The Casteel Curtain
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Kind of shreds the defense (no pun intended) that the Dick made that he would have been successful at Michigan if only Casteel would have come to be the DC. Yeah that was all it was.
You know the WaterBoy ("Creamer") is burning up the phones to whoever will answer!
You know the WaterBoy ("Creamer") is burning up the phones to whoever will answer!
Great guy that loved WVU and the state. He had no place under Dana so he moved on. It makes zero sense to me why a few love to hate on him as if he's Rich.
yep. i first met him when he was dc at shepherd, jc would take time to show freshman (not just players and recruits) around the facilities. one of the nicest people you will ever meet. he did a great job at wvu too.
It's likely because a lot of fans thought "running off Casteel" was a big mistake for Dana. Jeff is turning out to be a bit of a fraud, as he has fielded some terrible defenses as of late.
I remember some of our fans calling him an elite DC.
Vernon,
I'm not hating on him. Amazes me he went to AZ to work for the Dick. I just never liked the bend but don't break defense that made every qb look like Peyton Manning or Warren Moon.
My shot was at the Dick. I hate that SOB. From the bottom of my heart I'm Always hoping the worst for him.
I'm not hating on him. Amazes me he went to AZ to work for the Dick. I just never liked the bend but don't break defense that made every qb look like Peyton Manning or Warren Moon.
My shot was at the Dick. I hate that SOB. From the bottom of my heart I'm Always hoping the worst for him.
some of our fans wanted to fire RR after his first season 3-8..we will never win with a staff full of former WVIAC coaches..
Loved West Virginia just didn't love coaching at WVU. Oh well we got a much better DC now so good riddance. Let him stay in the desert eating bacon wrapped hotdogs.
Hey! Don't knock those hotdogs. I lived in Tucson for nearly a decade and half, I still miss the hotdogs. Hotdogs Si'! Ricardo No!
Ditto that. He was a hell of a linebacker at Paden City HS on their last state title team in 79.
ASU had an average ranking of 13 in the pre-season polls...this was supposed to be their year.
Jeff is in no way despised, or even disliked. It is just that out of all the places he probably could have went to, he just had to follow Rodriquez to Arizona. And now Rodriquez is making him look bad because he is a lousy head coach. Jeff has absolutely not did the state of WV any harm whatsoever, and if there is ever an opportunity for him to come back, he would surely be welcomed! As far as Gibby goes, it does appear that his mentor taught him well. I do believe being able to run the Football makes a defensive coach look a whole lot smarter as it takes some of the pressure off.
I don't recall seeing one of these gems when Arizona beat Utah a week ago. I wonder how many BXII defenses have impressed yet again & given up 45+ points. Our own D has turned in some putrid numbers in a number of games in recent years. Not exactly something to brag & try to troll with.
it's still funny to me how injuries & depth are universal excuses, but excuses are only valid to some people in certain instances and with certain teams.
haven't been around here all that long but it's apparent there's a contingent who are here to try to press buttons and get a rise out of people while bringing little to nothing in terms of a discussion on WVU sports. just going to ignore moving forward. not my thing even though highly popular among many nowadays, especially the younger.
it's still funny to me how injuries & depth are universal excuses, but excuses are only valid to some people in certain instances and with certain teams.
haven't been around here all that long but it's apparent there's a contingent who are here to try to press buttons and get a rise out of people while bringing little to nothing in terms of a discussion on WVU sports. just going to ignore moving forward. not my thing even though highly popular among many nowadays, especially the younger.
I swear that WV fans would be willing to spend the rest of eternity comparing apples to oranges.......
Jeff Casteel did a fine job coaching a defense in the BE conference. But when trying to do the same here or in Arizona in big boy football leagues, especially the two considered "offensive minded", he suddenly comes up lacking. He is a good guy. But he's not the answer in the big boy leagues.
Jeff Casteel did a fine job coaching a defense in the BE conference. But when trying to do the same here or in Arizona in big boy football leagues, especially the two considered "offensive minded", he suddenly comes up lacking. He is a good guy. But he's not the answer in the big boy leagues.
I screwed up in my post - Casteel was not here in 2012 our first year in B12. My bad memory. But my point to a degree still holds water. He was successful in the BE, but hasn't shown much at all while at Zona, playing better teams week in and week out.
