what's your thoughts on byu being added to the big 12?
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They are clearly the best team out there. No comparison. Having said that, the Sunday thing is easily dealt with. In the sports where that is a problem, which is very few sports, they either change their minds OR you exclude those sports from the Big 12. It's NOT a huge issue when one considers you are adding top notch facilities, fans, football, hoops, etc........
If it's not Clemson and FSU, I'm against it. That's not going to happen anytime soon, so I don't need expansion.
Agree BYU is a program which would help the conference. Also believe that
Houston would do the same - it's the 4 or 5th biggest market in the country
and has a butt kicking football program. I still hope that the powers that be
also at least talke to Mizzo and Nebraska to see if they want to come home.
Houston would do the same - it's the 4 or 5th biggest market in the country
and has a butt kicking football program. I still hope that the powers that be
also at least talke to Mizzo and Nebraska to see if they want to come home.
BYU is the best choice by far and it doesn't disturb the other conference alignments. Houston seems to be #2 in line just because Texas politicians want to force it to happen.
I think Cincy or UConn lower the Big 12 brand closer to the Big East WVU left.
Central Florida probably would be a better choice, but its football isn't much better than Kansas and Iowa State. I don't think the Big 12 needs to add someone at the bottom of the ladder.
I'll just enjoy Oklahoma and Texas in Mountaineer Field till those with a higher pay grade sort it out.
I think Cincy or UConn lower the Big 12 brand closer to the Big East WVU left.
Central Florida probably would be a better choice, but its football isn't much better than Kansas and Iowa State. I don't think the Big 12 needs to add someone at the bottom of the ladder.
I'll just enjoy Oklahoma and Texas in Mountaineer Field till those with a higher pay grade sort it out.
Then ditch the Championship game. If we have the Championship game it must be in a 12 or 14 team conference. Championship game after a round robin schedule is dumb especially if you divide the conference into divisions. And the rule that was passed for a 10 team league includes a requirement of a round robin schedule.
Don't end your sentences with a preposition.
You get a pass if you're drinking.
No chance! Why would one of those schools walk away from $50,000,000 per year?
Dude. You're kidding right? Do you actually think FSU or Clemson would ever consider the Big12? How long have you been under that rock? Let me try to be like you. If it's not Texas and Oklahoma I'm against the ACC expanding. That's not going to happen anytime soon(or ever) so I don't need expansion. I assume you never believed that FSU and Clemson ever considered solutions involving the Big12(the goofiest rumor of all previous expansion talk).
Hope you like drinking 3.2% beer. That's the max alcohol content allowed here in Utah.
Houston, Memphis, Cincy, UConn would be the 4 for me. I am sure pressure from Governor of Texas is happening. After all look at what VT did with the Virginia Governor. It got them into the ACC.
BYU wants football only Big 12 will not go for that. Another thing on BYU is that they don't travel on Sunday either. Does the Big 12 really want to schedule all their games with BYU on a Thursday or Friday. Adding BYU with basketball and football is a better option but scheduling would be a nightmare. I think these issues are a breaking point with BYU and the Big 12. If BYU does not change things then asking them to join will not happen.
Watered down or not every conference in the P5 has their weakest links.
B1G - Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland (for now)
ACC - Boston College, Wake Forest, UVA
SEC - Kentucky, Vanderbilt,
PAC 12 - Oregon State, Colorado
BYU wants football only Big 12 will not go for that. Another thing on BYU is that they don't travel on Sunday either. Does the Big 12 really want to schedule all their games with BYU on a Thursday or Friday. Adding BYU with basketball and football is a better option but scheduling would be a nightmare. I think these issues are a breaking point with BYU and the Big 12. If BYU does not change things then asking them to join will not happen.
Watered down or not every conference in the P5 has their weakest links.
B1G - Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland (for now)
ACC - Boston College, Wake Forest, UVA
SEC - Kentucky, Vanderbilt,
PAC 12 - Oregon State, Colorado
Utah, and many other states, measure alcohol content by weight, while other states measure by volume. As this story from City Weekly (2011) explains, there is basically no difference. It's not like Heineken has a special vat where they brew beer to export to just Utah.
August 24, 2011 News » Cover Story
The 3.2 Myth
Just because it's 3.2 beer doesn't mean it's lightweight
By Randy Harward
Locals and tourists carp about Utah wuss beer all the time, but we don’t really know the score. Utah law measures alcohol content by weight (ABW), says Uinta Brewing production manager Kevin Ely, who explains that this “was the method of measuring percents of mixed dilutions, alcohol in particular, during the Prohibition Era. A lot has changed in chemistry methodology and food-science practices.”
Utah is renowned for its 3.2 percent ABW beer. But if Utah beers were measured in the same fashion as most other beers (by volume), it’s really 4.0 percent ABV beer. This percentage is just slightly less than the average alcohol content of most mainstream beers. Alcohol by weight (ABW) is 80 percent of the amount by volume (ABV).
