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Hypothetically speaking, what do you think our average recruiting ranking could be from an annual realistic goal perspective? More over, what would it have to be in order for us to more consistently hit our on-the-field performance expectations/goals? Granted rankings dont always equate to wins, as determining outcome is multifactorial, but history shows us you need a certain level of blue chip talent to consistently compete at higher levels.

1. If NIL is used to attract 6-8 high-end blue chip talent for every class
2. Staff continues to be detailed and thoughtful in their recruiting
3. On field performance improves

Over the next 5 years, what would be a realistic goal to have our class rank?
Obviously on the field performance is equally about talent evaluation, recruiting the right players, hard nosed culture, and detailed + adaptive schemes.

However coaches need a certain level of talent to work with in order to perform, even if the schemes are great, jimmys and joes have to be able to execute.

I was adding up the number of "bluebloods" which are organically better positioned than WVU, but if all these factors would come together, after each class has finished signing in Feb, I believe a realistic goal would be for WVU to have a class ranking(averaged among the major rating sites) to be in the 19-24 range.

If we can obtain a 3 years average in the 19-24 range, along with quality coaching, player dev, and talent evals, that should be enough "Base Talent" for us to compete for Big12 Title. I mean, look at Cinci, they have accomplished a lot without high recruiting rankings.

If we understand we cant give $1m to a single player for NIL, but we can come up with enough funds to get 6-8 Cornerstone players in every class, that should be the base the staff needs to raise the ceiling.

Brown likely only has 2 years remaining at WVU, before the fans are in the uproar, I mean, many already have him firmly placed in the hot seat, but considering how he is recruiting(which is good, could be better, and we'll see how the 2023 class shakes out). EX: Louisville, Getting high-end talent from California to Texas...

There are certain institutional investment strategies/models/portfolios that offer a lower risk profile(when compared apples to apples) than buy&hold but with much higher growth potential, where 18%-35% is consistently produced annually(depending on market conditions and how the concepts are customized).

If WVU/CRT could create a "fund" of approx $10m, and not deploy outdated+ irrelevant+ archaic applications, we could use 80% of every years return for NIL(To ensure the fund is growing every year to keep up with.......inflation). Instead of pursuing boosters every year, the annual return from the fund could be used, never dipping into the primary/initial allo. That would give us approx $2m for NIL every year, without needing to raise a dime from donors/boosters on an annual basis. That should be enough to attract 6-8 cornerstone players, which may generate additional "free" class momentum. Being strategic with which players & positions are heavily pursued for NIL, and well informed with regard to what the staff is wanting.

In this new world of FA, while we all wish it was different, we have to roll forward and if we are going to be on the playground, we have to be creative, resourceful, and efficient if we are to strive for obtainable improvement.

Its great the CRT was started, but being dependent and correlated to annual donations is very linear, limiting, and not maximizing the benefit of the collective... Esp considering the states population and average income, linear paths are suboptimal. This is another area in which we need to be more creative to help mitigate organic disadvantages compared to other programs.

I believe in this new world, fans hold a large amount of potential impact, from if they choose to donate, do they watch games, go to games, buy media packages, buy merch,etc. The strength of this fanbase will ultimately be the determining factor in our long term security. So do your part when and where you can, it doesnt have to be donating large sums, but something as simple as buying your kid a WVU hat or taking him to a game for his birthday, getting the streaming package for WVU games, or just watching the game if you're not at work. Simple things add up, and esp with realignment again around the bend, we need every hand on deck to present a robust program should major changes come soon.

#LETSGO
 
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Hypothetically speaking, what do you think our average recruiting ranking could be from an annual realistic goal perspective? More over, what would it have to be in order for us to more consistently hit our on-the-field performance expectations/goals? Granted rankings dont always equate to wins, as determining outcome is multifactorial, but history shows us you need a certain level of blue chip talent to consistently compete at higher levels.

1. If NIL is used to attract 6-8 high-end blue chip talent for every class
2. Staff continues to be detailed and thoughtful in their recruiting
3. On field performance improves

Over the next 5 years, what would be a realistic goal to have our class rank?
Obviously on the field performance is equally about talent evaluation, recruiting the right players, hard nosed culture, and detailed + adaptive schemes.

However coaches need a certain level of talent to work with in order to perform, even if the schemes are great, jimmys and joes have to be able to execute.

I was adding up the number of "bluebloods" which are organically better positioned than WVU, but if all these factors would come together, after each class has finished signing in Feb, I believe a realistic goal would be for WVU to have a class ranking(averaged among the major rating sites) to be in the 19-24 range.

If we can obtain a 3 years average in the 19-24 range, along with quality coaching, player dev, and talent evals, that should be enough "Base Talent" for us to compete for Big12 Title. I mean, look at Cinci, they have accomplished a lot without high recruiting rankings.

If we understand we cant give $1m to a single player for NIL, but we can come up with enough funds to get 6-8 Cornerstone players in every class, that should be the base the staff needs to raise the ceiling.

