Senator Mike Woelfel thinks the Marshall series with WVU is over unless politicians save it.

[countryroads89]

No reason to stop that or move it away from the capital city either.

Here's a simple question for you. It's not a trick question. Don't overthink it. (I'm using short sentences for you). Under which scenario is more revenue generated for the state?
1) Marshall plays WVU
2) Marshall plays someone at home or in Charleston and WVU plays someone at home or in Charleston (and those someones aren't the same teams).

I'll give you a hint. Under scenario 2, more revenue is not only generated for the state, but more revenue is generated for each school, Marshall and WVU. OK, well maybe not more revenue for Marshall since the team they play won't draw as many fans.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Its a nice matchup of two state teams for the taxpayers, politicians, sportsfans, etc. of the state. It provides a nice contest for the capital city which otherwise can't provide a venue for the two major institutions of the state. Always on tv, sometimes on national tv which brings exposure to the state. People go, spend money, both teams get exposure (and undoubtedly money). No matter the records, this has at times been competitive and no matter the records it hasn't hurt the post season opportunities of anyone as evidenced by WVU's runs into the NCAA tournament such as last years despite playing a very down MU team.

There are no reasons to not play the game.

Now my retort.............. WVU is not in the business of considering what is best for Marshall University, so that whole "good exposure for both teams" is moot. Not our problem.... and the "exposure" argument for WVU Basketball is laughable as well, as our very next home game after the Classic ---- EKU ---- was ALSO televised on the same station, ESPNU....... Just like any replacement game for the Classic would as well, or would be on Root...... the usual Go-To for the Classic. TV Coverage is a BS argument

"It's a nice matchup"................... Bull shit. That's a BS, sunshine and rainbows opinion. Reality says it's a top 25 program playing an RPI 200+ team away from their home court............... something that DOESN'T HAPPEN in college basketball anywhere else but WV.......... because, well, WV doesn't do anything correctly.

"It provides a nice contest for the Capital City" ............ Huggins brought a great contest to the Capital City in November in the form of top 100 program James Madison........ and the locals failed to show up. Huggs wanted to bring the UVA series to Charleston, but after the poor showing of JMU, and last season's game with VMI........ that isn't happening. By the attendance numbers, Charleston doesn't DESERVE it.

"People Go, Spend Money".............. People go, spend money at home games too, and we don't have to split the take with an undeserving opponent............ Honestly. Don't even approach the financial side of this debate because your stance will get buried......... Just ignore that money exists, like Hamrick is doing.

"It hasn't hurt the postseason" ............ anytime WVU has lost to MU in the past..... back when we had a coach who would lose to them with regularity.......... the game was ALWAYS held as a "Bad Loss" in the eyes of the committee.

"As evidenced by WVU's runs"......... so now we're giving credit to the game for preparing WVU for the post season?

Our Athletic Department is self-sustaining.................. what the tax payers "want"........ which most don't want this game............ doesn't factor into what our AD does............ if we were talking computer labs, new dorms, or something on the academic side? Sure........ but our AD doesn't lean on tax dollars (unlike the other side of the equation in this game)...

It's a walfare mentality to say "the people of WV deserve this"..........

College athletics exist for one reason and one reason ONLY......... production of revenue. WVU must do what is best for WVU's bottom line. Period.

 

[dolemitebmf]

Its a nice matchup of two state teams for the taxpayers, politicians, sportsfans, etc. of the state. It provides a nice contest for the capital city which otherwise can't provide a venue for the two major institutions of the state. Always on tv, sometimes on national tv which brings exposure to the state. People go, spend money, both teams get exposure (and undoubtedly money). No matter the records, this has at times been competitive and no matter the records it hasn't hurt the post season opportunities of anyone as evidenced by WVU's runs into the NCAA tournament such as last years despite playing a very down MU team.

There are no reasons to not play the game.

Like Keatons said...

Says "no reason"

ignores all the reasons....

 

[wvpaper]

this much hoopla over a neutral court in-state game is not a good look

 

[TexasforevEER]

this much hoopla over a neutral court in-state game is not a good look

Would you rather see the game played in Charleston or Morgantown? Be specific with your answer.

 

[Buckaineer]

When WVU plays Marshall in Charleston, they make money and undoubtedly some businesspeople in Charleston make money. Do those people look at that money and say- gosh, I wish this money would have come from somewhere else? Of course not, they just put it in the bank. That game has been well attended for years so it's undoubtedly making some money.

It doesn't stop WVU from making money playing other teams in Charleston or elsewhere. They have done that multiple times. It doesn't stop them from getting any exposure, and gives them more exposure regionally and nationally than several of the games they play. No problem there. It doesn't stop WVU from advancing as far into the NCAA post season as they are capable of-- they've been able to do so many times in the past decade while still having a game with Marshall.

