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But.....they wouldn't see Trump as a threat and do it in 2016? That's not rational. If you are going to make that conspiracy work, it would have to be ongoing in order to keep the power, not take an election cycle "off".
The drop off voting boxes were not a thing in 2016. Surprised the fact check you read didn't mention that.
 
The drop off voting boxes were not a thing in 2016. Surprised the fact check you read didn't mention that.
I found this on a quick Internet search (maybe it's false too):

Ballot drop boxes have been in use for about two decades, said Amber McReynolds, CEO of the National Vote at Home Institute and the former head of elections in Denver. The boxes are commonly used in states where generally all voting is by mail, including in Republican-led Utah.

"Counties have added additional drop boxes almost every year since 2014," said Justin Lee, Utah’s director of elections. "We haven't had any security problems, and we have no indication that drop boxes favor one party over another party."

The National Conference of State Legislatures found eight states that have permanent laws that expressly allow drop boxes and include rules such as design features, number and location.
 
What were they doing? I don't know. There are as many legit reasons as illegal reasons I guess. You didn't answer my point though: Do you think the Democrats were/are the only ones who "know" how to do this if this "mules" is 100% accurate?
Legit reasons to break the law? Seems legit.
 
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I found this on a quick Internet search (maybe it's false too):

Ballot drop boxes have been in use for about two decades, said Amber McReynolds, CEO of the National Vote at Home Institute and the former head of elections in Denver. The boxes are commonly used in states where generally all voting is by mail, including in Republican-led Utah.

"Counties have added additional drop boxes almost every year since 2014," said Justin Lee, Utah’s director of elections. "We haven't had any security problems, and we have no indication that drop boxes favor one party over another party."

The National Conference of State Legislatures found eight states that have permanent laws that expressly allow drop boxes and include rules such as design features, number and location.
Lol. Drop boxes in one state equals drop boxes everywhere. This is your laziest thread ever. You don't know wtf you are talking about and your source is a fact check and a quick Google search.

Go sit down boy.
 
It is a theory because the video cannot verify if the ballots were legal or illegal.
If the ballots were legal, they were illegally submitted. If they were not legal, there has been no verification of status via required chain of custody documenting that they were legal. Regardless, the film simply documents what in and of itself is ILLEGAL. One person cannot submit multiple ballots, at multiple drop boxes, in multiple locations, at multiple times on multiple days! That is against the LAW. That should be a huge red flag for anyone interested in election integrity to look into what exactly those mules were doing with all of those ballots if it wasn't illegal?

No one is even interested, not even YOU! So shut up already
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If the ballots were legal, they were illegally submitted. If they were not legal, there has been no verification of status via required chain of custody documenting that they were legal. Regardless, the film simply documents what in and of itself is ILLEGAL. One person cannot submit multiple ballots, at multiple drop boxes, in multiple locations, at multiple times on multiple days! That is against the LAW. That should be a huge red flag for anyone interested in election integrity to look into what exactly those mules were doing with all of those ballots if it wasn't illegal?

No one is even interested, not even YOU! So shut up already
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When have I said I was against looking in to voting integrity? I'll answer that for you: NEVER. I say have at it in 2023. Should be enough Republicans in Congress to open a select committee to investigate. Of course if you don't think it would be a witch hunt this time.
 
If you have to get someone to the hospital quickly, you break the law by going 100 mph too.
No you don't...you'd still get pulled over for breaking the speed limit law if a cop saw you...he might give you a break if it's a true emergency or more likely he'd either give you an escort or call an ambulance. You're trying too hard to justify what you know points to fraud.

As I said, you're just not serious, so discussing this with you is pointless.
 
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Lol. Drop boxes in one state equals drop boxes everywhere. This is your laziest thread ever. You don't know wtf you are talking about and your source is a fact check and a quick Google search.

Go sit down boy.
Sorry that I don't sit on my a$$ all day and try to look up conspiracies. I have a life.
 
No you don't...you'd still get pulled over for breaking the speed limit law if a cop saw you...he might give you a break if it's a true emergency or more likely he'd call an ambulance. You're trying too hard to justify what you know points to fraud.

As I said, you're just not serious, so discussing this with you is pointless.
If that's what you think, then don't discuss. You called me out for a response on something that wasn't part of the initial reason for this thread. That wasn't me.
 
When have I said I was against looking in to voting integrity? I'll answer that for you: NEVER. I say have at it in 2023. Should be enough Republicans in Congress to open a select committee to investigate. Of course if you don't think it would be a witch hunt this time.
I suspect if they win the House at least ...GOP leaders will investigate this if for no other reason to set up some ironclad procedures regarding absentee ballots (many rules were made up BTW in '2020...ie: not approved by the State Legislatures)

You refuse to watch the movie...which is fine you don't have to. However you dismissing it as a "conspiracy theory" that's been "fact checked" is as laughable as your posts in this thread defending the illegal ballot stuffing.

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No. You just try to refute actual investigations with 2 minute internet searches and get pissed off when people much smarter than you call you out for it and mock you
Trump claimed the election was rigged in 2015.....and then he won.......so why didn't he go after it then? He had four years.
 
