Texas is just a better team****
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HAHA....yeah, right. The fact that they had 6'10" future NBA players and future NBA guards didn't have anything to do with it.....right?
Then I would suggest we recruit a 6'10" future NBA player and future NBA guards. An excuse man we got it handed to us. If we play them again, they would beat us again.
Yeah, Huggs don't recruit those type of players. WVU or Texas....hmmm......which one would a 5* sure lock NBA guy choose???? Yeah, it's Huggs fault.
Fact is that you and others piss and moan after this loss and look for someone to blame. Coming in to the year, I felt we were a 22-24 win team and 10-8 in the Big 12. At this point, we look good to better those expectations, along with receiving a solid 4-6 seed in the NCAA tourney coming off a Sweet 16 season. But, by all means, continue doubting Huggs and blaming him for losses. If that makes you sleep better.
It wasn't coaching
or talent disparity
Or refs
We were down a combined 23 points from 2 guards being hurt and forced to start a guy who averages 8 minutes a game.....
A few more stops and we win... But we showed well
or talent disparity
Or refs
We were down a combined 23 points from 2 guards being hurt and forced to start a guy who averages 8 minutes a game.....
A few more stops and we win... But we showed well
Don't underestimate the impact Page getting hurt had on this team. I know how the game was going until he got hurt.
Texas was the better team tonight. But we were down two key scorers and they were like sharks smelling blood in the water after Page got hurt. We get them in the tournament, if, and only if we are healthy and can keep our players on the straight and narrow, I like our chances.
Tonight was not our night, although I was pleased at how we fought back at the end, although Texas's undisciplined play had a lot to do with it. It was not Texas's night earlier this year when they lost to TCU. It happens. Just seems like lately Texas has our number. And with the coach they have now, it is not going to get any easier in years to come beating the Longhorns. (Am I the only one that thinks the game fan environment in Austin seems tame compared to most Big XII venues?)
Texas was the better team tonight. But we were down two key scorers and they were like sharks smelling blood in the water after Page got hurt. We get them in the tournament, if, and only if we are healthy and can keep our players on the straight and narrow, I like our chances.
Tonight was not our night, although I was pleased at how we fought back at the end, although Texas's undisciplined play had a lot to do with it. It was not Texas's night earlier this year when they lost to TCU. It happens. Just seems like lately Texas has our number. And with the coach they have now, it is not going to get any easier in years to come beating the Longhorns. (Am I the only one that thinks the game fan environment in Austin seems tame compared to most Big XII venues?)
It wasn't coaching at all? Baloney. Once UT made adjustments this was practically the Florida game all over again. We watched an ineffective press get broken then watched two or three WVU guys chase the ball handler down the court for an open 3 dish or dunk.
Why does he continue to press when it doesn't work? They used it against us and as far as i'm concerned it cost us. This team is pretty deep and didn't get to where it's at in the standings because of just a few guys. And basically having lost 1 1/2 guys didn't cause WVU to be dominated from near the end of the first half to the rest of the game.
No one is going to be able to press everyone in every single game. Sometimes you just have to back off and try a different strategy. But all I saw was that same stubborn press with a few variations after it was too late.
And another thing I noticed was this constant looking to pound the ball inside when we were down 13 points. Gone seemed to be the creative half court offense we've seen this year at times where they pass it around and find anything they can get.
I love Huggs but I'd say coaching cost us at least a closer game. Once they took control well before the half we played catch up the entire game while pressing constantly. I just don't freakin get it.
So enlighten me. What was I missing? And you agree with that constant pres the entire night where it was ineffective? Because the announcers said so as well.
The ineffectiveness of the press was not an issue with coaching, nor was not getting out of it...
UT opened the game up by making some great shots....but WVU wasn't getting back into the game like it did by going to a more conservative defense....
Guys gotta start stepping up to the stage.... Paige, Phillip, and Adrian have done that.... Others like Carter and Ahmad aren't showing up when it counts.... Coaching didn't make those guys go 3-16 tonight. Coaching didn't make them get blown by at mid court and give up on plays... That was mostly due to exhaustion because the short bench
UT opened the game up by making some great shots....but WVU wasn't getting back into the game like it did by going to a more conservative defense....
Guys gotta start stepping up to the stage.... Paige, Phillip, and Adrian have done that.... Others like Carter and Ahmad aren't showing up when it counts.... Coaching didn't make those guys go 3-16 tonight. Coaching didn't make them get blown by at mid court and give up on plays... That was mostly due to exhaustion because the short bench
So, the press allowed them to hit all those 3's? The press allowed for our injuries? If you had ANY understanding of coaching or sports you'd realize it isn't as "easy" and apparent as you armchair coaches think. Fact is that if we stop pressing and doing our thing, we may get beat by 30 points. Teams like WVU can win a game in the final 2 minutes down by 10 points simply because they speed up the opponent and force them to make mistakes that they weren't making earlier (i.e. Texas Tech game).
