Does this make AD Shane Lyons a Low Information Fan or a (Low Info) as some call it??
So yeah, about that contract extension
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Makes him a smart negotiator who wants the best for WVU and not accepting the current "its ok to be so so" approach by the current HC.
It sends a clear message to Dana and his staff:
This isn't good enough.
The guy was at Alabama, so he knows what success looks like. This isn't it.
This isn't good enough.
The guy was at Alabama, so he knows what success looks like. This isn't it.
we aren't Alabama. And Lyons didn't exactly "run" Alabama either. He wasnt the AD.
Lyons will do what he feels is best. He has given DH one last opportunity to prove himself and the DH supporters should be grateful for that. If you want a guarantee then buy a toaster
No one has explained why Dana NEEDS an extension. Any extension given will be irrelevant to his status of employment because if the team tanks next year he's going to be fired, extension or not. Recruits and their parents aren't stupid, they know this.
One thing will resolve all of these issues, winning. A very good season in 2016 is all it will take. Holgorsen can't simply take another job, his resume' doesn't support his salary yet.
The coaching issue proves Lyons is out of his depth as a P5 AD. This wishy washy shit with DH is the worst thing the program can go through. He needed to be a man and make a decision. Either Fire DH at the end of the year or give him a contract extension. Anything in between (where we are now), hurts the program.
I personally believe Lyons wanted WVU to lose the bowl game so he could make a clean break with DH. Since he won, he is doing the next best thing to get rid of him. Tie his hands so his staff leaves without the ability to get quality replacements, and screw recruiting for the second year in a row. Lyons might not be a LIF, but he certainly is a stupid AD.
Then he should have fired him last year. Not giving DH an extension is only hurting the program now and in the future.
why does not extending him hurt the program? the only argument i see people make is to hold on to assistants and for recruiting. however, coaches and recruits are well aware that any extension dana gets isn't worth the paper it's written on. If we miss a bowl next year he's going to be gone, extension or not.
Says 2 things:
1. The AD is aware the state of WV is in a recession and can't be on the hook for buyouts like in the past. (Good on his part cause the finances in the State and the people in the state are not what they were say for the last 2-6 years.)
2. Negotiations are always still on going. (This is a given.)
A 3rd thing will be said in the future which is whether it was wise for Lyons to go public with the lack of negotiations and halting of negotiations. (The less said in public about private, the better according to Dale Carnegie).
1. The AD is aware the state of WV is in a recession and can't be on the hook for buyouts like in the past. (Good on his part cause the finances in the State and the people in the state are not what they were say for the last 2-6 years.)
2. Negotiations are always still on going. (This is a given.)
A 3rd thing will be said in the future which is whether it was wise for Lyons to go public with the lack of negotiations and halting of negotiations. (The less said in public about private, the better according to Dale Carnegie).
I don't think a 17 year old knows a whole lot, so I wouldn't be surprised if waving a 3 year contract in their face helped, but assistants know better and actually have access to the politics. It's just a leverage point, nothing more, imo.
You use what you have to get what you want.
Fact is that we don't know all the facts...did the promised money from donors for Dana buyout come too late? It was a very strange year in that there were so many job openings that were being filled before our season was even over which depleted the field of candidates that would have been on any search list. Sounds like it was better to spend a year in limbo than to make a knee jerk reaction on yet another head coach. I'm sure or at least I'm hoping that there are people doing their DD as we speak to find talent we can live and who will still be available if there happens to be another 5 to 8 team run on head coaches. Only thing obvious to me is that WVU wasn't going to throw any extra money at a mediocre head coach.
Or maybe the WVU Board and President figures it will cost less to let DH stay one more year and win 4 or 5 games and then let him go...than it is to pay him two years of his inflated salary. BTW: We owe this mess to OL...what a stupid contract for WVU to offer and sign!
For any success at all in 2016, starting with Spring practice the message to every player should be, "If you want a starting position, take it. You will get the chance, the better you perform the more reps you get." That goes for everyone from quarterback to cornerback, even the kickers and punters. No job should be safe, his isn't.
State budget has nothing to do with coach salaries beyond base pay which will always be a straightforward number (I.e. $250,000 or so). The rest has and always will be paid from donor funds.
I think the whole point of the matter is Lyons shouldn't have been so honest when asked and he should have refrained from comment. It should be a lesson learned I hope that he doesn't do again. That doesn't mean he isn't suited for the job or that he has some nefarious purpose, it only means he, like all of us, can't be perfect at his job.
Damn. coalcountry52, just when I start to think maybe you're irrational on some things, you post a gem of insightful wisdom.
I am for letting the DH tenure at WVU play out. The shiny shoes call me on occasion for advice but.....................seldom take action based on ole Warez's input.