When you measure by weight, Ely says, you’ll find 3.2 grams of alcohol in every 100 grams of beer. But since beer is a liquid, it makes more sense to measure it volumetrically (ABV). “So, in 100 milliliters of beer, there are 4 milliliters of alcohol. Internationally, that’s how alcohol is measured.”So when putting Utah beer up against so-called “high-point beer” in other states (excepting Oklahoma, Kansas and Colorado, where grocery stores only sell 3.2 beer), the difference isn’t enough to cry about. Common, big-name brews like Budweiser and Coors are only .4-.5 percent stronger, and most light beers only have about .2 percent more kick than our supposedly daintier beers. And get this: “Around the world, [weaker] beers are what people drink day in and day out,” Ely says. “If you go into a Scottish pub, there are a lot of beers that are way below 4 percent alcohol.”
English ales are commonly around 3 to 3.5 percent ABW or 3.7 to 4.4 percent ABV. In fact, the milder the beer, the more refreshing and satisfying it can be. Guinness Original/Extra Stout is 4.2 or 4.3 percent ABV in Ireland, and is adjusted to 5 percent for Americans.
Guess what else? Utah’s 3.2 limitation only applies to beer sold in bars and grocery stores. Our state liquor stores stock beer and barley wines as high as 9 percent ABW (Chimay Grand Réserve). And among Utah microbreweries, Uinta’s Labyrinth Black Ale—part of its Crooked Line catalog—registers at 13.2 percent ABV, and Epic’s Brainless on Cherries clocks in at 10.7 percent ABV. “And in a couple of months,” says Epic brewmaster Kevin Crompton, “we’ll have something even stronger.” It’s exciting because, as Crompton notes, “a few years ago, we only had a handful of breweries brewing strong beers. Now, there is [Epic], Red Rock and Uinta doing it—and I know Shades of Pale plans some high-point beers.”
Ely says there’s something to be said for the weaker brews. “We have so many 4 percent beers that are so well-brewed and so tasty,” says Ely. “All the [local] breweries do a great job. I’m really an advocate of 4 percent beers because that’s the beer you can drink the most of and still be a functioning member of society.”
August 24, 2011 News » Cover Story
The 3.2 Myth
Just because it's 3.2 beer doesn't mean it's lightweight
By Randy Harward
Locals and tourists carp about Utah wuss beer all the time, but we don’t really know the score. Utah law measures alcohol content by weight (ABW), says Uinta Brewing production manager Kevin Ely, who explains that this “was the method of measuring percents of mixed dilutions, alcohol in particular, during the Prohibition Era. A lot has changed in chemistry methodology and food-science practices.”
Utah is renowned for its 3.2 percent ABW beer. But if Utah beers were measured in the same fashion as most other beers (by volume), it’s really 4.0 percent ABV beer. This percentage is just slightly less than the average alcohol content of most mainstream beers. Alcohol by weight (ABW) is 80 percent of the amount by volume (ABV).
When you measure by weight, Ely says, you’ll find 3.2 grams of alcohol in every 100 grams of beer. But since beer is a liquid, it makes more sense to measure it volumetrically (ABV). “So, in 100 milliliters of beer, there are 4 milliliters of alcohol. Internationally, that’s how alcohol is measured.”So when putting Utah beer up against so-called “high-point beer” in other states (excepting Oklahoma, Kansas and Colorado, where grocery stores only sell 3.2 beer), the difference isn’t enough to cry about. Common, big-name brews like Budweiser and Coors are only .4-.5 percent stronger, and most light beers only have about .2 percent more kick than our supposedly daintier beers. And get this: “Around the world, [weaker] beers are what people drink day in and day out,” Ely says. “If you go into a Scottish pub, there are a lot of beers that are way below 4 percent alcohol.”
English ales are commonly around 3 to 3.5 percent ABW or 3.7 to 4.4 percent ABV. In fact, the milder the beer, the more refreshing and satisfying it can be. Guinness Original/Extra Stout is 4.2 or 4.3 percent ABV in Ireland, and is adjusted to 5 percent for Americans.
Guess what else? Utah’s 3.2 limitation only applies to beer sold in bars and grocery stores. Our state liquor stores stock beer and barley wines as high as 9 percent ABW (Chimay Grand Réserve). And among Utah microbreweries, Uinta’s Labyrinth Black Ale—part of its Crooked Line catalog—registers at 13.2 percent ABV, and Epic’s Brainless on Cherries clocks in at 10.7 percent ABV. “And in a couple of months,” says Epic brewmaster Kevin Crompton, “we’ll have something even stronger.” It’s exciting because, as Crompton notes, “a few years ago, we only had a handful of breweries brewing strong beers. Now, there is [Epic], Red Rock and Uinta doing it—and I know Shades of Pale plans some high-point beers.”
Ely says there’s something to be said for the weaker brews. “We have so many 4 percent beers that are so well-brewed and so tasty,” says Ely. “All the [local] breweries do a great job. I’m really an advocate of 4 percent beers because that’s the beer you can drink the most of and still be a functioning member of society.”
BYU's Sunday issue would not be a problem in football or basketball. Baseball and other minor sports like volleyball and swimming would create an issue.
