Tressel or RichRod

[WVUDisciples]

Don't know if you read the Gazette article but Gee seemed to be sending a message that if Dana doesn't win at least 4 of the last 5, we'll be getting a new coach.

With that said, I recently saw Dr. Gee at a University event and I knew better than to try to get him to comment on Dana. So I asked him a simple question and just looked for body language more than his words. I asked, "After Jim Tressel went through all he did at OSU, do you think he'd ever want to coach again?" His eyes lit up, he smiled and said, "I don't know. I think he enjoys leading apart from football. But I have great respect for him and think if he wanted to get back into coaching he'd be successful in whatever he wanted to do."

I don't want to read too much into that, but he sure didn't shoot down the idea.

 

[VaultHunter]

No WVU fan that truly cares about what is best for West Virginia University would want Tressel.

Was he a hell of a coach at Ohio State? Sure I guess but...

It was Ohio State
He got slammed with violations for basically cheating

If Tressel didn't come with a six game suspension and a bowl ban then I would at least be open to it. But there is to much baggage that comes with him and that baggage is not what is best for West Virginia University.

Just because Gee said that doesn't mean Tressel would come to WVU or mean that Gee would hire him

 

[pressvirginia]

thanks for sharing that. Tressel is a winner & all that. hard to say if he could step in and win in Morgantown now. Tressel could lure in Ohio talent. not sure where else his ties are. guessing not in Fla or in BXII territory, but I don't know of him in that detail to comment.

WVU is a bit of a tough sell as things stand right now, in my opinion. have to recruit out of state kids to the program like always. have to play Texahoma schools who score a zillion points. the more this goes on the more it looks like the BXII is not a good fit aside from TV revenue. that's another discussion and I know our options were basically nada. Tressel upon immediate reaction doesn't seem like a guy who fits into the BXII brand of ball, but being a curve ball may be what the doc ordered.

 

[Chazz Michael Michaels]

Tressel is terrible idea. 1 We'd be putting wvu on probation including bowl ban. That would screw the Seniors on the team. How's that for team chemistry ! How would season tix sales go for a season w probation and no bowl?
2 he got his last two schools in trouble
3 he Turns 63 next month. Not sure 17 and 18 yr olds remember or care about his teams of 10 yrs ago.

#1 alone is a deal breaker.
QUOTE="pressvirginia, post: 475979, member: 7491"]thanks for sharing that. Tressel is a winner & all that. hard to say if he could step in and win in Morgantown now. Tressel could lure in Ohio talent. not sure where else his ties are. guessing not in Fla or in BXII territory, but I don't know of him in that detail to comment.

WVU is a bit of a tough sell as things stand right now, in my opinion. have to recruit out of state kids to the program like always. have to play Texahoma schools who score a zillion points. the more this goes on the more it looks like the BXII is not a good fit aside from TV revenue. that's another discussion and I know our options were basically nada. Tressel upon immediate reaction doesn't seem like a guy who fits into the BXII brand of ball, but being a curve ball may be what the doc ordered.[/QUOTE]

 

[mountiefan88]

The Big 12 was never a good fit and I believe most realized it when it happened.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Don't know if you read the Gazette article but Gee seemed to be sending a message that if Dana doesn't win at least 4 of the last 5, we'll be getting a new coach.

With that said, I recently saw Dr. Gee at a University event and I knew better than to try to get him to comment on Dana. So I asked him a simple question and just looked for body language more than his words. I asked, "After Jim Tressel went through all he did at OSU, do you think he'd ever want to coach again?" His eyes lit up, he smiled and said, "I don't know. I think he enjoys leading apart from football. But I have great respect for him and think if he wanted to get back into coaching he'd be successful in whatever he wanted to do."

I don't want to read too much into that, but he sure didn't shoot down the idea.

Sounds like a prepared response and no doubt he's been asked this question hundreds of times. I wouldn't read much into it. Gee is seasoned.

 

[bamaEER]

No and no.

