Viable solution to the contract problem
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I've brought up that possibility in the past. It can be done. That is essentially what FSU did to Bowden and he chose to quit instead.
I'm sure there would be nothing Dana could do about it (besides quit). I just don't know if Gibby would do it. Hard to work with Dana after that if he actually stayed.
Lots of people argued that it would ruin our ability to hire anyone good after that, since we would "look bad" for doing such a move.
My answer is bullcrap. You coach to win the game. If you win here, you won't have to worry about being a victim of such a move.
I'm sure there would be nothing Dana could do about it (besides quit). I just don't know if Gibby would do it. Hard to work with Dana after that if he actually stayed.
Lots of people argued that it would ruin our ability to hire anyone good after that, since we would "look bad" for doing such a move.
My answer is bullcrap. You coach to win the game. If you win here, you won't have to worry about being a victim of such a move.
Lots of people argued that it would ruin our ability to hire anyone good after that, since we would "look bad" for doing such a move.
ha, people do feel they owe dana for some reason. probably the same group that applauded the hciw plan.
it's a solid way to move forward and it could be done now or at season's end. but it's just one way to handle the situation. i'm sure lyons can come up with others.
ha, people do feel they owe dana for some reason. probably the same group that applauded the hciw plan.
it's a solid way to move forward and it could be done now or at season's end. but it's just one way to handle the situation. i'm sure lyons can come up with others.
I just asked the same question about Keaton's Corner, but is WVPpaper a serious poster or someone having fun?
LOL - We tried to get tricky last time we wanted to shove a coach out the door, do you remember how that played out?
If you want an employee gone, you fire them...no bullshit games. You fire them and settle up what you owe. Generally, courts protect individual employees over corporations/organizations so trying to weasel out of his contractually owed money isn't a smart play.
What you do is figure out how much money you owe him and secure the funds. Then you inform him that his employment has been terminated and fulfill the obligation.
What you think doesn't really matter. Judges aren't too fond of these practices and there's lots of precedent protecting employees. It's nothing like benching a QB. Dana has a negotiated contract with WVU. Unless Dana violates the terms of his contract, WVU is accountable for its fulfillment.
You do remember that we ended up paying Stewart, right?
you don't seem to get it...
we will have to pay dana for his full contract. this is unavoidable.
i'm talking about putting the program in position to WIN football games.
Fine, but you're also saying we need to name a new coach in place of Dana. To do that, we need to fire him first and then hire someone for the job, and yes that will cost money.
Yeah its a genius plan. All football programs that are struggling should just have two head coaches.
Maybe we could have Co-University Presidents too?
"Putting the program in position to win football games"
That's what Dana is paid to do. If he can't do that, you fire him and hire someone you think can. Your ideas are always great until they're met by facts and the reality of life, but don't worry - if we lose next week you can message board fire him again and hire three new imaginary coaches.
That's what Dana is paid to do. If he can't do that, you fire him and hire someone you think can. Your ideas are always great until they're met by facts and the reality of life, but don't worry - if we lose next week you can message board fire him again and hire three new imaginary coaches.
Actually the OP's thought isn't a bad one. LOL you could even change the new coach from the existing staff and call him the Head Coach In Charge or call Dana FHCIW...that would be Former Head Coach in Waiting. Let him work OC position and pay him the same. Biz does it all the time. If he doesn't like it, let DH negotiate his release! LOL
no matter what happens, you will always be able to follow dana's career, perhaps at a local high school. dont get so worked up.
Is this clown serious? Promote Lonnie Galloway and demote Holgs to OC? Yeah I'm sure Dana would go for that and that wouldn't cause any problems at all.
After giving it more thought, two Head Coaches ain't enough. What we need is a Head Coach Committee, ideally comprised of nine Head Coaches.
Wow...you guys spend way too much time analyzing things to spot, or understand, satire! LOL again.
To settle this argument....FSU DID EXACTLY THIS SAME TACTIC. It's not rocket science. He will get his money, but will answer to someone above him for all HC-type decisions. No change in title to keep the lawyers happy. If things got really ugly and Dana wouldn't budge on his buyout, I would at least threaten it.
It would absolutely shame him publicly and affect his ability to get a P5 HC job in the foreseeable future while doing nothing illegal. As long as we have 3M to throw around for a HC, there will be good/great HCs willing to listen. We have a roster than a good HC can win with. Don't underestimate the draw of not having to start a team from scratch.....especially if Chugs is as advertised.
