What do other football coaches think about the WVU team's performance...

[Rootmaster]

apparently not much. Sixty four coaches vote in the Coaches Poll...lightweights like Mark Dantonio, Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, Art Briles etc.

They voted the Mountaineers in at number 40 with the resounding total of one vote. Ranked ahead of WVU in the opinion of these 64 guys who obviously no nothing about football were a lot of teams not worthy of discussion of being at the level of our program, included: Navy, Western Kentucky, San Diego State, Toledo, Temple, Marshall (good grief), Appy State, Boise St., and Memphis.

By the way we tied with Georgia Southern. Just wait until year six or seven for the current staff!

Yes, we have seen a lot of progress in the status of the program since DH became HC. We have made the list!

Here's the link folks: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/football/polls/coaches-poll/

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Who cares?

You really think coaches fill those out with deep thought or actually bother to fill them out. Don Nehlen had his secretary and/or Shellie Poe fill his out. Steve Spurrier voted for Duke all the time (before Cutliffe arrived). which coach has time to watch 60 + other p5 schools play?

 

[Rootmaster]

Were you close to Don and Steve? I loved the Christmas cards each year! Guess in your opinion polls don't count...since the media poll voters can't possibly see each team play each week. And of course I'm sure that Candy Rice and the other playoff committee members never leave the house during football season. BTW: how do you possibly type with those blinders on? Just wonderin'.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

I don't have blinders. I just couldn't care less about the polls. There's a reason, they don't matter anymore if they ever did, except to manipulate betting lines and hype games in the upcoming season. If you.cant see that, perhaps you have blinders on. Or perhaps you are just too worried about stuff that matters not at all, Perhaps you're shallow.

Right now the college football playoff committee has 1 poll that matters or has repercussions. It picks 4 schools at seasons end. The poll they do in October means jack squat, same as the ones in November. Only in Devember and only the top 4. Schools 5-25 might as well be ranked in the bottom 20.

Everything else is worthless. Same with College basketball. Committee selects their top 4 seeds & top 68. They don't care about the AP or coaches poll says. They do their own selection.

But by all means contine to worry what some poll says. One day you'll see it don't mean jack squat.

 

[Rootmaster]

Actually the Committee has their own ranking...that would be poll. BTW: you are so worked up over the wrong point. The coaches obviously don't see the WVU program as the air raid world beaters some folks do.

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

Actually the Committee has their own ranking...that would be poll. BTW: you are so worked up over the wrong point. The coaches obviously don't see the WVU program as the air raid world beaters some folks do.

I see your point. Obviously it's a 'what have you done lately?' world. A blowout in the works that turned into an inexplicable loss against KSU followed by by a narrow win over ASU's worst passing defense among BCS schools affected their opinions. Had WVU continued the four game winning streak by ramming the ball down teams' throats and winning out it would likely have created a better impression with a 9 -4 final record. But there is nothing to be done about that now. What matters now is what happens in 2016.

 

[torontoeers]

My bet says if those 9 or 10 world beaters you listed received votes... well...I imagine more than 1 or 2 receiving NONE in comparison would raise more eyebrows than WVU at their 'rank'...

 

[Woody in Helvetia]

WVU did not deserve any votes for the top 25. The were solidly in the 30-40 range.

 

[TexasforevEER]

WV finished the season with a very respectable win loss record against top tier teams. Rank the team where you (or the 64 coaches) want. It won't change a single thing. All teams in the Big 12 are what I call............Top Tier! Every team can't win every game!

 

[Rootmaster]

I and others here didn't rank WVU anywhere...64 coaches did! lol. btw: is "respectable won loss record" the new measuring stick for Mountaineer success? I hope not.

 

[TexasforevEER]

I and others here didn't rank WVU anywhere...64 coaches did! lol. btw: is "respectable won loss record" the new measuring stick for Mountaineer success? I hope not.

Rootman.....................Yes, this is the measuring stick but it ain't new for WV sports and it ain't new for about 90% of the sports programs around the country. Take a look and you will find that only a handful of teams win 10 or more games consistently over time. Accept this or move to Bama and contribute the $$$. I am very pleased with the state of the state at WVU.
According to the experts (AP, etc) Kansas was ranked #1........WV beats them and Kansas falls to #3. Now, unranked OK State beats #3 Kansas by 20. The experts don't know any more than we do about ranking teams. That's my point.

