Why risk injury in Senior Bowl if you're looking at NFL career?

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

Someone made an excellent point: If you skip your school’s bowl to avoid injury and prepare for the NFL, then why risk injury in the Senior Bowl?

From 2017 to 2018 the Los Angeles Rams drafted nine players who played in the Senior Bowl, including top Rams draft choices tight end Gerald Everett and offensive lineman Joe Notebook.

The Senior Bowl is college football’s premier showcase because it matches superior talent against each other.

Regular bowl games might pit a star or two from one school against a star or two from another school. But the Senior Bowl is loaded with stars.

And it also lets the NFL evaluators see how small-school stars stack up against big-school stars, one on one. That can't happen in bowl games.

The senior bowl is an audition for the NFL for all the players, not just a few stars.

WVU’s Will Grier will play this year. So will Auburn QB Jarrett Stidham, North Carolina State’s Ryan Finley, Penn State’s Trace McSorley, Washington State’s Garnder Minshew and Northwestern’s Clayton Thorson.

Not exactly a chopped liver lineup.

Baker Mayfield, who changed the Browns from a mayday situation to a Mayfield resurrection, played in the Senior Bowl.

 

[eerdoc]

Someone made an excellent point: If you skip your school’s bowl to avoid injury and prepare for the NFL, then why risk injury in the Senior Bowl?

From 2017 to 2018 the Los Angeles Rams drafted nine players who played in the Senior Bowl, including top Rams draft choices tight end Gerald Everett and offensive lineman Joe Notebook.

The Senior Bowl is college football’s premier showcase because it matches superior talent against each other.

Regular bowl games might pit a star or two from one school against a star or two from another school. But the Senior Bowl is loaded with stars.

And it also lets the NFL evaluators see how small-school stars stack up against big-school stars, one on one. That can't happen in bowl games.

The senior bowl is an audition for the NFL for all the players, not just a few stars.

WVU’s Will Grier will play this year. So will Auburn QB Jarrett Stidham, North Carolina State’s Ryan Finley, Penn State’s Trace McSorley, Washington State’s Garnder Minshew and Northwestern’s Clayton Thorson.

Not exactly a chopped liver lineup.

Baker Mayfield, who changed the Browns from a mayday situation to a Mayfield resurrection, played in the Senior Bowl.

Just an application of logic to the Bowl situation. IF the decision is one of financial security possibly threatened by playing in the bowl (which many consider quite an insignificant game to play) then justify the playing in the Senior Bowlwhere injury is every bit as possible (maybe even greater considering that the teams are made up of the better players over all of College Football--more speed, more size, more danger! The arguments being put forward fall totally flat when logic is introduced.

 

[TownesVanZandt]

Because the Senior Bowl is a glorified exhibition.

I don't think they allow defenses to blitz multiple people like the Pro Bowl.

Much different than two teams playing for something

 

[WVUALLEN]

I. OFFENSE
Personnel
Offensive personnel packages will be limited to three (3):

• (2) Running Backs, (1) Tight End, (2) Wide Receivers
• (1) Running Back, (2) Tight Ends, (2) Wide Receivers
• (1) Running Back, (1) Tight End, (3) Wide Receivers
  
  Other sub-packages, i.e., short yardage or goal line, are not permitted.
  1. • a. Must break the huddle and align in final formation. Motion or shifts by eligible receivers is not permitted.
     • b. Open formations must be balanced. Three eligible receivers aligned on the same side (Trips) is not permitted.
     • c. Running backs are permitted to break the formation and align in a flex position provided the formation remains balanced.
     • d. There will be no intentional grounding called. It is permissible for the passer to throw the ball away in an effort to save loss of yardage.

Blocking
All blocks below the waist are prohibited.

II. DEFENSE
Pass rush games are prohibited at all times. Only four rushers allowed, no 5-man pressures or blitzes from secondary permitted.

Coaches and Senior Bowl observers will be responsible for the defensive requirements.

Personnel

• 4-3 personnel
• 3-4 personnel
  • a. Substitution packages, i.e., dime, short-yardage or goal line packages, are not permitted at any time. However, teams are permitted to play three cornerbacks in a four-man secondary.
    
  • b. A nickel package may be used when the offense has three wide receivers on the field. In this case, the defense may use a four-man front with five defensive backs.
  