 

[wvpaper]

thanks for sharing that. Tressel is a winner & all that. hard to say if he could step in and win in Morgantown now. Tressel could lure in Ohio talent. not sure where else his ties are. guessing not in Fla or in BXII territory, but I don't know of him in that detail to comment.

WVU is a bit of a tough sell as things stand right now, in my opinion. have to recruit out of state kids to the program like always. have to play Texahoma schools who score a zillion points. the more this goes on the more it looks like the BXII is not a good fit aside from TV revenue. that's another discussion and I know our options were basically nada. Tressel upon immediate reaction doesn't seem like a guy who fits into the BXII brand of ball, but being a curve ball may be what the doc ordered.

exactly what i think

 

[TruWVblu]

I was not a fan of RR when he was first hired at WVU. I thought the program took a tremendous integrity hit from Nehlen to Rodriguez. With that said, some things just fit together and looking back, I think RR fits with WVU. He will likely never win as big anywhere else as he did and still could at WVU. These are just my opinions of course. I don't think we will ever know how he would do here again however. I think he is going to be the next head coach at VT. I remember when Nehlen announced his retirement mid-season in 2000 after the Syracuse game. He did so to allow us to go out and get the coach we all desired at the time, RR. He knew if he waited until the end of the season, the deal likely would not have happened. I think that deal was in the works when Nehlen announced his retirement, just as I think one is in the works to get him to VT now.

I think this will be a tremendous loss to WVU if he does go to VT. Again, I think RR and WVU are just a good fit. We just will not make a move quick enough to be in the running for his services. This actually takes a lot for me to even say, because I did not like him at all before or the way he orchestrated his departure.

As for Tressel, I have never been a fan, and the fact that he would have to serve a lengthy suspension right off the bat is a deal killer in my book. I think there are other good candidates out there, but there are also some other good jobs available. Hopefully, Lyons would already have something in the works should he pull the plug on the current coach. Personally, I would not be opposed to entertaining the idea of Doc Holliday. The knock on him previously was that he did not have HC experience and had not been a coordinator. That is different now. Not saying he should be the coach, just possibly considered. I'm also not sure how he would do in the Big 12.

 

[wvpaper]

great deal of concern over a tressel's show cause. i dont get it. does anyone think next year is anything but a rebuilding year?

 

[wbgvwbgv]

Don't know if you read the Gazette article but Gee seemed to be sending a message that if Dana doesn't win at least 4 of the last 5, we'll be getting a new coach.

With that said, I recently saw Dr. Gee at a University event and I knew better than to try to get him to comment on Dana. So I asked him a simple question and just looked for body language more than his words. I asked, "After Jim Tressel went through all he did at OSU, do you think he'd ever want to coach again?" His eyes lit up, he smiled and said, "I don't know. I think he enjoys leading apart from football. But I have great respect for him and think if he wanted to get back into coaching he'd be successful in whatever he wanted to do."

I don't want to read too much into that, but he sure didn't shoot down the idea.

It seems like Gee was the only one listening in that conversation. No school is going to hire Tressel (Gee won't say that but that is reality).

 

[wbgvwbgv]

I was not a fan of RR when he was first hired at WVU. I thought the program took a tremendous integrity hit from Nehlen to Rodriguez. With that said, some things just fit together and looking back, I think RR fits with WVU. He will likely never win as big anywhere else as he did and still could at WVU. These are just my opinions of course. I don't think we will ever know how he would do here again however. I think he is going to be the next head coach at VT. I remember when Nehlen announced his retirement mid-season in 2000 after the Syracuse game. He did so to allow us to go out and get the coach we all desired at the time, RR. He knew if he waited until the end of the season, the deal likely would not have happened. I think that deal was in the works when Nehlen announced his retirement, just as I think one is in the works to get him to VT now.

I think this will be a tremendous loss to WVU if he does go to VT. Again, I think RR and WVU are just a good fit. We just will not make a move quick enough to be in the running for his services. This actually takes a lot for me to even say, because I did not like him at all before or the way he orchestrated his departure.

