So, IF we were to finish 11-1 and look impressive in doing it...

[MountaineerWV]

....what would it take for us to get in to the Four team playoff?

1. Let's say Ohio State loses to Michigan....that would pretty much lock in Michigan and would assume Ohio State is out.

2. IF Washington were to lose, would that be enough for them to drop below us considering their schedule is MUCH weaker than ours?

3. Alabama is pretty much a lock, but if they were to beat Auburn that should eliminate them.

As of now, what I can see as two LOCKS are:

1. Alabama
2. Clemson

 

[coalcountry52]

Clemson would have to shit the bed in the most comical way and Louisville would need to be upset as well, but we aren't going 11-1.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Clemson would have to shit the bed in the most comical way and Louisville would need to be upset as well, but we aren't going 11-1.

We can definitely go 11-1. OU flirts with upset every week, Baylor was a pretender, Texas is name value only, ISU is like KU. We have the two most dangerous teams left at home. If we avoid the trap in Austin I think we go 11-1.

That said and I've maintained this all along, this team in a playoff game vs Bama would end very badly.

 

[coalcountry52]

We can definitely go 11-1. OU flirts with upset every week, Baylor was a pretender, Texas is name value only, ISU is like KU. We have the two most dangerous teams left at home. If we avoid the trap in Austin I think we go 11-1.

That said and I've maintained this all along, this team in a playoff game vs Bama would end very badly.

We absolutely COULD go 11-1. I just know we have at least one more loss on our schedule. The scary part is, it could be either on the road to Texas or ISU moreso than OU or Baylor at home. ISU has been flirting with big wins all season.

If we go 11-1 every coach on this staff deserves an extension.

 

[MountaineerWV]

We absolutely COULD go 11-1. I just know we have at least one more loss on our schedule. The scary part is, it could be either on the road to Texas or ISU moreso than OU or Baylor at home. ISU has been flirting with big wins all season.

If we go 11-1 every coach on this staff deserves an extension.

Ok, if we go 11-1 does this team deserve in the four team playoff then? (with some upsets, of course....like Washington going down)

 

[GoWVU]

You're totally wasting your time worrying about the playoff. Notice anything unusual about this article heading currently on the college-football page at ESPN?

...

College Football Playoff winners and losers by conference

The CFP contenders in the ACC and Big Ten all scored decisive victories on Saturday, while the SEC was hurt by Texas A&M's surprising loss.


...

"Winners and losers by conference" with no mention of the Pac-12 or Big 12. Washington was the biggest winner of the whole day yesterday and they don't even rate a mention in the headline or subheading?

In case anyone is still in denial about what a phony sham this thing has been from the start, let me be explicit: Don't waste your time waiting for Judge Smails to invite you to join Bushwood. It is most definitely snobs v. slobs and "some people simply don't belong."

The so-called "playoff" is nothing more than an invitational with 3 automatic bids every season--the SEC West winner, the Big Ten East winner, and the ACC Atlantic winner. The 4th spot is a random bone thrown at the whim of circumstance, and it's not going to be us if we're 11-1 unless there is simply nobody else they can reasonably take. In other words, forget about it.

 

[coalcountry52]

Ok, if we go 11-1 does this team deserve in the four team playoff then? (with some upsets, of course....like Washington going down)

I think I answered that above. We'd need both ACC teams in Louisville and Clemson to lose (again in Louisville's case). There's going to be an SEC team and a B1G team. Washington losing will likely push an Ohio State or SEC team into the 4-spot, but losing an ACC contender would have to put a 1-loss Big XII team in the mix. I'm not counting my chickens, because we would have to play otherworldly the next four games to win them all, and after we crapped the bed against Oklahoma State, I just don't think we avoid doing that again this season.

 

[Monroeer]

I think they (the playoff committee) have already shown the route for us. We would not only have to be 11-1 but everyone ahead of us at this time would have to have 3 losses. No chance.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

I think they (the playoff committee) have already shown the route for us. We would not only have to be 11-1 but everyone ahead of us at this time would have to have 3 losses. No chance.

So you don't think a 11-1 WVU that is the undisputed Big 12 champ would get in over 2-loss teams? Doesn't seem very kosher to me.
We'll know after Dec. 3 if the Mountaineers can do their part by rolling over Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa State and Baylor. Surely, that would impress the committee, particularly if there are only four teams with 1 or 0 losses. We can only hope. Maybe we should have Oliver Luck put pressure on the committee? Yes, I'm kidding and being sarcastic.



M anhandled Missouri, 26-11

O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21

U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32

N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16

T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17

A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10

I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37

N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21

E radicate Texas

E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma

R oll over Iowa State

S uffocate Baylor

 

[torontoeers]

A whole lot of football to be played yet...get outta Austin with a win and see what happens in the other big games next weekend...it can be done with some help of a few loses down the stretch on these top ranked teams...particularly Loo-Ville and (insert SEC team name here)...too many variables out there imo yet....