Huggs has called off the press in other games. Why those games? Because it wasn't fitting the flow or the gameplan. Why didn't he this time? Perhaps because he thought it would eventually. But, I'm sure he'd love to hear your criticism of his decision. Call him up.
Thanks. I'm not saying go completely conservative on defense. But people talk all the time how the press wears the other team down but you can't tell me it doesn't have an effect on the team pressing as well. It's exhausting to chase guys around all day like that. That had to affect them as well, especially when it wasn't working. And it clearly wasn't. And as far as a short bench goes that game got out of hand before Paige got hurt.
I just thought if they backed off the press for a bit and make UT work for it in the half court instead of constantly playing catch up like they were. That had nothing to do with a short bench but more to do with UT having quick athletes who could break the press after one pass and they did it all night.
There's more than one way to play the game.
I don't give a rats ass you not liking me criticize Huggs. Tough $hit. And it's too bad you can't argue without ignorant sarcasm or points about basketball. And please save the lecture about understanding sports. I've been an athlete all my life but I guess when someone questions a coach he doesn't understand sports?
And yes, many of those open shots were due to chasing the broken press. They toyed with our defense once they got control of the game.
And you just said it yourself. Huggs had called off the press in other games but didn't in this one because he thought it would make a difference. Well, guess what? It didn't. That was my whole point. I would have liked to see some adjustments to UT's speed that was killing us up the court for most of the game.
I mean, god forbid if anyone should have an opinion over a sporting event. Good god, some of you act like these coaches are geniuses and beyond untouchable.
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We lost the game in the first half when we turned the ball over a number of times and did not score (that would be their defense) while they took advantage of those turnovers and erased our lead and then expanded it.
Hey ... if we're full strength we might win the game. If Jevon Carter shoots the ball better we might win. If Devin Williams doesn't turn the ball over we may win. If ....
They lined up and beat us. Just like they did in Morgantown. And probably like they would if we played them again.
Shaka can beat us at our own game and he has some players that are pretty darn good. He's just getting started.
We gotta win out and hope that Kansas stumbles.
Hey ... if we're full strength we might win the game. If Jevon Carter shoots the ball better we might win. If Devin Williams doesn't turn the ball over we may win. If ....
They lined up and beat us. Just like they did in Morgantown. And probably like they would if we played them again.
Shaka can beat us at our own game and he has some players that are pretty darn good. He's just getting started.
We gotta win out and hope that Kansas stumbles.
Very difficult to win any ball game, ( let alone on the road ) when your leading scorer does not score a single point and a starter does not even make the trip. I agree with an earlier point, it is way past time for some to become at LEAST a threat offensively.
What if Huggs calls off the press against Texas Tech early on? Well, we lose. He kept with it because HE thought it was the BEST way to get back in the game. That's all that matters. Your opinion doesn't.
Take the leading scorer off any team on the road vs a top 25 club & see what happens. Would OU survive tonight withouth Hield? Kansas without Ellis? I doubt it.
It's a marathon war & not the individual battles.
Stay the course. Use the press. It's what got us here. We've fought a critical suspension & injuries of late en route to a 20-6 mark & 2nd place in the best league. I'll take it.
OU is in for an all out battle Saturday if Paige returns to 100 percent.
It's a marathon war & not the individual battles.
Stay the course. Use the press. It's what got us here. We've fought a critical suspension & injuries of late en route to a 20-6 mark & 2nd place in the best league. I'll take it.
OU is in for an all out battle Saturday if Paige returns to 100 percent.
we had 35 rebounds to their 19...17 off boards to 4 for Texas..17 extra chances...needed to put the biscuit in the basket..this is going to be a tough year to fill out brackets..a 15 may finally take down a 1 seed.
Let's be realistic. It's the Big 12, toughest conference in America, and WVU is 1 game from the top.
Every team, including TCU, is a potential ambush. Game after game.
The 5 or 6 (I lost count) ranked Big 12 teams all have lost, 3 or more times in the Big 12 alone.
Win the Big 12, during the regular season or the tournament, and you have a special team. March Madness should be a cakewalk by contrast. WVU is projected as a 3 seed, so that makes it easier to win 6 in a row.
Take down Oklahoma on Saturday and all will be well again.
Every team, including TCU, is a potential ambush. Game after game.
The 5 or 6 (I lost count) ranked Big 12 teams all have lost, 3 or more times in the Big 12 alone.
Win the Big 12, during the regular season or the tournament, and you have a special team. March Madness should be a cakewalk by contrast. WVU is projected as a 3 seed, so that makes it easier to win 6 in a row.
Take down Oklahoma on Saturday and all will be well again.