As for Tressel, I have never been a fan, and the fact that he would have to serve a lengthy suspension right off the bat is a deal killer in my book. I think there are other good candidates out there, but there are also some other good jobs available. Hopefully, Lyons would already have something in the works should he pull the plug on the current coach. Personally, I would not be opposed to entertaining the idea of Doc Holliday. The knock on him previously was that he did not have HC experience and had not been a coordinator. That is different now. Not saying he should be the coach, just possibly considered. I'm also not sure how he would do in the Big 12.

RR is going to have a record worse than Holgorsen this year ( likely 5-7 ) unless he manages a really big upset in one of his last three games. And with his earlier disaster at Michigan, his return to WVU someday seem very unlikely. Now if Oklahoma, OSU, Baylor, and TCU leave the conference, then RR can return and maybe do a repeat of his glory days - never going to happen.

And the only way Holliday returns to WVU as head coach is if he brings along Marshall schedule which means that WVU decided to compete at a lower level.

Dana is probably here until 2018 or longer.

 

[motownbilly]

great deal of concern over a tressel's show cause. i dont get it. does anyone think next year is anything but a rebuilding year?

Reading these post one would think we would win 9 or more next year and have a bowl already selected. If Holgorsen stays it will be more of the same and with a new coach it will be more of the same. Some here are satisfied with the "participant trophy" rather than with wins. The only win with Holgorsen is when he is out the door.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

No, to both. Tressell as people have repeatedly noted is on show cause and not an option for 2016.

Rodriguez, regardless of what you think about him as a coach, would simply be too divisive.

 

[wvpaper]

good football is the only cure for fan discord

the coaches history or background has nothing to do with it

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Yes, it does. The fact that we have, at the least, a substantial plurality of fans and boosters who have personal animus toward Rodriguez is a factor standing alone. Moreover, while obviously not perfectly correlated, community division and success are antagonistic to one another.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

When Whit Babcock, once on the WVU athletic department staff and good at it, hires Rich at Virginia Tech, which he will, then the same people posting on here opposed to Rich coming back to WVU will be blasting WVU for NOT hiring Rich at WVU.
It's reactionary at its finest!

 

[wvpaper]

that's the point. rich needs only to have success to melt away any division.

i do not follow your assertion that initial discord would prevent his success. that's a stretch.

 

[wvpaper]

When Whit Babcock, once on the WVU athletic department staff and good at it, hires Rich at Virginia Tech, which he will, then the same people posting on here opposed to Rich coming back to WVU will be blasting WVU for NOT hiring Rich at WVU.
It's reactionary at its finest!

you are correct. but it will not happen until he wins at vt

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Whoever coaches our team next year is going to have troubles. We lose a ton on defense, and the backups have not looked particularly good.

We won't lose much on offense but the QB and OL issues are going to persist unless we manage to get a graduate transfer QB who can get up to snuff very quickly and the linemen make dramatic improvement.

The schedule is tougher. BYU and Missouri will be much tougher than Maryland and GSU.

Now, if by some chance Rodriguez came in and immediately turned us around, you might have a point. If he struggled, even slightly less than Holgorsen has struggled, many people would be on the warpath from the first struggle.

Rich's record in his first year with programs is not great:

2001: 3-8 (team was 7-5 previous year)
2008: 3-9 (team was 9-4 previous year)
2012: 8-5 (team we 4-8 previous year)

Our last two coaches have have been under the microscope from day 1 due to the mannerin which they were hired (not their fault) and, more fairly, lack of experience. Obvioously, Rich does not lack experience but he would have people waiting to pounce just because they don't like him. It's not a question of whether that is fair, it 's a question of whether that would be good for the program as opposed to bringing in someone with a clean slate and a "grace period" so to speak.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I just worry Lyons will botch Dana's replacement. So many quality openings this season. I could easily see Shane's first selections taken early then we scramble to make a hire and end up with a clown. At least Luck got the guy he actually wanted.

This RR/VT situation isn't helping.

I think Dana survives another year by pure default.

Babcock got Buzz to leave Marquette and Tuberville to leave TT. The dude can make a deal and when I saw Beamer went public with his retirement, I knew it wasn't random.