  
  Fronts
  • a. In Base, only an Under front will be permitted in both 4-3/3-4 schemes.
    • 1. 4-3 UNDER, traditional lineup with strong-side linebacker over TE and remaining two linebackers in "box" and off-the-line of scrimmage.
    • 2. 3-4 UNDER, strong-side linebacker (Sam) aligns over TE, with two “box" linebackers off-the-line and weak-side linebacker reduced as the 4th rusher (not allowed to drop into pass coverage).
  • b. Linebackers and defensive ends are not permitted to switch positions.
  • c. In Sub, only an EVEN front with four-down defensive linemen and the Center
    left uncovered will be permitted.
  
  

Pass Coverage

• a. Zone
  
  • 1. Two-deep or Three-deep zone coverage only.
    
  • 2. Safety rotation to curl/flat only. In Base, Under/Cover-6 will be a zone call that allows the free safety to rotate to the weak-side of the offensive formation. In Sub, Even/Cover-3 will be a zone call that allows the strong safety to rotate to the strong-side of the offensive formation. No safeties are allowed to insert or switch coverage responsibility with the linebacker assigned to his side (no “buzz” rotation allowed).
  • 3. The deep middle safety must be aligned between the hash-marks when the ball is snapped.
  • b. Man-to-Man
    • 1. Man coverage with a free safety only. Press technique is permitted.
      
    • 2. Safety rotation will mirror movement in zone coverages. In Base, Under/Cover-1 Weak will be a man call that allows the free safety to rotate to the open-side of the formation with the strong safety in the middle-of-the-field. In Sub, Even/Cover-1 Strong will be a man call that allows the strong safety to rotate to the closed-side of the formation with the free safety in the middle-of-the-field.
    • 3. The deep middle safety must be aligned between the hash-marks when the ball is snapped.
      
    • 4. The safety that is not playing the middle one-third must have a specific man-to-man coverage assignment. He is only permitted to "free-up" if his man blocks.
  III. SPECIAL TEAMS
  • a. Kick-off/Kick-off Return
  • Kickoffs will only occur at the beginning of the first and third quarters and each team will kick off once. All other drives will start on the 25-yard line.
  • b. Punt/Punt Return
    
    • • 1. No Restrictions on the Punting team.
      • 2. Fake punt attempts are not permitted.
      • 3. Punt return:
        • i. No more than six (6) players may rush on punts and only three (3) to each side.
        • ii. Single press outside on the gunner/forcer is allowed. Double press is not allowed. The second defender who is assigned to the gunner/forcer must align at least five (5) yards off the line of scrimmage.
  • c. P.A.T./Field Goal
    • • i. No restrictions on the kicking team.
      • ii. Defensive team may rush no more than seven (7) players. The rush is limited to one (1) man on the center and three (3) on either side of the ball.
      • iii. Snaps for P.A.T.
        • • Extra points: 15-yard line
        • • 2-point conversions: 2-yard line
      • iv. Fake field goal and extra point attempts are not permitted.
      • v. Teams must attempt a two-point conversion following any touchdowns scored during the second quarter.
    IV. TIMING
    • • a. A two-minute warning will occur at the end of each quarter, and NFL 2-minute timing rules will be in effect.
      • b. Teams will get two timeouts per quarter with no carryovers.
      • c. Play clock will be 40/25
      • d. Halftime will be 15 minutes in length
    
    V. POSSESSION
    Possession to start each quarter will follow the format below:
    
    • • • 1st quarter: A (receive kickoff)
      • • 2nd quarter: B (25 yard line)
      • • 3rd quarter: B (receive kickoff)
      • • 4th quarter: A (25 yard line)
    Following a team score that is trailing by 20+ points, that team will maintain possession of the ball.
    
    
    IV. REPLAY
    There will be no instant replay reviews.
  
  https://www.seniorbowl.com/playing-rules.php

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I think its because NFL teams want you in it.

Seems like its part of the process you work through.

 

[Nova Mountaineer]

Seems if exposure is what a player wants - then play in the school's bowl game - you're in for the entire game with so many stars at
Senior Bowl - a player doesn't get to play as much. Nearly all the bowls have some scouts.

 

[countryroads89]

Because the Senior Bowl is a glorified exhibition.

