and Albertsons and Simplot money would rival any other college town's corporate support network.

Plus a real airport is located 5-10 minutes from campus.
 
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Back to the EXPANSION discussion and away from the derailing as usual from the trolls. Reading the article and from past media and other reports, it looks like the most likely candidates seem to be Boise, Memphis and maybe USF once the defectors are gone.

There may not be divisions, but if there are and you add either Boise and USF or Boise and Memphis, here's how the divisions can look:

WEST
Boise
BYU
KSU
Kansas
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech

EAST
WVU
Cincinnati
ISU
Memphis/USF
UCF
Baylor
Houston

If there are aren't divisions then its going to be interesting to see how the scheduling is done. Divisionless would allow every school to play one another much more frequently.
For almost 20 years anytime expansion comes up, Boise State is mentioned. Boise St is massively toxic and so “2000 and late”. Even after the AAC raid, they still are behind several AAC schools, San Jose and San Diego St, Air Force, Marshall, etc…

They’re only hopes is a Pac12 without University of Southern California calling the shots which would essentially lead to several teams jumping to Big 12 and BIG. USC is the next Jenga piece. this is the reason why the Pac 12 commissioner got on his knees and begged for a “alliance“ in scheduling as they start negotiating their GOR. If the Trojans bail, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, Utah, etc… bail out. Stanford really doesn’t care.

This is the scenario that gets Boise in a power five conference, but at that point, the Pac12 light will exist.

Everything is going to blow up in 10 years anyway as the 2030s GOR contracts will be up, However I predict in the next 4 to 5 years those contracts will be reviewed and restructured to support academic institution, and semi pro institutions.
The way the college landscape is changing drastically day by day, the glorious ineptitude of the NCAA, the current contracts in place will have to be restructured to support which institutions are willing to financially compensate players.
 
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Boise, hilarious. If this happens they need to force them to get rid of that God awful blue field. It's small time.
 
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Met Coach Brown Saturday good dude and he is a good coach. He has a more than solid staff so I am optimistic about WVU
 

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So because you touched the throne Clown is now a savior? Kind of fan boy of you isn't it? Too funny.
HAHAHHAHA ok nice try. Not even a WVU fan so again you are clueless. If you knew anything about me you might know why I was talking to him. But just like your like your parents did not have the class or the knowledge to teach you how to act you know nothing about me. I have met several head coaches this year Day, Franklin Sweeney, Norvell,Mac Brown, Clawson, Doeren, Scott, Houston, Elko ect ect and some are just cooler than others is all
 
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HAHAHHAHA ok nice try. Not even a WVU fan so again you are clueless. If you knew anything about me you might know why I was talking to him. But just like your like your parents did not have the class or the knowledge to teach you how to act you know nothing about me. I have met several head coaches this year Day, Franklin Sweeney, Norvell,Mac Brown, Clawson, Doeren, Scott, Houston, Elko ect ect and some are just cooler than others is all
Wow little Sammy...didn't know you were soooooooo important. That's a lot of jock sniffing!
 

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Wow little Sammy...didn't know you were soooooooo important. That's a lot of jock sniffing!
Again you know nothing about me and I why would you? You just like to insult and make stupid comments. But you need to do three things
1. Do some research on who the hell you are talking to
2. Learn some football
3. Go get your shine box boy.
 

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Boise is the 8th fastest growing city in the country, the treasure valley is full of transplants, BSU is like WVU in being The Team in the state, and they've shown they can compete with the big boys. Natural rivals for BYU doesn't hurt either. If we don't get them; they end up in the PAC if they expand.

Also stadium and arena are ready size wise, and Albertsons and Simplot money would rival any other college town's corporate support network.

Plus a real airport is located 5-10 minutes from campus.
I think you look at Boises tv ratings first- might not stand out. What each BIG 12 team has to look to replace is that Oklahoma game where you get maybe 3-4 million viewers and to a mich leaser extent the Texas tv crowd.

Boise has something of a name, but its from before the previous iteration of the BiG 12 . They havent done much in the last decade. Maybe the name is enough to turn on some Tvs? Not sure.
 

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Again you know nothing about me and I why would you? You just like to insult and make stupid comments. But you need to do three things
1. Do some research on who the hell you are talking to
2. Learn some football
3. Go get your shine box boy.
"Shine box boy"? Sounds a little racist to me. Lol
 

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The SEC isnt kicking out Kentucky, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi State. They arent going to kick out Texas which hasnt joined or the only occassionally successful squads like Florida Or Tennessee or Auburn. So there isnt going to be an “ NFL lite”. Alabama and Ohio State arent going to become also rans by bulking up their schedules to the point they lose more than win either. They need the Minnesotas and Iowas and Purdues, Northwestern s and Indianas and Illinois and Rutgers and UMds so they can win alot of games and beat their chests.