The problem with this approach is whether or not an assistant would step up and be willing to piss off Dana and be the "lead coach." Again...if it came to that...threaten that if they won't do it then we will fire one of them and find someone who will for 1 season. Essentially he would be able to audition for the job for a whole season for WVU or for someone else looking for a HC.
I know Paper has a rep...but this approach is legit and legal and has been effective.
It would absolutely shame him publicly and affect his ability to get a P5 HC job in the foreseeable future while doing nothing illegal. As long as we have 3M to throw around for a HC, there will be good/great HCs willing to listen. We have a roster than a good HC can win with. Don't underestimate the draw of not having to start a team from scratch.....especially if Chugs is as advertised.
The problem with this approach is whether or not an assistant would step up and be willing to piss off Dana and be the "lead coach." Again...if it came to that...threaten that if they won't do it then we will fire one of them and find someone who will for 1 season. Essentially he would be able to audition for the job for a whole season for WVU or for someone else looking for a HC.
I know Paper has a rep...but this approach is legit and legal and has been effective.
Yeah - That stuff doesn't happen in the real world. You cannot demote coaches and make them report to their assistants. No coach with a lick of pride would come coach here if we start treating employees like that. Stewart's treatment was bad enough, but to essentially do the same thing twice? I'd hope Lyons wouldn't be so dumb to even try, especially after what a shit show it was in 2011 with the Stew fiasco.
If you want to get rid of the man, you fire him. Case closed. Oliver Luck put that buyout in the contract, and WVU has to live with it, unless Dana violates the agreement somehow.
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IMO the co-head coach plan is neither legal nor fair to either Dana or Tony. This is what I propose: win 5 out of the last 6 games. After TCU we have Texas Tech, Texas and Iowa State at home. All Tough games but all winnable. Winless Kansas will be on the road along with KSU who just lost 55-0 to Oklahoma. If we get healthy it's entirely possible we win 5 out of those last 6 and finish at 8-4.
We get a very decent bowl bid and the program is on the upswing again. Reward Dana by giving him him a contract extension so he can sell the program to recruits and include a buyout clause that will benefit the university should he continue to struggle. If, after another year, there is no improvement buy out his contract and send him packing.
So the plan is to publicly shame him and intentionally damage his ability to find future employment?
LMAO - Yeah, you're gonna run into some problems with that.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean you won't get slapped with a lawsuit from the action. Have you forgot that we ended up paying Stewart?
LOL - I'd love to be at that deposition. "Well, you see we didn't want to pay him the money we owed him under his contract, so instead we decided to make a plan to publically shame him and and ya know....kinda, make it so he'd never be able to get another job."
Paper has a rep? Lol. Is it smug guy that doesn't hide he's smarter than most here? It should be.
Jimbo Fisher stayed at FSU. He's done OK there.
I know it's not exactly the most polite way to handle this, but we got stuck with an unfair contract which gives us zero leverage. This move levels the field. Did we agree to said contract? Yes. To get out of this, Dana will still end up with more money than he deserves...so I wouldn't have a pity party for him either.
LOL - Didn't you read the whole thing? It won't be a demotion because he'll still keep the title of Head Coach. That will keep the lawyers happy! He's a step ahead of you, LMAO.
He meant to say paper has a rap. Stay off the road, don't make it any longer.
I'm no contract lawyer and i didn't stay at holiday Inn last night.. but you can't be this obtuse.
Pay the man his money as long as he does his job. If he wants to sue over a change of job description, so be it and good luck to him. Lol.
We fired Stew. He didn't quit. That is a problem. I know officially he "quit", but trust me when I say he was fired.
This approach does nothing outside of his contract. Nothing illegal. Lyons won't need to explain the future damage to Dana. It will be the obvious, unspoken truth. That would also hold up in court.
" We explained to him he wasn't getting job done, so we needed someone else to call the shots. Dana could have quit and settled for a severance package of 2 M, but he didn't (If he stayed) OR "We were committed to paying him his full salary if he stayed on (If he quit)."
I'd love to see where Dana would combat that if he were dumb enough to sue. No change in title, no loss in pay for essentially doing less work. I'd be ashamed to even file that motion if I were him. Thank goodness you don't do law for a living.
Again...look at what FSU did. Educate yourself on what they did and then come back later to tell me how your thought process was fatally flawed.
By all accounts, dana is a decent play caller, when not distracted by hc responsibilities. I'm all for getting something for 6+ million.
you're not?
Hell, showing that he can still call plays without being the head coach could actually be beneficial to Dana's future career as an offensive coordinator.
I think we tried that once before and we saw how well that worked out. The only solution to this mess would be if Ollie would convince the Colts to take Holgy to work with Andrew.
