1. WVU blows out Arizona State in the Cactus Bowl...
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2. Arizona State blows out WVU in the game?
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2. Arizona State blows out WVU in the game?
So, what happens with the current recruiting class if...
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1) Nothing. ASU sucks and we should win. It still sets up a "show me" season for Dana in 2016.
2) We will lose a few good recruits because the environment will be toxic for recruiting. Dana's head will be firmly placed in a noose, the assistants will either be updating their resumes or vying to be the next HC.
Unfortunately, we have nothing to win from this game and a lot to lose.
This is what happens when you crap the bed against an inferior team using a WR as a QB when you already have a significant lead. If we lose this game as well, that KSU game might become the game that turned Dana's career here.
2) We will lose a few good recruits because the environment will be toxic for recruiting. Dana's head will be firmly placed in a noose, the assistants will either be updating their resumes or vying to be the next HC.
Unfortunately, we have nothing to win from this game and a lot to lose.
This is what happens when you crap the bed against an inferior team using a WR as a QB when you already have a significant lead. If we lose this game as well, that KSU game might become the game that turned Dana's career here.
I remember WV playing for the mythical NC once upon a time. What did this do for recruiting the next year and for subsequent years. WV lost to Florida in a Top Tier bowl. What did this do for recruiting the next year and in subsequent years. Ole.............you say if only WV had won those games recruiting would have improved. Really? Is it that simple? If that's the case what did recruiting do after WV beat Clemson and then Oklahoma in Top Tier bowls?
there's an exclusive fraternity of teams who consistently rake in the top recruits in the country, and they aren't accepting pledges..
Well, they didn't have rankings the way we do now back in 1989, but the 1993 season would be the year the 1989 recruits were 5th year seniors and the 1993 team did OK.
We actually beat Oklahoma then Clemson. The Oklahoma win came with Rodriguez having bolted and the new staff having to scramble so that's not a typical example of what a major bowl can do for recruiting.
We actually beat Oklahoma then Clemson. The Oklahoma win came with Rodriguez having bolted and the new staff having to scramble so that's not a typical example of what a major bowl can do for recruiting.
So...............if Clemson wins the NC.................they are set for the next 5 years or so with respect to recruiting. In any case it looks like whatever team wins this years NC is set for quite a number of years. Ain't it funny that the same teams get in the NC hunt most every year? There's your clue. It ain't money. It ain't coaching. It's which ever team wins the last game. I ain't saying the LMD is wrong.
I listened to Greg Madia on his Speak of the Devil podcast link below. His recruiting comment was that the lack of a contract extension was a bigger impact. He also felt that ASU would win the bowl game. He no homer, that Greg.
I love our BCS wins, but winning a NC is a whole other matter. No way a NC doesn't ramp up our recruiting.
On the flip side, I believe that Nehlen would have been gone if we had won that game. He still had another decade of coaching in front of him and someone would have paid him handsomely to leave.
I probably should wait for the English translation to respond, but no, Clemson won't be set for the next 5 years even if it wins and Dabo stays. Schools at Clemson's level need an elite QB and an above average hit/miss ratio in recruiting to be a top 4 team. Bama might be the only school right now that can truly excel consistently with just above average QBs. A few other schools could reach that level, maybe, but Clemson isn't one of them.
I agree with you that money (once you are at least at the norm) is not the biggest factor in rising to the top in a given year. Clemson is not an elite school by a longshot in terms of revenue :
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150823/pc20/150829752
Over time though money (and tradition) are big advantages and the more times a school is near the top the more likely it is to win it all at least once. As I've said, we much like Clemson, would need virtually all the variables to align favorably in a given year to have a shot. If it happens, we will likely become stronger than our norm for a period of time to follow, but we won't be "set" if by that you mean capable of repeating without another great QB and a lot of luck.
I really don't get how some seem not to consider the miles of middle ground between where we are and where a school like Bama is. Just because we can't be Bama (or Oklahoma and a few other schools) doesn't mean we couldn't be much better than we are with a better coach and it makes no sense to resign ourselves to this depressing level of mediocrity just because we are unlikely to be the best. Just being good would be a refreshing change of pace at this point. Being very good when we aren't good would be something to shoot for.
I agree with you that money (once you are at least at the norm) is not the biggest factor in rising to the top in a given year. Clemson is not an elite school by a longshot in terms of revenue :
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150823/pc20/150829752
Over time though money (and tradition) are big advantages and the more times a school is near the top the more likely it is to win it all at least once. As I've said, we much like Clemson, would need virtually all the variables to align favorably in a given year to have a shot. If it happens, we will likely become stronger than our norm for a period of time to follow, but we won't be "set" if by that you mean capable of repeating without another great QB and a lot of luck.
I really don't get how some seem not to consider the miles of middle ground between where we are and where a school like Bama is. Just because we can't be Bama (or Oklahoma and a few other schools) doesn't mean we couldn't be much better than we are with a better coach and it makes no sense to resign ourselves to this depressing level of mediocrity just because we are unlikely to be the best. Just being good would be a refreshing change of pace at this point. Being very good when we aren't good would be something to shoot for.
I think that the overall lack of success is a bigger reason than either the outcome of a single game or lack of a contract extension...
All important points, Drifter. It also means mathematically that next year's team will be the redsirt senior class Holgorsen signed off his Orange Bowl win.
All Nehlen did with his recruiting class off the Fiesta Bowl appearance was go 11-1 in 1993 when they were redshirt seniors. Since Don was so "average" as a coach, though, Holgorsen ought to have no problem exceeding that in 2016.
Neither result changes anything really unless DH gets canned. Our recruits and their families are not likely to make a knee jerk reaction and switch the path of their son's football career based on the result of one game that their kid was not even a apart of. If anything overwhelmingly positive or negative happens after the game it likely isn't a result of what happened in the game but more likely the result of an oversigning somewhere else / a surprise coach retiring or firing somewhere else / a genuine change in heart.
Well, the 1988 team achieved more than the 2011 team by a very considerable margin. The bowl victory in 2011 was good but that was a 9-3 regular season team that lost twice to what I am told were very weak sisters in the Big East. Given that and that we play a tougher slate now, 8-4 would be a decent season in 2016.
Also we are not going to have many 5th year seniors from the 2012 class next year. It wasn't a terrible class but it was nothing special by our standards. I might miss one, but looking at the 2012 commit list on this site, I think only Brown, Harper, Kyeremeh, Lambert, Nwachukwu, Orlosky, Pankey and Walters will remain. Dillon, Rumph, Kinsey Joseph and Thompson graduate this year and Glowinski was a JUco. All the rest were lost along the way. Switching to the other thread's topic, 15 of that year's 29 commits did little to nothing and were no longer with us this year, so attrition is still just as big an issue as ever.
Also we are not going to have many 5th year seniors from the 2012 class next year. It wasn't a terrible class but it was nothing special by our standards. I might miss one, but looking at the 2012 commit list on this site, I think only Brown, Harper, Kyeremeh, Lambert, Nwachukwu, Orlosky, Pankey and Walters will remain. Dillon, Rumph, Kinsey Joseph and Thompson graduate this year and Glowinski was a JUco. All the rest were lost along the way. Switching to the other thread's topic, 15 of that year's 29 commits did little to nothing and were no longer with us this year, so attrition is still just as big an issue as ever.
the sos was started after BYU won the NC by beating an average Michigan team..the big boys don't want anyone else in..you can go back to the mid 60's and there's about 14 teams that have won every NC with just a couple of exceptions..Colorado and BYU come to mind..I think Colarado was a split.
