We're not starting over - not going to happen. Get over it.
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There is still a lot of season left to be played. I am not ready to write off our team or the coach.
It seem to me like we are competitively playing some of the best teams in the country. I wish we could win every game, but that doesn't happen in a power conference unless you are a great team. To me it looks like Dana is getting closer and closer to some of the other top programs in this conference. Lyons is too smart to make a change now.
Hahahahaha. You'll be the first to scream what a loser Dana was when he does get fired. And it will most definitely happen! But for now you keep trying to convince everyone he is the answer. There are no excuses left. He can't hide behind bad staff hires THAT HE MADE! Can't hide behind the excuse of no depth! Can't hide behind no good receivers and QB because THEY ARE ALL HIS RECRUITS! Can't hide behind lack of facilities because we are poring money out of buckets into them! Hell he can't even hide behind an offensive coordinator because we don't have one! Dana isn't the answer and this latest episode of keystone cops on offense is making that more and more obvious. We have come full circle. We are back to successfully running the 3-3-5 stack with a WV born and bread d-coordinator and an offense that is inept and undisciplined. It's karma. We ran Stew off in an un-professional manner and ended up with a younger, drunker, just as inept head coach in his place.
0 fer October then the annual November collapse. Is it basketball season yet? At least we have a BB coach who can compete at this level.
Not as risky as starting 0-4 in conference play in a coaches 5th season in charge. We will have to beat Texas Tech and Kansas State to reach mediocrity, and you say starting over is risky?
a new coach would be expensive. money is tight and this is not maryland. anyone wvu could afford will be a huge long shot.
even the biggest dolts are starting to see that dana is not head coach material. but his contract has wvu behind the 8 ball now. fans have to be patient.
Let me tell about expensive. I drive 6 hours to each home game. Each one of those games costs my family a minimum of $800 when you consider gas, lodging, tickets, and food. The TCU game in Dallas will cost me significantly more. At what point does a person say the result is not worth the cost? Yes, I know that is a personal choice, and yes some will question your fandom if you do not throw good money after bad. The point is, there will come a time when enough people with enough money will start asking the same questions, and then it will be worth it. Top tier programs do not allow this to go on any longer.
With all of that said, I am will to accept your response if we would have stayed in the BE and accepted our eventual AAC fate. But if you want to move up, you have to step up.
With all of that said, I am will to accept your response if we would have stayed in the BE and accepted our eventual AAC fate. But if you want to move up, you have to step up.
The last thing any college football program wants to do is emulate Maryland or Pitt. That coaching merry-go-round has made it very difficult to recruit and emptied the stadiums. Pitt is trying to adjust to being in a power conference ( although the Coastal Division of the ACC doesn't seem like a power conference - no FSU or Clemson ). WVU is playing with the best of the best and we certainly aren't going to win every game, but if OSU is top 15 program then we aren't that far behind.
There are always going to be some morons who want to do a "message board firing" after every loss. Yawn. Even the trolls can't come up with a replacement better than Holgorsen. He is here until the end of his contract.
There are always going to be some morons who want to do a "message board firing" after every loss. Yawn. Even the trolls can't come up with a replacement better than Holgorsen. He is here until the end of his contract.
let the new AD know how you feel.
focus your money, time and attention on basketball. help bring about positive change and accept that it will take time.
We should we are WVU!
We can win in any conference right away!
We have top coaches and players beating down the door to come here!
We don't have to build anything!
Far Dana!
We can win in any conference right away!
We have top coaches and players beating down the door to come here!
We don't have to build anything!
Far Dana!
This is what I said the last time. Thankful, we had Ollie basically running the program or Dana would have been gone long ago with his terrible hires. Change has tons of risk. You 100% correct because I have seen almost every school in America make a bad hire. Shoot, We saw teams like Rutgers, MD, UA, and to a certain degree Pitt screw this up for the last 20 or 30 years. Hiring a new coach has a huge risk. Its the same thing I said when Stew was fired.
[QUOTE="TruWVblu, post: 393575, member: 498" ] Let me tell about expensive. I drive 6 hours to each home game. Each one of those games costs my family a minimum of $800 when you consider gas, lodging, tickets, and food. The TCU game in Dallas will cost me significantly more. At what point does a person say the result is not worth the cost? Yes, I know that is a personal choice, and yes some will question your fandom if you do not throw good money after bad. The point is, there will come a time when enough people with enough money will start asking the same questions, and then it will be worth it. Top tier programs do not allow this to go on any longer.
With all of that said, I am will to accept your response if we would have stayed in the BE and accepted our eventual AAC fate. But if you want to move up, you have to step up.[/QUOTE]
Heck..................someone should have told you that you may be traveling to see West Virginia lose a football game. If you think they are gonna win just because you spend an insane amount of money for gas, lodging, tickets and food...................you better re-evaluate. My suggestion is: Stay at home and watch the game on your wide screen high definition cable ready LCD television with PIP. That's what I decided to do a few years ago. The result ain't worth the cost! WV games now cost me the price of a pizza and maybe a long neck beer or two. Entertainment at it's finest! Besides..............ain't the drive home sooooooooooooo long after a loss? You wanna move up? Step up!
With all of that said, I am will to accept your response if we would have stayed in the BE and accepted our eventual AAC fate. But if you want to move up, you have to step up.[/QUOTE]
Heck..................someone should have told you that you may be traveling to see West Virginia lose a football game. If you think they are gonna win just because you spend an insane amount of money for gas, lodging, tickets and food...................you better re-evaluate. My suggestion is: Stay at home and watch the game on your wide screen high definition cable ready LCD television with PIP. That's what I decided to do a few years ago. The result ain't worth the cost! WV games now cost me the price of a pizza and maybe a long neck beer or two. Entertainment at it's finest! Besides..............ain't the drive home sooooooooooooo long after a loss? You wanna move up? Step up!