 

[Ignored Member]

Half the coaches on the list apparently didn't even vote for their own team. Holgorsen not on the list, so for even one other coach to consider that WVU was worthy of consideration speaks greater than where we may rank.

Good Lord, 87 other schools didn't even get ONE VOTE!

 

[TIREPUNK]

Football is a joke until they take into SOS into consideration. Until then it is all about wins and losses.

Do you really think for example that a 6-5 Tennessee team with losses to Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Oklahoma, and Georgia is worse than 8-3 Marshla team with losses to Ohio, WKU, and MTS.

I bet a lot of "voters" would put Marshla ahead in the polls based solely on better record. It....is.....stoopid. Only "thought" put into "polls" is for the top 4, after that it is a beauty contest.

Only a tourney like the NCAA in BB gets it right, after the tourney.

 

[Rootmaster]

Some folks seem to get all panty bunched because I posted the coaches poll. Sorry.

I will not ever accept that the new normal for WVU and sports is to accept being so-so as good or great. That's not why the game (any game) is played. Sports is about striving to be the best not just to wear the uniform...or get a participation trophy which is the norm today in amateur athletics. Thank goodness that I had coaches who pushed us on to better things. Not keeping score, or being judged, or being rated is okay in T-ball but at the college level...come on now!

However, I agree that the NCAA gets it right in hoops...that's why the "second tier" schools like Gonzaga or Butler play their way to and through the tournament. Until Div 1 football gets that and goes to a real playoff system things will be determined by how a group of media types, coaches or Playoff Committee members "see" a program. Polls mean everything unfortunately. That is not a good thing for WVU.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

apparently not much. Sixty four coaches vote in the Coaches Poll...lightweights like Mark Dantonio, Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, Art Briles etc.

They voted the Mountaineers in at number 40 with the resounding total of one vote. Ranked ahead of WVU in the opinion of these 64 guys who obviously no nothing about football were a lot of teams not worthy of discussion of being at the level of our program, included: Navy, Western Kentucky, San Diego State, Toledo, Temple, Marshall (good grief), Appy State, Boise St., and Memphis.

By the way we tied with Georgia Southern. Just wait until year six or seven for the current staff!

Yes, we have seen a lot of progress in the status of the program since DH became HC. We have made the list!

Here's the link folks: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/football/polls/coaches-poll/

^^^where do we find these fans?^^^ lmao

 

[TexasforevEER]

That sports poll that is being discussed ain't werf the paper it's written on!

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

WV finished the season with a very respective win loss record against top tier teams. Rank the team where you (or the 64 coaches) want. It won't change a single thing.

I assume you mean "respectable," but that's still utter BS. Our record against "top tier" teams was 0-fer. We played 4 ranked teams, lost them all, and were outscored by 179-98. That's not "respectable."

We beat ONE Power 5 team that finished with a winning record. But, TTU was as bad against the top tier as were we. It also beat just 1 Power 5 team that finished with a winning record, went 0-5 against ranked teams, and was outscored 307-194 in those games. (Yeah, that's right it gave up an average of over 61 PPG to ranked teams!)

 

[Rootmaster]

punish-eer...yeah, I ask myself the same question...when it comes to accepting so-so results...where do we get these fans! lol You do understand what I am saying I hope?

 

[michaelwalkerbr]

I do. 2016 is sink or swim year for Coach Holgorsen. Personally I hope he comes up with a Mark Spitz at QB and swims for a gold medal!

 

[TexasforevEER]

I assume you mean "respectable," but that's still utter BS. Our record against "top tier" teams was 0-fer. We played 4 ranked teams, lost them all, and were outscored by 179-98. That's not "respectable."

We beat ONE Power 5 team that finished with a winning record. But, TTU was as bad against the top tier as were we. It also beat just 1 Power 5 team that finished with a winning record, went 0-5 against ranked teams, and was outscored 307-194 in those games. (Yeah, that's right it gave up an average of over 61 PPG to ranked teams!)

Every team in the Big 12 is respectable and also Top Tier. WV plays good ball against the Big 12 teams. I am pleased with our football program but I must admit ............ I hope WV goes undefeated next year. If they don't................I'm a big boy.