I don't think they allow defenses to blitz multiple people like the Pro Bowl.

Much different than two teams playing for something

Wrong. It's full speed with blitzes and various defenses. You can google Senior Bowl highlights. it will show qbs being sacked.

 

[countryroads89]

Someone made an excellent point: If you skip your school’s bowl to avoid injury and prepare for the NFL, then why risk injury in the Senior Bowl?

From 2017 to 2018 the Los Angeles Rams drafted nine players who played in the Senior Bowl, including top Rams draft choices tight end Gerald Everett and offensive lineman Joe Notebook.

The Senior Bowl is college football’s premier showcase because it matches superior talent against each other.

Regular bowl games might pit a star or two from one school against a star or two from another school. But the Senior Bowl is loaded with stars.

And it also lets the NFL evaluators see how small-school stars stack up against big-school stars, one on one. That can't happen in bowl games.

The senior bowl is an audition for the NFL for all the players, not just a few stars.

WVU’s Will Grier will play this year. So will Auburn QB Jarrett Stidham, North Carolina State’s Ryan Finley, Penn State’s Trace McSorley, Washington State’s Garnder Minshew and Northwestern’s Clayton Thorson.

Not exactly a chopped liver lineup.

Baker Mayfield, who changed the Browns from a mayday situation to a Mayfield resurrection, played in the Senior Bowl.

Yeah, because with so many other qbs playing, a qb might get two series if they are lucky. Much better than showcasing yourself for an entire game.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Yeah, because with so many other qbs playing, a qb might get two series if they are lucky. Much better than showcasing yourself for an entire game.

If you know so much, why arent you a NFL agent?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Yeah, because with so many other qbs playing, a qb might get two series if they are lucky. Much better than showcasing yourself for an entire game.

You dont know anything...you are just a couch potato.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Someone made an excellent point: If you skip your school’s bowl to avoid injury and prepare for the NFL, then why risk injury in the Senior Bowl?

From 2017 to 2018 the Los Angeles Rams drafted nine players who played in the Senior Bowl, including top Rams draft choices tight end Gerald Everett and offensive lineman Joe Notebook.

The Senior Bowl is college football’s premier showcase because it matches superior talent against each other.

Regular bowl games might pit a star or two from one school against a star or two from another school. But the Senior Bowl is loaded with stars.

And it also lets the NFL evaluators see how small-school stars stack up against big-school stars, one on one. That can't happen in bowl games.

The senior bowl is an audition for the NFL for all the players, not just a few stars.

WVU’s Will Grier will play this year. So will Auburn QB Jarrett Stidham, North Carolina State’s Ryan Finley, Penn State’s Trace McSorley, Washington State’s Garnder Minshew and Northwestern’s Clayton Thorson.

Not exactly a chopped liver lineup.

Baker Mayfield, who changed the Browns from a mayday situation to a Mayfield resurrection, played in the Senior Bowl.

First it wasn’t an excellent point. Second that someone you are referring to is an idiot that knows nothing about football.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Because the Senior Bowl is a glorified exhibition.

I don't think they allow defenses to blitz multiple people like the Pro Bowl.

Much different than two teams playing for something

It’s the practices that matter. My kid’s best friend is Adam Bisnawaty. 4 year starter at Pitt at OT and 2 year 1st team all ACC. He played in the Senior Bowl two years ago. He said it’s all about the practices. All NFL coaches and staff that aren’t gameday coaches and staff leave and don’t see the game. They don’t get the film either. Game is literally irrelevant. Practices and interviews are all that matter Townes.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Just an application of logic to the Bowl situation. IF the decision is one of financial security possibly threatened by playing in the bowl (which many consider quite an insignificant game to play) then justify the playing in the Senior Bowlwhere injury is every bit as possible (maybe even greater considering that the teams are made up of the better players over all of College Football--more speed, more size, more danger! The arguments being put forward fall totally flat when logic is introduced.

You know absolutely nothing and typical online genius LoL. It’s a five day interview for solid prospects trying to impress NFL coaches and staff in person. I recommend you watching the practices on The NFL channel then re posting something that makes you come off better.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Seems if exposure is what a player wants - then play in the school's bowl game - you're in for the entire game with so many stars at
Senior Bowl - a player doesn't get to play as much. Nearly all the bowls have some scouts.