But there is definitely a chance that the Big Ten decides to grow again and the acc adds if it can get ND in or the PAC realizes they arent very competitve and make less than just about everyone and to do better they need to bring in more schools. So WVU is in a very bad spot. Percieved small tv market and population base along with poor academic rep compared to peers and top it off with consistently bad football under Brown and Huggins trying to Bobby Knight everyone and WVU is flailing at the worst possible time.
So where did I say the SEC was kicking out UK?

It doesn’t matter what WVU has done or the performance of the coaches. WVU does not have the money to keep up with the blue bloods & will never get in the penthouse.
 
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So where did I say the SEC was kicking out UK?

It doesn’t matter what WVU has done or the performance of the coaches. WVU does not have the money to keep up with the blue bloods & will never get in the penthouse.
Of course it matters. WVU crushing Clemson didn’t matter? The RR years didn’t matter for WVU? Nehlens early successes didn’t help WVU get on the map. There have been years WVU has been right at the top of college football and just fell a little short.

Win that 88 MNC or Beat Pitt w Pat White and it’s a very different story for the Mountaineers. Of course things matter.
 

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Of course it matters. WVU crushing Clemson didn’t matter? The RR years didn’t matter for WVU? Nehlens early successes didn’t help WVU get on the map. There have been years WVU has been right at the top of college football and just fell a little short.

Win that 88 MNC or Beat Pitt w Pat White and it’s a very different story for the Mountaineers. Of course things matter.
Sure. WVU beating Clemson in the Orange Bowl proved to be a springboard for WVU into the playoffs and annual national title hunt for years to come.
 
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Of course it matters. WVU crushing Clemson didn’t matter? The RR years didn’t matter for WVU? Nehlens early successes didn’t help WVU get on the map. There have been years WVU has been right at the top of college football and just fell a little short.

Win that 88 MNC or Beat Pitt w Pat White and it’s a very different story for the Mountaineers. Of course things matter.
So how would Wvu winning the National championship in 88 or 07 really change their position today? Ga Tech, Colorado, Washington won a share of the title in the early 90's and its not like their position has changed. These 3 schools are in a similar position to wvu when it comes to resources. In the world of the NIL the schools with the deep pocketed booster bases will separate from the pack. Hint those schools aren't the Wvu's of the world.
 
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Mike Gundy highest paid coach in Big 12 says yes they will expand again to 14 teams and wants Boise State as one of those teams. Says there is strength in numbers.
Gunny is a smart person. With OUT gone this may happen. I'm not a fan of Boise but if that's what it takes. I'm in.
 

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Gunny is a smart person. With OUT gone this may happen. I'm not a fan of Boise but if that's what it takes. I'm in.
Prefer Boise (marshall junior) State take their blue turf someplace else.
 

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Of course it matters. WVU crushing Clemson didn’t matter? The RR years didn’t matter for WVU? Nehlens early successes didn’t help WVU get on the map. There have been years WVU has been right at the top of college football and just fell a little short.

Win that 88 MNC or Beat Pitt w Pat White and it’s a very different story for the Mountaineers. Of course things matter.
You truly are slow.
 

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So how would Wvu winning the National championship in 88 or 07 really change their position today? Ga Tech, Colorado, Washington won a share of the title in the early 90's and its not like their position has changed. These 3 schools are in a similar position to wvu when it comes to resources. In the world of the NIL the schools with the deep pocketed booster bases will separate from the pack. Hint those schools aren't the Wvu's of the world.
What you are going to have is a tier system kind of like professional soccer where those who can pay big money will be in one tier those who can pay but not as much will make up another tier ect ect. There will be mass recruiting between higher levels on the lower ones. So I can see someday where teams like Alabama Florida Texas Ohio State USC will be on one tier and teams like Iowa St, WVU, Louisville, Washington st ect being on the next level then teams like ECU, Marshall, App State, Temple, being on the lowest tier. So the top tier may only consist of 30 teams. I can also see some FBS schools dropping back down to FCS. The MAC for example Mid TN St , FIU New Mexico St ect because they will not be able to compete financially. Creating a top tier now
 
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WVU will probably have one more shot at moving onto a conference in the future part of the "power" structure. What happens with the program in the next season is very critical to the future of this program. There will be more competition for any spots as the BIG 12 brings in more schools.
Drama Queen.
 

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