None of those games were won because of the defense. 28, 35, and 33 points not exactly stellar defensive performances.
Arizona's defense is ranked 113 this year and yards given up and 109 in points allowed. In 2014 their total defense was ranked 105. They are getting worse under Casteel not better.
Seem just like yesterday that some posters were blaming our inability to stop potent Big 12 offenses on the fact that Casteel was no longer at WVU. It should come as no surprise to anyone that those dominating Casteel's defenses in the Big East are unable to compete in a power conference. 113th ranking this year - ugh!
I bet those trolling Casteel cheered when his defenses were top 10 best in 2007 and 2010. Did you guys boo Bruce Irvin? Those who hate and shred the past should turn in their fan cards.
The Big East then was a BCS conference same as the rest of the majors. That relationship resulted in the three biggest wins in Mountaineer history over SEC champs, BXII champs and ACC champs.
Our D now ranks 54th in points allowed per game. Last year was 75th. Before that 100th and 117th. Nothing to get excited over & try to troll with. The 1st year without Casteel resulted in the worst WV defense in program history. It was the fatal reason we did not contend for the national championship.
The Big East then was a BCS conference same as the rest of the majors. That relationship resulted in the three biggest wins in Mountaineer history over SEC champs, BXII champs and ACC champs.
Our D now ranks 54th in points allowed per game. Last year was 75th. Before that 100th and 117th. Nothing to get excited over & try to troll with. The 1st year without Casteel resulted in the worst WV defense in program history. It was the fatal reason we did not contend for the national championship.
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Losing Casteel was the reason? No chance, that defense was going to get shredded even if D. LeBeau was the DC.
If Pat Miller is your starting CB in the Big 12, you're gonna have a bad time out there.
It means the defense. Thought that would be conveyed and understood. Weren't Pat Miller and others part of the 2011 defense who won their conference and beat the ACC champs? Did Miller get a pick vs Clemson in the Orange Bowl? Did he pick off South Fla & return it for a TD in a narrow road win to help get us to the Orange Bowl? Perhaps I forgot, but maybe not. Scrubs will be scrubs, according to some.
It was glaringly obvious to even casual observers in 2012. It equals the defense. That was the first season Casteel was gone. It (the defense) cost us legitimate contention for the 2012 national championship. That offense was stocked from years prior & coaches prior with record-setting pro talent & sadly it went to a 7-6 season because the D was the worst ever seen at WVU. Wish it wasn't the case but it is.
I'm glad after four years in this conference the D has finally shown some ability in instances. I hope it continues.
Again trolling the past doesn't justify the present. That's a big theme here & I don't buy in. Our D need turn in a lot greater numbers than 54, 75, 100 & 117 before people can't start pointing troll fingers at prior WV coaches. It's okay if you disagree though.
It was glaringly obvious to even casual observers in 2012. It equals the defense. That was the first season Casteel was gone. It (the defense) cost us legitimate contention for the 2012 national championship. That offense was stocked from years prior & coaches prior with record-setting pro talent & sadly it went to a 7-6 season because the D was the worst ever seen at WVU. Wish it wasn't the case but it is.
I'm glad after four years in this conference the D has finally shown some ability in instances. I hope it continues.
Again trolling the past doesn't justify the present. That's a big theme here & I don't buy in. Our D need turn in a lot greater numbers than 54, 75, 100 & 117 before people can't start pointing troll fingers at prior WV coaches. It's okay if you disagree though.
Seriously? Zona is playing with walk-ons at LB and non-starters at several other positions on D...the backup and 3rd string QB played that entire game and the D was on the field the entire game. The QB has been out much of the season....however from what I have read, Casteel has never used it as an excuse . Plus we don't win THREE BCS bowls without the CASTEEL CURTAIN and Zona doesn't get to he Fiesta Bowl or 4 straight bowls (school history) without him and the defense. So you see, my friend sometimes the stats are not the only thing you need to look at before drawing conclusions.
Oh my Lord! Moses smell the roses.
Really??
WVU put 14 pts vs TX Tech & K State. Defense was bad in 2012 but not what caused our O to stink vs 2 HOF coaches with a defensive mindset. Heck Syracuse beat us in the bowl game no one wanted to be at (including me) and the O only put up 14 pts..