The contract is an issue and Clements/Luck left Lyons with a mess to clean with Dana( now Im not going off on Ollie because his overall body of work at WVU was pretty good so this is not a trashing of Luck). Ollie did make a mistake with Dana.
Why a post like this here....and then acting like those who watch games on tv are below you in other threads ??
In my case, even if I lived in Morgantown i wouldn't attend most home football games (even if we were a top team) yet would only rarely not see a home basketball game in person. I just prefer football on tv and basketball live. What's the big deal ??
Dude where have you been the last several years? 5 years in! Do you even know the record WVU has in the last few years? Maryland and Pitt? Where do you see Holgy's program compared to where those two are right now? It would be a pissing contest trying to argue for and placing WVU ahead of any of the middle-of-the-pack programs! WVU is at a crossroads and are stuck in mud with this lunatic in charge!
That 3rd and 2 call in OT should be enough for any football fan with any type of football IQ. To see he is a horrible head coach. Throw in the multiple stupid penalties every game. Screams adequacy.
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We are not and likely will never be top tier. Just not going to happen. I think things could definitely be worse and just like if we had another win right now, I am going to wait out the entire body of work.
College football is entertainment and every game has a loser. You're old enough to know programs have ups and downs and believe it or not, your participation isn't all that important when the matter is taken into scale. Unfortunately, your life won't get any better if we start winning more games and if we do hire a new coach that gets better results you'll still be getting the same thing in return for your money that you're now - the opportunity to watch a football game.
What a surprise - a football team loses a game and a fan says he's upset about how much money he spent to attend it. Could anything be more predictable?
You're exactly right. All sports are in their current financial state due to their entertainment value. And do you know who is eventually responsible for setting that value? The fans! When we have a stadium that looks like Heinz field on a Saturday you can point to this inaction as the reason why. Leaving the current coaching staff in place to continue it's ineptness will not go unpunished by the fans. Losing games by our own self inflicted wounds is a hard pill to swallow. We've been doing it for four years now. Nothing seems to ever improve. QB play is still awful, running backs still fumbling, special teams are inadequate, even the defense has lapses where players are running wide open in the secondary, play calling and game management aren't any better, and the o-line is still one sided (just so happens that this season they run block but cant pass block, last season they could pass block but couldn't run block), we are undisciplined on offense, our head coach/offensive coordinator seems more worried about yelling at the refs and blaming others than instilling that discipline. Look for more of the same extreme highs followed by extreme lows. And when it averages out it is mediocrity!
You want a reflection on your coaching and recruiting??...There are 128 Division 1A teams in college football. Right now, after the first five games (almost half the season), WVU is currently 119th in penalties per game and 126th in penalty yards....94.8 yards PER GAME. And until the Big XII officials started loosening up in the last few games of last year, WVU was way up there in these categories last year as well. https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/penalty-yards-per-game
The record speaks for itself. I'm content to let this all play out. Think its interesting that we are being asked to accept the fact that we probably go down Saturday....As a student during some of the worst times, we didn't beleive that...but we weren't in such a strong and invincible conference where we can't compete. A tired refrain after four plus years.....Wait till next year! Weeeeee!
Yeah. The Big East was so bad that it went 25-26 against the Big XII during its lifetime and I believe split four BCS games. That crutch was a lie from the start. I get it that Dana's a Big XII guy, but throwing his talent under the bus for three years...that was pretty lame.
He was loaded with Geno and company our First Big 12 season....like his predecessor though he had the Cadillac and turned it into an Edsel....Guy gets more chances and excuses then anyone before him. No more excuses...get the job done or Get Out!
I was talking to Doc Holiday at MAC event the first year he was back at WVU, and he was shocked at just how little talent was left in the program.
The month of October and how tough it was going to be was all everyone talked about a few months ago. Although I fully expected us to beat Okie Lite, I'm not willing to give up if we go 0'fer. We've never played a month this tough before. Let's see how the team handles it in November.
If we lose every game in October who gives a dam about the rest of the season? All it'll prove is where we register on the mediocrity meter. At this rate I can't see us beating K-State, Texas, TCU, or Baylor. If we go winless in October look for the wheels to fall off. Dana will be turn into the "MY system is awesome these players suck!!!" mode. The fans will finally realize that the excuses of the last three seasons are exactly that, excuses! And the assistants will start worrying about self preservation instead of improving the product on the field. Do ya think Dana feels any stress right now? I'm sure he knows his season and possibly his job hangs in the balance over these next two games. But then again Oliver Luck made sure he will paid no matter how much he sucks.
I don't think Holgs penned his own contract. I seriously think the WV shiny shoes wrote the contract that Dana signed. Now, if WV decides to terminate the contract with Holgs..............they must render into Holgs what is Holgs. The only stress Holgs is feeling is how to carry that buyout check for $8.5 million to the bank. Hail, you can't hurt Holgs by firing him!
Like you, I expected to beat Oklahoma St in this tough stretch...and of course you're dead on that the October schedule was much discussed before the season.
However, it's definitely hard to have much confidence in the idea of waiting to see how the team handles November when Holgorsen's teams have faded in that month each year since joining the Big 12.
football is king. most will still go to the games.
if you want to support the university, have a good time, and let lyons know how you feel... put spend your hard earned in basketball tickets.
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