Dana has had 4.5 years as head of the WVU football program. The full 4 years were in the Big 12 where WVU went 7-5, 4-8, 7-5, and 8-5. Some big wins against OSU and Baylor during that time, but embarrassing losses to ISU and KU. Not to mention getting crushed by 3+ scores by at least 2 teams in all but one of those seasons. Unless you are of the opinion that WVU cannot realistically aspire to better than the results of those 4 seasons or that you've seen evidence that WVU is moving toward a brighter future, the lack of a contract extension is not at all suprising. Sure, you can sell the program stability with an extension. However if you are not of the two opinions mentioned previously, you don't want to give up anything. Therefore, if DH wants an extension that requires any more of a financial commitment than is already in the current contract, it makes sense that they would not want to commit.
Bell tolls...actually you are giving DH too much credit by counting only last years bowl game victory. He has in the last four seasons gone 7-6, 4-8, 7-6 and 8-5...the won/loss definition of so-so. Lyons is so right in not caving in and rewarding this until this season plays out...or at least the first half does.
Actually I would say Dana is the smart one in this situation.....if he doesn't have a good year he was getting fired with or without the extension. This way he keeps his buyout if he gets fired. If he wins big the contract will get extended with more money than being offered now.....or he will have other options as a HC if he wants to leave. Again Dana is in the catbird seat. WVU/Lyons didn't get hurt by this....2016 is a make or break year....any extension WVU would have agreed too would have come with a buyout....more years less buyout, likely in the 2-3 million range...which is about what they will owe regardless. An extension never seemed likely to me.
Who knows if it was every really being considered....both parties talk about working on it....coaches tell recruits we are in talks no need to worry... then shortly after signing day word gets out (seemed to be strategically) that extension will not occur. DB coach jumps ship as well.....seems to me the message is clear DH and company need to really have a good season or they are out. AD Lyons knows just like everyone else that at least one round of recruiting will suffer if a change is made....can't be avoided.
I have never been embarrassed by the Mountaineers. OK, the Mountaineers sure have embarrassed Clemson, Oklahoma, Texas and a lot more of our opponents fans in the last few years. These are big time programs that the Mountaineers have whipped! I left out a few more big time wins so that you folks can fill in the blanks.
"at least one round of recruiting will suffer"...don't understand this red herring that keeps being brought up. if the team tanks in 2016 that will be the factor that hampers any recruiting....particularly if recruits see a coach that continually underwhelms. On the other hand, a new coach (assuming a good hire) could just as easily fire up possible recruits resulting in a great new recruiting class for WVU. DH hasn't had such a great track record recruiting anyway.
Wow. Now there is some positive spin in Holgorsen's direction. You act as if Dana is not asking for an extension and that it his choice not to have one. The truth is, we have a new AD that did not hire the head coach and he is not convinced he is the right guy to run his program for the long term. A contract extension is something that has to be earned and DH has not yet done that. Many have said that him not getting an extension hurts the program. Well, so does losing to Kansas and Iowa State.
With that said, I am hopeful that he will continue the improvement we saw in the bowl game this coming season. It is really up to him and after 5 seasons at the helm that is the way it should be. It will all go the way it is supposed to after this season.
lost to Kansas and Iowa state? Did you fall asleep for the last 2 years? We have slaughtered both of them 2 years in a row. Get a clue tru. Your agenda is getting old. Using your foolish logic, I guess WVU should've never extended Rodriguez after the 2006 season because he lost to Temple in 2001. Lol
It appears neither side got what they wanted but if Dana's buy out was a centerpiece of negotiations, as it was rumored to be, than Dana seemed to prevail. He kept what he wanted most.
Either way, this was Lyons first major task as AD and like everything else at WVU, it turned into a circus - that's on him.
It was a circus before he arrived at WVU and apparently, that's not going to change. As a Pitt troll, you're living every minute of it, no doubt.
Dana will get what he deserves at the end of this season. He has to perform this year to earn an extension, as it should be. The man that gets paid to make the decision says he did enough last year to get another year but not enough to deserve an extension. It seems to be a fair assessment to me. And I am really not sure what agenda you are talking about. Like I said, I am still hopeful things continue to head in the right direction after the bowl game and he gets the extension he is looking for.
Rootman, DH is a lame duck this year and will be a lame duck in 2017 and 2018 as well. You know you know he ain't going no where without a big bag of cash. WV ain't got no cash bag buyout out money! I know folks that are eating snowballs while DH eats steak and lobster as he sits up front in that Learjet..............watching that big screen HDTV with PIP. I must admit, I still have TorontoEERs take him those pickles...............for free!
I don't think he has the 2017 season. I think his contract expires in January 2017, but someone can correct me if i am wrong.
Pretty accurate assessment. Dana hasn't earned a Get Out of Jail Free card with his record at WVU so far. 10-3 with Bill's recruits. 7-6 with Geno, Tavon and Stedman, the best offense trio in WVU history. 4-8 season. 9-4 is heading in the right direction, but Bill had 3 of those in a row and got shoved out the door.
Why should Shane give Dana more rope than Bill got? Produce or get out of the way. That's the American way, right?
Or maybe just watch how Huggins does it. Line up 10 pit bulls and keep 'em coming non-stop. The football team could use that fire and tenacity. Maybe the two teams reflect the personalities of their coaches?
FWIW, Cody Clay saved him from likely losing to ASU by jumping on Howard's fumble deep in WVU territory. It was hardly a well called game.
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