The idea that WVU is some private sports entity that can do whatever it wants is not well thought out. The school gets subsidies to the tune of millions from the state each and every year just for athletics alone, and the university would not exist without massive funding from the state.

Again, it's one game per year, bringing a contest many enjoy in person or on tv to the capital city. It's not "welfare" for either side of the equation, it's an enjoyable contest for sports fans in wv.

 

[Buckaineer]

Like Keatons said...

Says "no reason"

ignores all the reasons....

Manufactured silliness does not equate to valid reasons.

 

[dolemitebmf]

When WVU plays Marshall in Charleston, they make money and undoubtedly some businesspeople in Charleston make money. Do those people look at that money and say- gosh, I wish this money would have come from somewhere else? Of course not, they just put it in the bank. That game has been well attended for years so it's undoubtedly making some money.

It doesn't stop WVU from making money playing other teams in Charleston or elsewhere. They have done that multiple times. It doesn't stop them from getting any exposure, and gives them more exposure regionally and nationally than several of the games they play. No problem there. It doesn't stop WVU from advancing as far into the NCAA post season as they are capable of-- they've been able to do so many times in the past decade while still having a game with Marshall.

The idea that WVU is some private sports entity that can do whatever it wants is not well thought out. The school gets subsidies to the tune of millions from the state each and every year just for athletics alone, and the university would not exist without massive funding from the state.

Again, it's one game per year, bringing a contest many enjoy in person or on tv to the capital city. It's not "welfare" for either side of the equation, it's an enjoyable contest for sports fans in wv.

Well, if pathological lying is all you can do, then arguing with you is pointless...

 

[Darth_VadEER]

When WVU plays Marshall in Charleston, they make money and undoubtedly some businesspeople in Charleston make money. Do those people look at that money and say- gosh, I wish this money would have come from somewhere else? Of course not, they just put it in the bank. That game has been well attended for years so it's undoubtedly making some money.

It doesn't stop WVU from making money playing other teams in Charleston or elsewhere. They have done that multiple times. It doesn't stop them from getting any exposure, and gives them more exposure regionally and nationally than several of the games they play. No problem there. It doesn't stop WVU from advancing as far into the NCAA post season as they are capable of-- they've been able to do so many times in the past decade while still having a game with Marshall.

The idea that WVU is some private sports entity that can do whatever it wants is not well thought out. The school gets subsidies to the tune of millions from the state each and every year just for athletics alone, and the university would not exist without massive funding from the state.

Again, it's one game per year, bringing a contest many enjoy in person or on tv to the capital city. It's not "welfare" for either side of the equation, it's an enjoyable contest for sports fans in wv.

Time to give it a rest Marshall troll, it's over.

 

[dolemitebmf]

Well, if pathological lying is all you can do, then arguing with you is pointless...

Also, Buckaiturd, try to learn basic math and economics. Then, you may not have to rely upon pathological lying...

 

[Aug]

Great, and I sent Manchin a email, telling him to get his head out of his butt, and do something about the millions of dollars in bonuses the corrupt Veteran's Administration give there higher up's, denying our the Veterans health care they deserve, and not a basketball game that means nothing....

 

[Buckaineer]

It's simply amazing to see the 100% irrational childishness that some exhibit over a single basketball contest.

There hasn't been any official announcements over this events future, so for those ready to slit their firstborns throat over the game, it's a bit too early to declare something "over".

As to all the rest of the gibberish spewed towards me for pointing out some facts about this athletic contest - what you've spewed probably applies to you- look in the mirror.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

It's simply amazing to see the 100% irrational childishness that some exhibit over a single basketball contest.

There hasn't been any official announcements over this events future, so for those ready to slit their firstborns throat over the game, it's a bit too early to declare something "over".

As to all the rest of the gibberish spewed towards me for pointing out some facts about this athletic contest - what you've spewed probably applies to you- look in the mirror.

It seems very official that you're more interested in the best interests of your beloved Marshall University, and not WVU.

Your trolling has been exposed, sorry Buck - can't hide any longer.

 

[Buckaineer]

Great, and I sent Manchin a email, telling him to get his head out of his butt, and do something about the millions of dollars in bonuses the corrupt Veteran's Administration give there higher up's, denying our the Veterans health care they deserve, and not a basketball game that means nothing....

Guessing politicians normally multitask, whether they accomplish anything with all the do nothing people out there is another matter. It's not a matter of one or the other, although one probably takes a few minutes to accomplish and the other an endless amount of time since it involves the entire nation and opposition- not just one basketball game.

Seeing that some put the two issues on the same level illustrates a critical thinking problem.

 

[Buckaineer]

It seems very official that you're more interested in the best interests of your beloved Marshall University, and not WVU.