 

[xWVU2010x]

punish-eer...yeah, I ask myself the same question...when it comes to accepting so-so results...where do we get these fans! lol You do understand what I am saying I hope?

I dont get how people can look at DH's conference record and think "great coach". If thats the best we can hope for then why do people even show up? Hire someone with the potential to deliver at the highest level or just cut all funding to the program. Being content with middling results is more pathetic than aiming high and missing very low.

I think alot of people on this board want to change our "LETS GO.... MOUNTAINEERS" chant at the stadium to "LETS GO.... 7-6"

 

[ThePunish-EER]

punish-eer...yeah, I ask myself the same question...when it comes to accepting so-so results...where do we get these fans! lol You do understand what I am saying I hope?

do you realize (as the OP pointed out earlier) those teams were voted higher because of a better record and not because they were perceived as better than WVU? It's the same concept as when those midmajors go undefeated and windup in the top 10. Nobody thinks a 12-0 Tulane is better than 7-5 or 8-4 Auburn. It's a pat on the back and reward to those teams, but not taken seriously. No way is western Kentucky or Marshall better lol. This is common sense bud.

 

[Rootmaster]

I started this thread punish-eer...and your opinion is just that opinion...or what you wish it meant which is worse. It was a poll by coaches and that's that. When you accept so so results then this is what you get. Hey you should be happy to see the Mountaineers come in at #40! LOL

 

[dave]

apparently not much. Sixty four coaches vote in the Coaches Poll...lightweights like Mark Dantonio, Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, Art Briles etc.

They voted the Mountaineers in at number 40 with the resounding total of one vote. Ranked ahead of WVU in the opinion of these 64 guys who obviously no nothing about football were a lot of teams not worthy of discussion of being at the level of our program, included: Navy, Western Kentucky, San Diego State, Toledo, Temple, Marshall (good grief), Appy State, Boise St., and Memphis.

By the way we tied with Georgia Southern. Just wait until year six or seven for the current staff!

Yes, we have seen a lot of progress in the status of the program since DH became HC. We have made the list!

Here's the link folks: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/football/polls/coaches-poll/

The whole concept is ridiculous. If all 64 coaches who voted ranked WVU 26th in the poll WVU would have zero points in the poll and be behind 15-20 teams who also received votes but in the mind of every coach they would be 26th. The poll only rewards the top 25.

 

[Rootmaster]

Then all polls are useless? Maybe we should cancel elections and have those things decided by two or three really smart people too? Seriously, it amazes me that any perceived slight to WVU or negative view by outsiders gets twisted into the "these things don't count and we know the real truth" category. BTW: I don't think the Mountaineers were number 40 either, but I also don't think that the rash of recent so so seasons puts them a hell of a lot higher either.

 

[dave]

Then all polls are useless? Maybe we should cancel elections and have those things decided by two or three really smart people too? Seriously, it amazes me that any perceived slight to WVU or negative view by outsiders gets twisted into the "these things don't count and we know the real truth" category. BTW: I don't think the Mountaineers were number 40 either, but I also don't think that the rash of recent so so seasons puts them a hell of a lot higher either.

Well. I explained it pretty clearly and apparently you are not interested in logical adult conversation. I apologize for wasting my time explaining something so simple. I also apologize to everyone who has to read you compare a sports poll to an election. Good dolt...i mean day sir.

 

[VaultHunter]

All I know is WVU had a chance to win 10 games this season but won 8. 1 game it blew against a very good Oklahoma State team. 1 game it blew against a very bad K State team. I'm sure plenty of people around the country know that coaching cost us in those 2 losses and not talent. Holgorsen better find a way to turn those WTF moments into good decision moments or sayonara. Here's a question. Do you think coaches and the media know that WVU's program is good enough to win 10 games with a competent head coach who can recruit a division 1 quarterback? Maybe they see WVU as underachieving just like some of us These Types Of Fans.