If that's what you think, then don't discuss. You called me out for a response on something that wasn't part of the initial reason for this thread. That wasn't me.
I'm refuting your sophistry trying to shoot down a legitimate investigation that in my mind at least proves there was massive voter fraud in'20. You're the one trying to suggest it does no such thing, and you haven't even watched it!

Shuuuuut up already ...my Lord!!!!!!
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I've not watched that Mules documentary, same way I didn't watch a documentary about how 9/11 was "an inside job". If DeSantis wins in 2024, I guess the "mules" were corrected.
The mules thing has been curtailed in most of the states where the right has the legislature. Zuckerbucks has been ruled unconstitutional. So, I mean, a bunch of stuff has been done.
 
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The mules thing has been curtailed in most of the states where the right has the legislature. Zuckerbucks has been ruled unconstitutional. So, I mean, a bunch of stuff has been done.
Three states Supreme courts have ruled that it was unconstitutional to have vote drop boxes.
 
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It is a theory because the video cannot verify if the ballots were legal or illegal.
The film verifies all it has to...the ballots were being illegally trafficked and submitted. Every single one of them (ballots) should be checked for authentication because they were illegally submitted. That is not arguable.
 
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The film verifies all it has to...the ballots were being illegally trafficked and submitted. Every single one of them (ballots) should be checked for authentication because they were illegally submitted. That is not arguable.
And I won't argue that. Investigate each one of them. You'll not hear me complain or call it a "witch hunt". I'm all for investigations when it comes to the government.
 
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Trump claimed the election was rigged in 2015.....and then he won.......so why didn't he go after it then? He had four years.
Because he spent 4 years defending scurrilous charges that he conspired with Russians to steal it from Hillary! Where were you during all of that? Swallowing virtually every "bombshell" the fake news reported on the Democrat sponsored scam. :rolleyes:
 
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He did and the state’s legislatures didn’t and wouldn’t work with the White House. The Fed rightfully doesn’t have authority over the elections.
I get that states control elections. But couldn't he influence the Legislative Branch to have a special committee some time between 2016-2020 to investigate it? He had enough Republicans in Congress in 2018 to do that, didn't he?
 
I know. I get and understand that illegal aspect. But the big question still remains: the ballots.....real or fake?
From my perspective, any ballots delivered through harvesting are illegal. And if this is really the hair trying to be split, the “regardless of harvesting, they were legal”, approach, logic tells me we’re over target.
 
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And I won't argue that. Investigate each one of them. You'll not hear me complain or call it a "witch hunt". I'm all for investigations when it comes to the government.
Good for you. We'll get to the bottom of it (there are many ongoing investigations as a result of this film) and then we'll do all we can to make sure it never happens again.

You can sit on the sidelines while all of that gets fixed.
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I get that states control elections. But couldn't he influence the Legislative Branch to have a special committee some time between 2016-2020 to investigate it? He had enough Republicans in Congress in 2018 to do that, didn't he?
He did try to investigate it. The states, even Republican ones, wouldn’t work with him. I don’t even think they were returning voter rolls to the AG.

I understand why they wouldn’t either.
 
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Good for you. We'll get to the bottom of it (there are many ongoing investigations as a result of this film) and then we'll do all we can to make sure it never happens again.

You can sit on the sidelines while all of that gets fixed.
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Well, you'll be sitting over there with me because unless you are an elected official, YOU aren't fixing anything. But I get your point. [thumbsup]
 
He did and the state’s legislatures didn’t and wouldn’t work with the White House. The Fed rightfully doesn’t have authority over the elections.
Exactly! The laws passed by Legislatures that were in place to avoid this type of fraud were routinely violated at the local level (on purpose I believe). Trump tried to challenge those illegal procedures and most of those cases were simply dismissed before any evidence was heard!
 
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Well, you'll be sitting over there with me because unless you are an elected official, YOU aren't fixing anything. But I get your point. [thumbsup]
I support (strongly) voter I.D., signature verifications, limiting absentee ballots only to non domiciled legally registered voters who cannot vote in their districts in person, purging voter registration rolls of unverified voters, and all reforms designed to assure voter integrity. I will vote only for those candidates who support all of those measures. I do not see any Democrats strongly supporting most of those initiatives. Quite the opposite as a matter of fact, with most of them out there running around blaming Republicans for "voter suppression"

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In my mind, those ballots were illegal because they were illegally submitted! Case closed.
I don't disagree. However, is there a way to confirm that those ballots were for Biden? Without speculation?

EDIT: maybe I'm dumb and they already have confirmed it.......
 
He formed a commission to do it and it was fought politically in courts and several states.

You love Google. Stop being ignorant and look it up.
Link please?

EDIT: Did Trump not have support with enough Republicans in Congress to form a select committee?
 
I don't disagree. However, is there a way to confirm that those ballots were for Biden? Without speculation?

EDIT: maybe I'm dumb and they already have confirmed it.......
If 80 million legitimately registered, adequately informed, reasonably rational Americans voted for what we have now, I am convinced we are finished as a nation. What I can't understand though, is where have all of those voters disappeared to? Biden doesn't poll above 35% favorability in any poll among any voters! It took those same rational voters who cast their ballots for him in record numbers less than two years to figure out they've been had?

Don't forget all those dead folks who voted for me too atl!
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How could we creepy Joe? They obviously didn't notice how a half dead corpse could be as creepy as you are?
 
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