Your trolling has been exposed, sorry Buck - can't hide any longer.

Pointing out facts to blow up irrational spewing doesn't make me a troll or anything else.

The Capital Classic benefits the sports fans and taxpayers in WV, it doesn't affect the " best interests" of Marshall anymore than the "best interest" of WVU. That is an example of the silliness of your rants. It's a simple game- a sporting contest between two state schools for enjoyment of the people of the state. Its not a life ending war.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

Someone doesn't know what a fact is....


Sorry WVU stole your Koolaid, Buck



Now huddle in the corner and repeat "it's good for the state.....it's good for the state"

 

[Buckaineer]

I certainly know what isn't a fact:

I'm a troll

I'm not a WVU fan

WVU is harmed by playing Marshall

Some of you need to come out of your mommies basement and grow up.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

It is a fact that the game's contract is over

It is a fact that the game unfairly took between 80,000-100,000 dollars out of WVU's pocket

It is a fact that MU brings less than 20% of fans to the venue and leaves with 50% of the take

It is a fact that the Classic is the ONLY P5 vs RPI 200+ matchup on a neutral floor with a 50/50 financial split in college basketball

It is a fact that WVU does not want to play this game

It is a fact that all opponents of equal-standing in CBB play WVU at home, and ONLY at home.....

It is a fact that if these two teams were to play 2 separate games in Charleston, the city would be more benefitted, both financially and qualitatively

It is a fact that WVU is not responsible for making sure MU gets "coverage"

It is a fact that WVU's coverage by the media is no better for this game than any other OOC game, as all our games are either on ROOT or the ESPN family.....just like the Classic(except when it was only on local TV)

It is a fact that, since Huggins arrived, WVU averages over 10,000 fans per game in Charleston against teams not named Marshall.... While averaging under 12,000 fans (and half that money) against Marshall in Charleston...

Those.are.facts

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I certainly know what isn't a fact:

I'm a troll

I'm not a WVU fan

WVU is harmed by playing Marshall

Some of you need to come out of your mommies basement and grow up.

LOL - Right. Why a guy decides to spend his free time defending Marshall and politicians (great personal causes, Buck), isn't really my business but right now you sure look and walk like a duck - so I'll call you on it.

None of your "it's good for sports fans" arguments stick, because as you know WVU fans don't want the game. Keep trying, Buck - but you've been exposed.

I know you went to Marshall, no need to hide it any longer.

 

[Papillion]

The Capitol Classic should now turn into what would REALLY be good for the state and play back to back games.


3pm: Directional State vs. Marshall

(Break)

8pm: Western Carolina vs. WVU

Both schools keep 100% of their tickets. Fans leave one game, go spend money at local shops and restaurants and then come back for the 2nd game.

That's actually not a bad idea. I would like to see some kind of 4-team holiday tourney held in Charleston. WVU and Marshall would two of them every year. And the winners play each other. So if Marshall wants to play WVU they have to win their first game.

Honestly though, there really is no excuse for WVU to not play Marshall in basketball every year. Football I can understand but WVU has always played one or two schools who's RPI is as bad or worse than Marshalls.

I'll get slammed for this but as far as basketball goes, WVU is coming off a bit petty in not wanting to continue the BB series.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

You're right. There is no excuse


Just many valid reasons and general good business sense

 

[xgunnx]

buckineer your state subsidy argument is weak. Approximately only 5% of WVU's Athetic Departments funding comes in the form of State Subsidy. While 50% of Marshall's Athletic Department budget is paid for by State Subsidy.

 

[KeatonsCorner]

And that 5% is gone with the increase of B12 share

 

[Wolf J. Flywheel]

LOL - Right. Why a guy decides to spend his free time defending Marshall and politicians (great personal causes, Buck), isn't really my business but right now you sure look and walk like a duck - so I'll call you on it.

None of your "it's good for sports fans" arguments stick, because as you know WVU fans don't want the game. Keep trying, Buck - but you've been exposed.

I know you went to Marshall, no need to hide it any longer.

This Buckaineer bozo has been riding Marshall's d*ck for years. After years away from the free forum, I was stunned to log on to this cesspool yesterday and find out that he was still posting the same rhetoric that is best described as flotsam. Good lord, if anybody needs to get a life it's this moron. He's as much a WVU loyalist as I'm Steven Spielberg's favorite key grip.

 

[dolemitebmf]

It's simply amazing to see the 100% irrational childishness that some exhibit over a single basketball contest.

There hasn't been any official announcements over this events future, so for those ready to slit their firstborns throat over the game, it's a bit too early to declare something "over".

As to all the rest of the gibberish spewed towards me for pointing out some facts about this athletic contest - what you've spewed probably applies to you- look in the mirror.

There is a difference between a lie, an opinion, and a fact. Perhaps you should learn the difference...