Btw that 2011 defense finished the season ranked in the 50s at best if memory is right and had 3 guys drafted and 3 more free agents go to NFL camps. The 2012 D was a huge deficit for talent.
2010 D was pretty good statistically and the only reason that team was respectable.
Really??
WVU put 14 pts vs TX Tech & K State. Defense was bad in 2012 but not what caused our O to stink vs 2 HOF coaches with a defensive mindset. Heck Syracuse beat us in the bowl game no one wanted to be at (including me) and the O only put up 14 pts..
Btw that 2011 defense finished the season ranked in the 50s at best if memory is right and had 3 guys drafted and 3 more free agents go to NFL camps. The 2012 D was a huge deficit for talent.
2010 D was pretty good statistically and the only reason that team was respectable.
"Plus we don't win THREE BCS bowls without the CASTEEL CURTAIN "
brah................ that curtain almost gave away a 30 point 1st half lead to Georgia
average points per game given up in our 3 BCS wins = 33 points.......... offense won those games, boss.
Casteel is a "Bend.........keep bending........... and bend some more, and hope not to break" DC.... if he can't lean on a high-powered offense, he's useless.
Let's look at the record:
Casteel's 3-3-5 was excellent at WVU. Ranked high nationally, etc.
Gibson is doing a better job than Casteel because he added his own wrinkles and aggressiveness. Gibby takes more risks than Casteel.
Rich was excellent at WVU, double-digit victories seasons, on the cusp of playing for the national title.
Anything that happened later doesn't change that. Only hate tries to revise history.
Who wouldn't support ANY coach who brings WVU double-digit victory seasons?
But if logic were a requirement, there would be not sports forums, right?
M ighty defense throttled Georgia Southern, 44-0
O utstanding defense obliterated Liberty, 41-17
U nilaterally decimated Maryland, 45-6, on defense and offense
N oxious offense & special teams against Oklahoma, 44-24
T urnovers lose to Oklahoma State, 33-26 in OT despite impressive comeback from 15-point deficit.
A wesome Baylor too much, 62-38.
I ncinerated by TCU, 40-10. Way too many mistakes, penalties, dropped passes.
N ifty rushing, defense take down Texas Tech, 31-26
E xcellent turnovers by defense against Texas, 38-20
E rectile dysfunctioned Kansas, 49-0
R oll past Iowa State
S lap down Kansas State
Casteel's 3-3-5 was excellent at WVU. Ranked high nationally, etc.
Gibson is doing a better job than Casteel because he added his own wrinkles and aggressiveness. Gibby takes more risks than Casteel.
Rich was excellent at WVU, double-digit victories seasons, on the cusp of playing for the national title.
Anything that happened later doesn't change that. Only hate tries to revise history.
Who wouldn't support ANY coach who brings WVU double-digit victory seasons?
But if logic were a requirement, there would be not sports forums, right?
M ighty defense throttled Georgia Southern, 44-0
O utstanding defense obliterated Liberty, 41-17
U nilaterally decimated Maryland, 45-6, on defense and offense
N oxious offense & special teams against Oklahoma, 44-24
T urnovers lose to Oklahoma State, 33-26 in OT despite impressive comeback from 15-point deficit.
A wesome Baylor too much, 62-38.
I ncinerated by TCU, 40-10. Way too many mistakes, penalties, dropped passes.
N ifty rushing, defense take down Texas Tech, 31-26
E xcellent turnovers by defense against Texas, 38-20
E rectile dysfunctioned Kansas, 49-0
R oll past Iowa State
S lap down Kansas State
There were few defenses who could slow Pat White down, like Casteel's full game prevent, keeping our offense on the sideline for extended periods...
"Who wouldn't support ANY coach who brings WVU double-digit victory seasons? "
If Rod was that guy for WVU.......... he'd have been doing it at Arizona by now
And he DEFINITELY would have had the talent to do it at Michigan............
if he was that guy.......... which he is not.
RR was great at being the big fish in a tiny pond, once Miami, VT, and BC headed to the ACC.
If Rod was that guy for WVU.......... he'd have been doing it at Arizona by now
And he DEFINITELY would have had the talent to do it at Michigan............
if he was that guy.......... which he is not.
RR was great at being the big fish in a tiny pond, once Miami, VT, and BC headed to the ACC.
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