 

[HurdyGurdyEer]

I love the Mountaineers.
But I've seen nothing that makes me think this a Play Off team.

Yet I'm hoping for a very good season that ends with a fairly big bowl victory and a Top Ten ranking.
I think this is a realistic possibility.

But first things first ..... going to Texas and pulling out a win is going to be very, very difficult.
We could easily split our last four games. And if the ball bounces funny we could lose 3 of the last 4.

We ain't out of the woods yet.

 

[Monroeer]

So you don't think a 11-1 WVU that is the undisputed Big 12 champ would get in over 2-loss teams? Doesn't seem very kosher to me.
We'll know after Dec. 3 if the Mountaineers can do their part by rolling over Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa State and Baylor. Surely, that would impress the committee, particularly if there are only four teams with 1 or 0 losses. We can only hope. Maybe we should have Oliver Luck put pressure on the committee? Yes, I'm kidding and being sarcastic.

Just going by what I am seeing in the polls. The committee currently has 9 two loss teams ahead of us. Theoretically, if all of those teams won their games and so did we, do you actually think that they would jump us over them?

Lets wait and see what the committee does with Tex A&M's loss. The AP only dropped them 3 spots and the AP has been a lot kinder to us in the rankings than CPC has. (This being A&M's 2nd loss, this to a 3-5 team also.)

 

[MountaineerWV]

My question was just completely hypothetical, and I understand the "one game at a time" motto. Our chances of going 11-1 are slim, but you can't go 11-1 without being 7-1 first. So, why not discuss it?

Secondly, my point was also to show that the playoff system in place now is NO DIFFERENT than the BCS system that it replaced. If a team from a Power 5 conference goes 11-1, and wins the conference outright, and is left out over a team that did NOT win it's conference, then how can that be better than what we previously had?

 

[torontoeers]

My question was just completely hypothetical, and I understand the "one game at a time" motto. Our chances of going 11-1 are slim, but you can't go 11-1 without being 7-1 first. So, why not discuss it?

Secondly, my point was also to show that the playoff system in place now is NO DIFFERENT than the BCS system that it replaced. If a team from a Power 5 conference goes 11-1, and wins the conference outright, and is left out over a team that did NOT win it's conference, then how can that be better than what we previously had?

It's rigged!!! :wink:

 

[xWVU2010x]

Ok, if we go 11-1 does this team deserve in the four team playoff then? (with some upsets, of course....like Washington going down)

I dont think we deserve it if we go 11-1 given the current landscape. Now if something like this happened, OSU takes L #2 to Michigan, UL takes another L, Washington loses 2, OK State loses another so they dont steal the Big XII championship from us. Then I think we have a case but we do not deserve consideration over other 1 loss teams from the P5. But again, does getting destroyed on a national stage like Michigan State last year do any good for this program? If the scenario above plays out, of course I want WVU in, but Im not going to flip out if we dont get in. The Big XII is admittedly weak this year, its very reminiscent of the old Big East in a lot of ways this season, alot of decent teams, no true heavyweight. And before anyone goes there, sure we were able to spring big bowl game upsets over top 10ish type teams like UGA, OU, and Clemson (Clemson was actually barely a top 25 team that year), all of which were great moments, but they were not against undisputed best teams in the country like Bama who would wear down our finesse D and dominate our spread run attack. If we get in and play Bama we will deservedly be a 21+ point dog.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

We needed to go undefeated to make the playoff, WVU does not have the cache to get in over other P5 teams with similar records. Louisville has a shot because of L. Jackson.

Besides if this team made the playoffs it would not be pretty, particularly if we faced Bama. I'd be more than happy with a Cotton/Alamo Bowl game.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

So you don't think a 11-1 WVU that is the undisputed Big 12 champ would get in over 2-loss teams?

I don't think it's the 2-loss teams that would stand in our way, but there is probably another 1-loss team that the committee would put above WVU. Maybe U of L if they win out and definitely tOSU if they win out. tOSU would have the "tie-breaker" (in the committee's mind over U of L) in the B1G and if the only other undefeated teams are SEC Champ Alabama, ACC Champ Clemson, PAC 12 Champ Washington a 1-loss B1G Champ tOSU will get the nod over 1-loss Big Xii Champ WVU. Depends, let's see what happens!

 

[xWVU2010x]

We needed to go undefeated to make the playoff, WVU does not have the cache to get in over other P5 teams with similar records. Louisville has a shot because of L. Jackson.

Besides if this team made the playoffs it would not be pretty, particularly if we faced Bama. I'd be more than happy with a Cotton/Alamo Bowl game.