 

[VaultHunter]

Also how many here would still consider polls meaningless if WVU was ranked inside the top 25? Anyone? Hello??...didn't think so.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I started this thread punish-eer...and your opinion is just that opinion...or what you wish it meant which is worse. It was a poll by coaches and that's that. When you accept so so results then this is what you get. Hey you should be happy to see the Mountaineers come in at #40! LOL

no it's not just "my opinion". It's the truth. Playing a midmajor schedule and losing to WKU, Ohio, and Louisiana tech to finish 9-3 in CUSA does not make you better than a team losing to Tcu, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state, and Kansas state to finish 8-5 in the Big 12. I don't care what the poll ranking is, it's unfortunately only reliant on records. And not level of competition. Anybody with a brain knows WVU would go undefeated in CUSA if they were in it this year. Then you guys would be crying because we aren't getting respect.

Then all polls are useless? Maybe we should cancel elections and have those things decided by two or three really smart people too? Seriously, it amazes me that any perceived slight to WVU or negative view by outsiders gets twisted into the "these things don't count and we know the real truth" category. BTW: I don't think the Mountaineers were number 40 either, but I also don't think that the rash of recent so so seasons puts them a hell of a lot higher either.

level of competition is tougher. This was a good year for us

 

[dave]

Also how many here would still consider polls meaningless if WVU was ranked inside the top 25? Anyone? Hello??...didn't think so.

The poll only ranks the top 25. Outside the top 25 it is meaningless no matter who is ranked. It is a logical conclusion.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Also how many here would still consider polls meaningless if WVU was ranked inside the top 25? Anyone? Hello??...didn't think so.

does WVU play in CUSA, or any midmajor conference for that matter? Anyone? Hello??...didn't think so. If WVU is ranked out of the big12, it's legit.

 

[Rootmaster]

It is still about recruiting, coaching and winning...something that has been in short supply for Mountaineer football in recent seasons. BTW: Dave...I'm sure you are still on...anyone with over 100,000 posts must have super glued his fingers to a keyboard...look in a mirror before using name calling. You might just see your words staring back at you.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

It is still about recruiting, coaching and winning...something that has been in short supply for Mountaineer football in recent seasons. BTW: Dave...I'm sure you are still on...anyone with over 100,000 posts must have super glued his fingers to a keyboard...look in a mirror before using name calling. You might just see your words staring back at you.

wth are you talking about? Recruiting, coaching, and winning in short supply in recent seasons?? You realize WVU averages about 7 wins in the last 30 years? This is par for the program. Dana averages 7 wins a year. And now it's against much tougher competition. Looks like coaching is better than Nehlen and Stewart. How is recruiting worse?

 

[Rootmaster]

Better coach than Nehlen and Stewart? How young are you? You are just joking right?

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Better coach than Nehlen and Stewart? How young are you? You are just joking right?

old enough to say I've been a fan through Nehlens entire career.

 

[eerdoc]

apparently not much. Sixty four coaches vote in the Coaches Poll...lightweights like Mark Dantonio, Jimbo Fisher, Brian Kelly, Art Briles etc.

They voted the Mountaineers in at number 40 with the resounding total of one vote. Ranked ahead of WVU in the opinion of these 64 guys who obviously no nothing about football were a lot of teams not worthy of discussion of being at the level of our program, included: Navy, Western Kentucky, San Diego State, Toledo, Temple, Marshall (good grief), Appy State, Boise St., and Memphis.

By the way we tied with Georgia Southern. Just wait until year six or seven for the current staff!

Yes, we have seen a lot of progress in the status of the program since DH became HC. We have made the list!

Here's the link folks: http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/football/polls/coaches-poll/

Whether a person is blinded by being partisan or just an avid sports fan it is not difficult to determine the idiocy of this ranking of teams. People know and appreciate who plays what brand of football and could beat whom on most occasions. Doubt there are many well connected football fans who have watched innumerable college games involving a whole lot of teams who would say that in a matchup between WVU and the likes of Western Kentucky, Temple, Toledo,Marshall, Appy State that WVU would not be a prohibitive favorite. Throw in the general reputation of the football program and its history and that prediction expands to include Navy, San Diego State and Memphis. This poll is absurd and should receive tha amount of attention generally reserved for anything absurd.

 

[TexasforevEER]

What constitutes a good coach? Can a bad coach win 10 games a year? With the right players and an adequate staff....................a bad head coach can win 10 or more games! Besides, fans cannot assess a coach. It's just what they THINK!