TCU is not a potential ambush. Everyone else, yes, but TCU is just an all around bad team and program.
In short, we can't run our press with a bunch of 4's out there, which we forced to do a lot due to injury.
The bigger issue is that our big line-up should have owned the glass and we flat out didn't. We got outhustled, which is the root of most of our loses.
It seems like every year we have a team or two that just matches up well against us. Baylor was that team last year. Texas always seems to be that team. The theme of those teams...length and athleticism. If we play Texas again we would likely lose, just like Baylor got us 3 times last year.
Edit: Carter can't defend the point. That has been apparent all season and stuck out like a sore thumb last night.
The bigger issue is that our big line-up should have owned the glass and we flat out didn't. We got outhustled, which is the root of most of our loses.
It seems like every year we have a team or two that just matches up well against us. Baylor was that team last year. Texas always seems to be that team. The theme of those teams...length and athleticism. If we play Texas again we would likely lose, just like Baylor got us 3 times last year.
Edit: Carter can't defend the point. That has been apparent all season and stuck out like a sore thumb last night.
I know "if, if, if".....but I sure would have liked to see how we would be playing right now with the addition of Beetle....
I posted just that a couple weeks ago. I don't think he could defend his position as a true FR, but I do think he would have been a huge help running our offense and letting Carter play his natural 2 guard position.
It could always happen but it will be highly dependent on the 1 seed having the worst night of their life. In most cases a 16 seed isn't even capable of knocking off an 8 seed let alone one of the 4 best teams in the country. The only reason I even say it is possible is because it happened on the women's side where there is significantly less parity between the top teams and the bottom teams.
I think Carter is at the 1 out of necessity & immediate need. Bolden injury & Myers is still transitioning to this level. Miles is strictly a 2. I like what each guy can bring, but they need consistency. Carter no doubt thrived at the 2 off of Staten opening up so many things.
Phillip has all along been the PG & it started to show at the end of last season. He is very underrated & has shown as a legit scorer & good driver to go along with the defense. His recruiting wasn't hyped but in actuality he often delivers 5 star games. Same for Paige.
& every team seems to have another team that has its number. I think Kansas feels that way about WVU to an extent.
Phillip has all along been the PG & it started to show at the end of last season. He is very underrated & has shown as a legit scorer & good driver to go along with the defense. His recruiting wasn't hyped but in actuality he often delivers 5 star games. Same for Paige.
& every team seems to have another team that has its number. I think Kansas feels that way about WVU to an extent.
true, but it's possible that this year..three out of the four top seeds could have 5 or more losses..the top 10 is changing more than I can remember..
OK................was it coaching as WV won the 20 games this year? I suggest that it was! So, when WV loses a game it's coaching and only coaching. OK...........I got it. You folks need to listen to Kansas City (KC). He usually gets it right. WV is having a great season. Just enjoy it.
we may be having a great season, but we get all hyped up. We think were going to win the NC, when were winning. But last night, and the Florida game just shows we dont have it to win the NC. WE could make sweet 16, maybe even elite 8 but no more
Heck.................I am happy with the roundball team if they don't win another game this year. They already won 20 dadgum games and have been ranked very high for most of the season!
Every team has been and looked beatable from time to time this season.
My opinion no matter last night nor Florida is this team is certainly among those who could win the national championship. Will they? Who knows. Can they should things like suspensions and injury bounce our way? Yes.
Guard play, defense, getting to the foul line, match-up issue, good away from home, experience, battle-tested, Devin Williams, Phillip/Paige are a few chief reasons why.
My opinion no matter last night nor Florida is this team is certainly among those who could win the national championship. Will they? Who knows. Can they should things like suspensions and injury bounce our way? Yes.
Guard play, defense, getting to the foul line, match-up issue, good away from home, experience, battle-tested, Devin Williams, Phillip/Paige are a few chief reasons why.
Raffy..............that Chinese takeout eats good. I always order the dirty rice as does Dale Jr. Seriously, WV may or may not win the Big 12. They may or may not advance into the Sweet Sixteen and beyond. I am behind the team no matter the outcome.
That's just it Press, with a shorter bench than we're used to, why not back off the press? Keaton said something like if we back off the press last night we lose by 30. Really? What horse crap.
The fact is the team came out ready to play and on fire hitting shots then UT adjusted a bit and hit those five 3s that were wide open where we were caught scrambling trying to cover. They went from 18 points to 33 and changed the entire complexion of the game.
The press isn't going to work every single game and not only that it could actually work against us and it did with UF and UT. Almost the same type of loss.
That's extremely tiring to have to press the entire game, and especially when you're getting beat and constantly chasing the ball carrier up the court with multiple guys. In that instance, you're getting worn out while the other team is using only one guy to drive the ball up the court.
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