I agree except about the "cache" comment. Its not a question of name value, we are legitimately in the 5th P5 league this year. Its not a debate, it was proven in OOC. Bad call or not, one of our potential champions lost to a .500 MAC team at home. Another lost to an AAC team that is probably not going to win that conference. The other two in contention, Baylor and WVU, didnt give themselves a major test OOC. Unacceptable and the Big XII deserves to get crapped on as a result. We do not deserve favors and therefore unlikely to get any. We needed to go undefeated.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I dont think we deserve it if we go 11-1 given the current landscape. Now if something like this happened, OSU takes L #2 to Michigan, UL takes another L, Washington loses 2, OK State loses another so they dont steal the Big XII championship from us. Then I think we have a case but we do not deserve consideration over other 1 loss teams from the P5. But again, does getting destroyed on a national stage like Michigan State last year do any good for this program? If the scenario above plays out, of course I want WVU in, but Im not going to flip out if we dont get in. The Big XII is admittedly weak this year, its very reminiscent of the old Big East in a lot of ways this season, alot of decent teams, no true heavyweight. And before anyone goes there, sure we were able to spring big bowl game upsets over top 10ish type teams like UGA, OU, and Clemson (Clemson was actually barely a top 25 team that year), all of which were great moments, but they were not against undisputed best teams in the country like Bama who would wear down our finesse D and dominate our spread run attack. If we get in and play Bama we will deservedly be a 21+ point dog.

So, if Washington loses once that's not enough? Their schedule SUCKS. I don't see how they are any different than us.....

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

So, if Washington loses once that's not enough? Their schedule SUCKS. I don't see how they are any different than us.....

They have a MUCH better QB than we do...and they have one of the best coaches in the business. I would not like our chances against Wash.

WVU needs a QB - Skyler isn't terrible but he's is not the guy to have us take the next step forward as a program. Hopefully next year we get that with Grier.

 

[xWVU2010x]

So, if Washington loses once that's not enough? Their schedule SUCKS. I don't see how they are any different than us.....

PAC is better than the XII, fact, they will also have an extra win in the PAC championship.

 

[GoWVU]

So, if Washington loses once that's not enough? Their schedule SUCKS. I don't see how they are any different than us.....

Their schedule so far has sucked, but their closing schedule is more difficult than ours or almost anybody else's. If they finish 12-1, the Huskies will have earned it. Plus, there's what 2010 said above about the Pac-12 being better than the Big 12.

 

[coalcountry52]

PAC is better than the XII, fact, they will also have an extra win in the PAC championship.

Please back that statement up with facts. Utah and WVU are neck and neck almost with Washington being slightly better. Who else is worth a damn in the PAC? Wazzu will need to beat Washington for me to be impressed with them.

 

[OlegeezEER]

Please back that statement up with facts. Utah and WVU are neck and neck almost with Washington being slightly better. Who else is worth a damn in the PAC? Wazzu will need to beat Washington for me to be impressed with them.

You have to remember the Pac 12 is 3-0 against the big 12 in head to head play this year. It would be hard to make the case that the Big 12 is better.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Please back that statement up with facts. Utah and WVU are neck and neck almost with Washington being slightly better. Who else is worth a damn in the PAC? Wazzu will need to beat Washington for me to be impressed with them.

USC and Colorado.

 

[xWVU2010x]

Please back that statement up with facts. Utah and WVU are neck and neck almost with Washington being slightly better. Who else is worth a damn in the PAC? Wazzu will need to beat Washington for me to be impressed with them.

RPI and FPI point to PAC as the #4 conference. 24-10 (71%) OOC record vs 19-11 (63%) for the Big XII. And SOS does not do us any favors as the PAC 3rd in SOS while the Big XII comes in 7th.

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Wazzou and Stanford aren't bad either. Even Cal was able to beat Texas.

 

[Mtneer001]

I think the SEC Winner (Alabama or Auburn) and the B1G Champ (Mich vs. Ohio State) are definitely locks.

I agree that there are 2 spots for the final 3 Power Conferences.

I don't think a 1 loss ACC champ gets in. Their strength of schedule is terrible. Basically need Louisville to lose to Houston, Clemson to lose to USC and Washington to lose.

But I agree with the above posters. Alabama and Michigan/Ohio State would beat us pretty badly.

 

[writeon]

Sounds to me as if the College Football Playoff system was set by Hillary.

 

[WVU-SE]

If it's me and 5 buddies just trying to put the best four teams in the country in the final four. With a straight face I couldn't make a good enough argument that we would deserve to be in. If Oklahoma was better (didn't get destroyed by OSU at home) and if Baylor was for real I think I could make an argument.

Not the case on either though.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The fix is in. Don't worry about it.