I am retired military and work out here on Hill AFB near Layton. Since it's a federal installation, they don't have to play by the Utah rules. I usually procure beer, ale, or wine at 5% ABV and higher at the local base alcohol shop. Nice to enjoy, since coming from Germany to here upon retirement, where the ABV percentage is 6% and higher. Plus, it's cheaper to buy on base, than going to the state alcohol stores here in the area.
Their beers in Germany put ours to shame as being much stronger than the US manufactured varieties.
Their beers in Germany put ours to shame as being much stronger than the US manufactured varieties.
They might have considered it, they might not have. It doesn't matter which, they didn't decide to.
If we're giving up yearly games with Texas and Oklahoma, then the expansion candidates need to be on a similar level, or we lose strength of schedule. If we add in creampuffs, then the conference loses already shaky credibility.
hopefully that rumor comes true...and a team or two from the eastern time zone, if there's any viable candidates
I'm with TarHeelEer on this one. I don't want to lose Texas and Oklahoma games every year. That's like having Miami and Virginia Tech in the good days of the Big East. I certainly wouldn't swap Oklahoma for Cincy or UConn.
I heard a rumor yesterday that the BYU push for Big 12 membership may have hit a snag caused by the LGBT community. Seems that BYU has a clause in their Student Code of Conduct that all types of LGBT activity is deemed a violation of the Student Code and grounds for expulsion.
I'm hearing that UT has a very active LGBT student population with about 2 dozen organizations on campus and they are raising a stink about BYU being admitted to the Big 12.
I'm hearing that UT has a very active LGBT student population with about 2 dozen organizations on campus and they are raising a stink about BYU being admitted to the Big 12.
Not a fan of BYU. If you like playing against a bunch of 25 year old men then go for it. Many of their players go on missions before they enter college so they are much older when they start college. They are also way out of our geographic area. I still think Cincinnati or ECU make way more sense than going basically to the west coast.
It will be Cincy and Houston if it stops at two. If four, then BYU issues could move a couple pieces around like Colorado State in the West and Memphis in the East. BTW: Tired of all the political correctness and power plays from special interest groups. Never a fan of BYU but they have a right to their opinion as an institution. Screw all the whiners....then again bad choice of words. lol
BYU's membership in the Big12 would have no effect on the gays and lesbians in Austin, TX. It seems to me that if any trouble develops from this, it will be generated by UT's homosexuals.
BYU and Houston seem to be the prohibitive favorites. I would also like to see Colorado State and ECU. Both are probably long shots but you never know in Boren's Baffling Big 12.
Drop the mission exemption and not playing on Sunday and they might be worth it. The first would give them them a huge competitive advantage over the other teams in the league. Don't forget those kids normally spend a redshirt year learning the system before heading off for two years of spreading the word at 19.
If I'm an opposing AD/HC outside of the mountain west region where Mormons make up a sizable percentage of the population, there is no way I'm letting the mission exemption stand if they want in the league. Not playing on Sundays is a minor thing compared to the first.
The mission exemption may be the actual issue that is hanging up BYU's entry into the Big-12. Many of the powers that be at the religious schools, Baylor and TCU, essentially consider Mormons to be odd heretics at best. TCU had to let the mission exemption slide once because they had no other place to go but the Mountain West Conference. With Baylor in their camp, and residing firmly in Texas' pocket, I doubt they'll let it be a thorn in their side again.
BYU hasn't been relevant for years. Add more headaches than it's worth by adding them. They're as arrogant as Texas. Add a Florida team and Cinci then call it a day.
BYU is the obvious first pick, if they can resolve the no-Sunday games problem. In football, that shouldn't be a thorn. Basketball might be, though.
Houston nationally has more pizazz now than Cincy or Central Florida, although Orlando would be a good market for the Big 12 to dive into. Geography is irrelevant in today's college football. Only the money that a school can bring to the conference table counts.
That probably favors BYU and Houston, then Central Florida. FedEx may not be enough to get Memphis through the door.
I'll just enjoy seeing Oklahoma or Texas in Mountaineer Field every year, and be grateful that Oliver Luck got WVU a $30 million Big 12 payout every year, plus about $8 million in 3rd-tier rights, while Marshall will get $200,000 from Conference USA. Seems about right to show the difference between the two programs.
Houston nationally has more pizazz now than Cincy or Central Florida, although Orlando would be a good market for the Big 12 to dive into. Geography is irrelevant in today's college football. Only the money that a school can bring to the conference table counts.
That probably favors BYU and Houston, then Central Florida. FedEx may not be enough to get Memphis through the door.
I'll just enjoy seeing Oklahoma or Texas in Mountaineer Field every year, and be grateful that Oliver Luck got WVU a $30 million Big 12 payout every year, plus about $8 million in 3rd-tier rights, while Marshall will get $200,000 from Conference USA. Seems about right to show the difference between the two programs.
You probably WON'T see Texas or Oklahoma every year at Mountaineer Field if they expand. Whoever they add, (if they do add teams in the end) it will be anti climactic. The talk leading up to expansion has probably been way more exciting than the actual reality of adding any of these teams.