Not about the actual game. All about the 5 days with NFL coaches and staff.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You know absolutely nothing and typical online genius LoL. It’s a five day interview for solid prospects trying to impress NFL coaches and staff in person. I recommend you watching the practices on The NFL channel then re posting something that makes you come off better.

This is what I have imagined....a week to meet NFL staff and get face time, a business conference environment. The game itself probably not very important.

 

[eerdoc]

Because the Senior Bowl is a glorified exhibition.

I don't think they allow defenses to blitz multiple people like the Pro Bowl.

Much different than two teams playing for something

Your argument actually strengthens my assertion--IF the Senior Bowl is a "...glorified exhibition..." (as you assert), then why would anyone, concerned with potential injury, humble himself and play in such a farce when he has turned his back on his team mates and refused to participate in a TEAM function while using the fear of injury and loss of future livelihood as the reason?
Try applying logic to the argument and, if you are honest with yourself, you come to this same conclusion.

 

[Pitt4Life34]

Your argument actually strengthens my assertion--IF the Senior Bowl is a "...glorified exhibition..." (as you assert), then why would anyone, concerned with potential injury, humble himself and play in such a farce when he has turned his back on his team mates and refused to participate in a TEAM function while using the fear of injury and loss of future livelihood as the reason?
Try applying logic to the argument and, if you are honest with yourself, you come to this same conclusion.

You are now doubling down on being an idiot. For all to see haha. You trying to tie Grier’s decision not to play in Bowl yet playing in Senior as a negative proves you literally know nothing about college and pro football. Just paint your face and go back to your general admission seat. I love guys on here that act like they’re smart but really embarrass themselves for all to see.

You sir are a dumbass for not knowing Grier will be with every NFL team during Senior Bowl week.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Wrong. It's full speed with blitzes and various defenses. You can google Senior Bowl highlights. it will show qbs being sacked.

Pass rush games are prohibited at all times. Only four rushers allowed, no 5-man pressures or blitzes from secondary permitted.

Coaches and Senior Bowl observers will be responsible for the defensive requirements.

 

[countryroads89]

Here are last year's highlights. Just like I said, you'll see a couple of qb sacks.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000911411/2018-Reese-s-Senior-Bowl-highlights

 

[spartansstink]

Your argument actually strengthens my assertion--IF the Senior Bowl is a "...glorified exhibition..." (as you assert), then why would anyone, concerned with potential injury, humble himself and play in such a farce when he has turned his back on his team mates and refused to participate in a TEAM function while using the fear of injury and loss of future livelihood as the reason?
Try applying logic to the argument and, if you are honest with yourself, you come to this same conclusion.

Some of you guys and this TEAM BS....

Folks, kids come to this university, and others, for the purpose of using this TEAM to get to another TEAM - a professional one. A very select few will make it, most won't.

Your argument would hold weight if this TEAM was the end of the line. For the Dante Bonamico's and Dylan Tonkery's of the world, it is. For the WIll Grier's of the world, it isn't.

The Camping World Bowl isn't the Super Bowl. It's much closer to the Toilet Bowl.

In a couple or three years the Dylan Tonkery's will be selling insurance or some such. Will Grier and his ilk will be playing professional football for millions of dollars.

The future and potentially millions of dollars are at stake. NFL career's are short - the average is three years. Not a lot of time when looking out over the course of your life so you better get it while you can.

But some of you put on this rah rah BS as if this bowl game is the end all be all. Get over yourself and get away from the Podunk High School way of thinking.

 

[countryroads89]

Left UF - quitter.

Not playing with WVU teammates in Bowl - quitter.

Folded like a cheap tent in all of our big games.

Will Grier - born to sing the blues.

"Some will win, some will lose, some are born to sing the blues." - Journey, Don't Stop Believing

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Here are last year's highlights. Just like I said, you'll see a couple of qb sacks.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000911411/2018-Reese-s-Senior-Bowl-highlights

You arent getting it.

The senior bowl is necessary for him. It's what the NFL wants of him.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Here are last year's highlights. Just like I said, you'll see a couple of qb sacks.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/0ap3000000911411/2018-Reese-s-Senior-Bowl-highlights

and like the rules say, no blitzing allowed.