Lyons isn't in a good situation right now.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I'd be happy with Butch Jones. What offense does he run at Tenn? I want to return to the spread option, it ls good for WVU.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Whoever coaches our team next year is going to have troubles. We lose a ton on defense, and the backups have not looked particularly good.

We won't lose much on offense but the QB and OL issues are going to persist unless we manage to get a graduate transfer QB who can get up to snuff very quickly and the linemen make dramatic improvement.

The schedule is tougher. BYU and Missouri will be much tougher than Maryland and GSU.

Now, if by some chance Rodriguez came in and immediately turned us around, you might have a point. If he struggled, even slightly less than Holgorsen has struggled, many people would be on the warpath from the first struggle.

Rich's record in his first year with programs is not great:

2001: 3-8 (team was 7-5 previous year)
2008: 3-9 (team was 9-4 previous year)
2012: 8-5 (team we 4-8 previous year)

Our last two coaches have been under the microscope from day 1 due to the manner in which they were hired (not their fault) and, more fairly, lack of experience. Obviously, Rich does not lack experience but he would have people waiting to pounce just because they don't like him. It's not a question of whether that is fair; it 's a question of whether that would be good for the program as opposed to bringing in someone with a clean slate and a "grace period" so to speak.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

No one could botch a hire more than Luck did. Literally every aspect of it was inexcusably bungled. Holgorsen wasn't a first choice decided upon after a thorough examination of the available candidates, and the decision was made without input from anyone at all and based solely on his own bizarre infatuation.

The fact Lyons is not a lone wolf schemer looking to make himself appear brilliant and willing gamble recklessly to do so, and will have adult supervision makes me confident we won't repeat Luc's foolishness. Not only will Gee be involved, Lyons will do his homework, quietly and thoroughly before reaching a decision, and he has many contacts in college football whom he will rely upon for guidance. Lyons won't hire a guy because wowza dude he has an exciting offense and he's like really cool.

 

[GoWVU]

Whoever coaches our team next year is going to have troubles. We lose a ton on defense, and the backups have not looked particularly good.

We won't lose much on offense but the QB and OL issues are going to persist unless we manage to get a graduate transfer QB who can get up to snuff very quickly and the linemen make dramatic improvement.

The schedule is tougher. BYU and Missouri will be much tougher than Maryland and GSU.

At this point I have to agree. TCU was the first game I saw in person this year, and it appeared that we just flat out don't have enough talent on the field. The backups seemed as tentative and slow as we saw 2-3 years ago. It doesn't speak very well to the "improved" recruiting we keep hearing touted so often.

The OOC slate is light years tougher, even if the conference schedule falls more manageably. Right now I'm anticipating a losing team in 2016 unless we see massive improvement in multiple areas during the stretch run here in 2015.

 

[Spocker]

So....you are only making a list of coaches with NO moral values.....????

 

[wvpaper]

Whoever coaches our team next year is going to have troubles. We lose a ton on defense, and the backups have not looked particularly good.

We won't lose much on offense but the QB and OL issues are going to persist unless we manage to get a graduate transfer QB who can get up to snuff very quickly and the linemen make dramatic improvement.

The schedule is tougher. BYU and Missouri will be much tougher than Maryland and GSU.

Now, if by some chance Rodriguez came in and immediately turned us around, you might have a point. If he struggled, even slightly less than Holgorsen has struggled, many people would be on the warpath from the first struggle.

Rich's record in his first year with programs is not great:

2001: 3-8 (team was 7-5 previous year)
2008: 3-9 (team was 9-4 previous year)
2012: 8-5 (team we 4-8 previous year)

Our last two coaches have have been under the microscope from day 1 due to the manner in which they were hired (not their fault) and, more fairly, lack of experience. Obviously, Rich does not lack experience but he would have people waiting to pounce just because they don't like him. It's not a question of whether that is fair; it 's a question of whether that would be good for the program as opposed to bringing in someone with a clean slate and a "grace period" so to speak.

you're mistaking the loons that post here for the general public.

i think everyone except the 5 or 6 dana fanatics that regularly post here know next year is a rebuilding year, and perhaps the next 2.

rich would have a honeymoon period, at least equivalent to dana's 3 years. yes, dana had a 3 year honeymoon period.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

I don't think so. I know a lot of people from very casual fans to fanatics to prominent boosters and among all groups there are a lot of people who really dislike Rich. They are gleeful when he fails and I don't think they will ever get past the way he departed.