 

[Rootmaster]

Maybe we should worry about the Texas game this week .lol

 

[JIMEER86]

I think they (the playoff committee) have already shown the route for us. We would not only have to be 11-1 but everyone ahead of us at this time would have to have 3 losses. No chance.

I hope we go 11-1 (and OK St loses again) cause I am telling you we will be in over the 2 loss teams. What everyone is forgetting is that the playoff rankings (just like last year and the year before) are not giving any weight to conference champions YET because nobody is a conference champ yet. They will reflect that bonus for being conference champ in the final rankings (just like last year and the year before). They are following the directives laid down for them.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I hope we go 11-1 (and OK St loses again) cause I am telling you we will be in over the 2 loss teams. What everyone is forgetting is that the playoff rankings (just like last year and the year before) are not giving any weight to conference champions YET because nobody is a conference champ yet. They will reflect that bonus for being conference champ in the final rankings (just like last year and the year before). They are following the directives laid down for them.

Yep. A 1-loss Big 12 champion would get in above a 1-loss Michigan, that is if Michigan's loss is to Ohio State and the Buckeyes win the Big 10 and Michigan does not.

Clemson should go 13-0......Alabama will be tested against Auburn, but they should win (their true test was LSU, and they survived). Washington has USC and Washington State left, both are possible losses.

I'm not looking ahead thinking it's going to be easy or expected.....I'm looking ahead at the possibilities if we win out.....

 

[GetYaNumbersUp]

Yep. A 1-loss Big 12 champion would get in above a 1-loss Michigan, that is if Michigan's loss is to Ohio State and the Buckeyes win the Big 10 and Michigan does not.

Michigan gets in every time in that scenario.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Michigan gets in every time in that scenario.

But, how? They would not be a conference champ. And the committee has stated numerous times that being an outright champion in your conference is one of their top criteria. So, a 11-1 WVU champ of the Big 12 would be, in the committee's own criteria, put above an 11-1 Michigan who didn't win their conference. If they don't do that, then this system is flawed beyond repair....

 

[GoWVU]

But, how? They would not be a conference champ.

That doesn't matter, it's just a smokescreen to sell the appearance of legitimacy to the gullible. (Traditional power "name" school making a long-awaited return to glory with their sideshow coach) v. (Non-traditional power no-name school from an anonymous state with no cities)...gee, how do you think that "decision" is going to go?

If they don't do that, then this system is flawed beyond repair....

Now you're catching on! As some of us warned, any hope that a playoff was going to "solve" everything was naive from the start.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers]

What the hell, I'll weigh in again.

Everything I've read so far is opinion. No facts. No proof. By anyone, including me.

There'll be no doubt who is the Big 12 champ because every team plays all the other teams.

But trying to decide whether a 1-loss West Virginia is better or worse than a 1-loss Clemson or Washington or Ohio State or Michigan is impossible.

Alabama is in a class by itself, probably because a former Monongah QB with an obsession for every detail is running the show. And because the Tide has a defense that has scored more points than most of the running backs on Power 5 teams.

About the only thing I know for sure is that, if Alabama finishes undefeated, it may be the only Power 5 team in the country to accomplish that feat. History tells us that. 1 undefeated team after the regular season is the 10-year average. Why does anyone think there will be 2 or 3 this year?

So the Group of One Loss teams will be in the pool for the other 3 spots, and being the undisputed conference champ WILL be a leg up.

As for getting creamed by Alabama, I'd rather be in the Football Final Four, even if my alma mater loses badly, than in another bowl so that WVU can win its bowl game.

Wanting the easy way out is for pansies, not for Mountaineers. Anyone who thinks that way has less respect for my alma mater than I do. Tony Gibson's defense can hang with any team not named Alabama, and it would be interesting to see what it could do against the Tide.


M anhandled Missouri, 26-11

O rdinary against Youngstown, 38-21

U nnerving miracle goalline tip/interception escapes BYU, 35-32

N o quit against Kansas State, 17-16

T ony’s turbulence tore up Texas Tech, 48-17

A nother defense whipping, of TCU, 34-10

I gnominy of turnovers against Oklahoma State, 20-37

N o problem decimating Kansas, 48-21

E radicate Texas

E rectile dysfunction Oklahoma

R oll over Iowa State

S uffocate Baylor

 

[WVUALLEN]

....what would it take for us to get in to the Four team playoff?

1. Let's say Ohio State loses to Michigan....that would pretty much lock in Michigan and would assume Ohio State is out.

2. IF Washington were to lose, would that be enough for them to drop below us considering their schedule is MUCH weaker than ours?

3. Alabama is pretty much a lock, but if they were to beat Auburn that should eliminate them.

As of now, what I can see as two LOCKS are:

1. Alabama
2. Clemson

It would take the top 7 teams losing games so WVU would have a shot. If that doesn't happen WVU finishes 8th at best.