 

[Coolridge69Vette]

I thought Bud Foster was supposed to be in line as the "Coach in waiting" once Beamer retired? Am I imagining that I heard that once upon a time?

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

He's getting up there now himself and VT might see him as lacking the attributes of a good head coach. If he really wanted to be a Power 5 head coach, he probably should have taken a lesser HC job some years ago and shown he isn't better suited to be a career assistant at this level.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

No one could botch a hire more than Luck did. Literally every aspect of it was inexcusably bungled. Holgorsen wasn't a first choice decided upon after a thorough examination of the available candidates, and the decision was made without input from anyone at all and based solely on his own bizarre infatuation.

The fact Lyons is not a lone wolf schemer looking to make himself appear brilliant and willing gamble recklessly to do so, and will have adult supervision makes me confident we won't repeat Luc's foolishness. Not only will Gee be involved, Lyons will do his homework, quietly and thoroughly before reaching a decision, and he has many contacts in college football whom he will rely upon for guidance. Lyons won't hire a guy because wowza dude he has an exciting offense and he's like really cool.

We've botched our last two hires, so forgive me for not having faith in our AD, who's never had to do this before. Stewart's hiring process was terrible, even Garrison admits.

I totally agree the HCIW was ridiculous, and I shared that opinion from the start. But Luck was able to get a coach he wanted in place (although the transition should have just been a typical firing and hiring). Lyons is facing a great deal of competition and he isn't seasoned.

There is a good deal of deceit and trickery when hiring and negotiring with coaches and their agents. No doubt Lyons can identify a quality coach, but can he come to an agreement with his selection before someone else does? Will he get played?

LOL - The Apostle of Hank.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

He's way more seasoned as college athletic department executive than Luck was when he made the move. He also doesn't have the double disadvantage of the free rein to go solo which Luck had combined with Luck's misplaced confidence that he was so brilliant that it wasn't necessary to think it through.

 

[WVU enginEER]

Don't know if you read the Gazette article but Gee seemed to be sending a message that if Dana doesn't win at least 4 of the last 5, we'll be getting a new coach.

With that said, I recently saw Dr. Gee at a University event and I knew better than to try to get him to comment on Dana. So I asked him a simple question and just looked for body language more than his words. I asked, "After Jim Tressel went through all he did at OSU, do you think he'd ever want to coach again?" His eyes lit up, he smiled and said, "I don't know. I think he enjoys leading apart from football. But I have great respect for him and think if he wanted to get back into coaching he'd be successful in whatever he wanted to do."

I don't want to read too much into that, but he sure didn't shoot down the idea.

Did you notice a bulge in his pants as he spoke? You know, the body language thing.

 

[WVU enginEER]

We've botched our last two hires, so forgive me for not having faith in our AD, who's never had to do this before. Stewart's hiring process was terrible, even Garrison admits.

I totally agree the HCIW was ridiculous, and I shared that opinion from the start. But Luck was able to get a coach he wanted in place (although the transition should have just been a typical firing and hiring). Lyons is facing a great deal of competition and he isn't seasoned.

There is a good deal of deceit and trickery when hiring and negotiring with coaches and their agents. No doubt Lyons can identify a quality coach, but can he come to an agreement with his selection before someone else does? Will he get played?

LOL - The Apostle of Hank.

Lyons is no match for the Product's agent.

 

[WarezEER]

Don't know if you read the Gazette article but Gee seemed to be sending a message that if Dana doesn't win at least 4 of the last 5, we'll be getting a new coach.

With that said, I recently saw Dr. Gee at a University event and I knew better than to try to get him to comment on Dana. So I asked him a simple question and just looked for body language more than his words. I asked, "After Jim Tressel went through all he did at OSU, do you think he'd ever want to coach again?" His eyes lit up, he smiled and said, "I don't know. I think he enjoys leading apart from football. But I have great respect for him and think if he wanted to get back into coaching he'd be successful in whatever he wanted to do."

I don't want to read too much into that, but he sure didn't shoot down the idea.

So Dr. Gee's "eyes lit up." No, I wouldn't read too much into that. But, in truth..............my eyes have lit up for a lot less.

 

[Pushingtin]

Reading these post one would think we would win 9 or more next year and have a bowl already selected. If Holgorsen stays it will be more of the same and with a new coach it will be more of the same. Some here are satisfied with the "participant trophy" rather than with wins. The only win with Holgorsen is when he is out the door.

"Participant Trophy" fans....I like that....and fits quite a few on here

 

[mtneer93]

No WVU fan that truly cares about what is best for West Virginia University would want Tressel.

Was he a hell of a coach at Ohio State? Sure I guess but...

It was Ohio State
He got slammed with violations for basically cheating

If Tressel didn't come with a six game suspension and a bowl ban then I would at least be open to it. But there is to much baggage that comes with him and that baggage is not what is best for West Virginia University.

Just because Gee said that doesn't mean Tressel would come to WVU or mean that Gee would hire him

Not to mention that Tressell is 62 so he's a short term solution at best and hasn't coached in 5 years.

 

[mtneerinraleigh]

Don't know if you read the Gazette article but Gee seemed to be sending a message that if Dana doesn't win at least 4 of the last 5, we'll be getting a new coach.

With that said, I recently saw Dr. Gee at a University event and I knew better than to try to get him to comment on Dana. So I asked him a simple question and just looked for body language more than his words. I asked, "After Jim Tressel went through all he did at OSU, do you think he'd ever want to coach again?" His eyes lit up, he smiled and said, "I don't know. I think he enjoys leading apart from football. But I have great respect for him and think if he wanted to get back into coaching he'd be successful in whatever he wanted to do."

I don't want to read too much into that, but he sure didn't shoot down the idea.

Give me Dick Rod 100 times out of 100 if those are our two choices...

 

[WarezEER]

I'd be happy with Butch Jones. What offense does he run at Tenn? I want to return to the spread option, it ls good for WVU.

Would you be happy with either Lee Corso or Dr. Lou Holtz? What about the old ball coach............Spurrier? They may be old but I'll bet they can still go ............. if the money is right. Dr. Lou would have WV running the Veer!

 

[pressvirginia]

I just worry Lyons will botch Dana's replacement. So many quality openings this season. I could easily see Shane's first selections taken early then we scramble to make a hire and end up with a clown. At least Luck got the guy he actually wanted.

This RR/VT situation isn't helping.

I think Dana survives another year by pure default.

Babcock got Buzz to leave Marquette and Tuberville to leave TT. The dude can make a deal and when I saw Beamer went public with his retirement, I knew it wasn't random.

Lyons isn't in a good situation right now.

I agree with this. Maryland, Va Tech, Miami, South Carolina would all be competition for candidates -- and that's just in the eastern time zone. There's also Illinois, Minnesota and USC. If coaches are poached, then even more vacancies are snowballed open. Arguments could be made that many of those jobs are more attractive and easier to win at then at WVU.

You are right in Babcock's ability to hire. That's two big name coaches stepping down for new gigs. Marquette hoops > Hokie hoops. TT football as a P5 member > Cincy in the AAC.

The part of scrambling at the end is something to consider for sure and something of concern. They should be proactive now, quietly, out of the spotlight and behind the scenes (as Luck was during that fall when he courted Dana after that UConn loss).

What happens if WVU cannot outscore Mahomes & Texas Tech Saturday? What could a nasty loss at K-State amount to in the finale? Texas and Iowa State are 3-5. Kansas is 0-8. What quality wins are coming?? Assuming there are wins coming, are they enough to say the ship has been righted?