Brown likely only has 2 years remaining at WVU, before the fans are in the uproar, I mean, many already have him firmly placed in the hot seat, but considering how he is recruiting(which is good, could be better, and we'll see how the 2023 class shakes out). EX: Louisville, Getting high-end talent from California to Texas...

There are certain institutional investment strategies/models/portfolios that offer a lower risk profile(when compared apples to apples) than buy&hold but with much higher growth potential, where 18%-35% is consistently produced annually(depending on market conditions and how the concepts are customized).

If WVU/CRT could create a "fund" of approx $10m, and not deploy outdated+ irrelevant+ archaic applications, we could use 80% of every years return for NIL(To ensure the fund is growing every year to keep up with.......inflation). Instead of pursuing boosters every year, the annual return from the fund could be used, never dipping into the primary/initial allo. That would give us approx $2m for NIL every year, without needing to raise a dime from donors/boosters on an annual basis. That should be enough to attract 6-8 cornerstone players, which may generate additional "free" class momentum. Being strategic with which players & positions are heavily pursued for NIL, and well informed with regard to what the staff is wanting.

In this new world of FA, while we all wish it was different, we have to roll forward and if we are going to be on the playground, we have to be creative, resourceful, and efficient if we are to strive for obtainable improvement.

Its great the CRT was started, but being dependent and correlated to annual donations is very linear, limiting, and not maximizing the benefit of the collective... Esp considering the states population and average income, linear paths are suboptimal. This is another area in which we need to be more creative to help mitigate organic disadvantages compared to other programs.

I believe in this new world, fans hold a large amount of potential impact, from if they choose to donate, do they watch games, go to games, buy media packages, buy merch,etc. The strength of this fanbase will ultimately be the determining factor in our long term security. So do your part when and where you can, it doesnt have to be donating large sums, but something as simple as buying your kid a WVU hat or taking him to a game for his birthday, getting the streaming package for WVU games, or just watching the game if you're not at work. Simple things add up, and esp with realignment again around the bend, we need every hand on deck to present a robust program should major changes come soon.

#LETSGO
Conference will be little less difficult. Recruiting might be up but how long will they stay? how will they perform on the field? Will WVU be just another feeder school?

If you're bragging about Louisville, their coach is also on the hot seat. Satterfield 18-19 (12-13)
 

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Conference will be little less difficult. Recruiting might be up but how long will they stay? how will they perform on the field? Will WVU be just another feeder school?

If you're bragging about Louisville, their coach is also on the hot seat. Satterfield 18-19 (12-13)
Louisville ranked approx 35th in recruiting last year and 41st the year prior, but they have Obviously been deploying nil to make such a massive jump in recruiting this year, esp with a coach/staff thats "on the hot seat"... My point(not bragging), that is the difference strategic nil deployment can make for middle of the road programs, if its done so in an aggressive manner.

Many dont like the thought of players getting paid, but the times have changed(unfortunately so in many ways). You have to remain competitive off the field if you want to have the talent to win on the field. Because WVU/WV already has many economic disadvantages we have to be more efficient, effective, & creative with how we raise & deploy our assets to deploy strategies that allow us to increase the reach/donation impact.

If its merely a linear path we will not be competitive, we wont have a shot at obtaining that realistic high...

EX:

(hypothetically) Texas can raise 10 mil every year for nil.

WVU can raise $10mil 1 time in a 5 year period. We can deploy strategies that will allow an annual return from the $10mill(along with additional annual donations) to make up the difference.
 

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Hypothetically speaking, what do you think our average recruiting ranking could be from an annual realistic goal perspective? More over, what would it have to be in order for us to more consistently hit our on-the-field performance expectations/goals? Granted rankings dont always equate to wins, as determining outcome is multifactorial, but history shows us you need a certain level of blue chip talent to consistently compete at higher levels.

1. If NIL is used to attract 6-8 high-end blue chip talent for every class
2. Staff continues to be detailed and thoughtful in their recruiting
3. On field performance improves

Over the next 5 years, what would be a realistic goal to have our class rank?
Obviously on the field performance is equally about talent evaluation, recruiting the right players, hard nosed culture, and detailed + adaptive schemes.

However coaches need a certain level of talent to work with in order to perform, even if the schemes are great, jimmys and joes have to be able to execute.

I was adding up the number of "bluebloods" which are organically better positioned than WVU, but if all these factors would come together, after each class has finished signing in Feb, I believe a realistic goal would be for WVU to have a class ranking(averaged among the major rating sites) to be in the 19-24 range.

If we can obtain a 3 years average in the 19-24 range, along with quality coaching, player dev, and talent evals, that should be enough "Base Talent" for us to compete for Big12 Title. I mean, look at Cinci, they have accomplished a lot without high recruiting rankings.

If we understand we cant give $1m to a single player for NIL, but we can come up with enough funds to get 6-8 Cornerstone players in every class, that should be the base the staff needs to raise the ceiling.

Brown likely only has 2 years remaining at WVU, before the fans are in the uproar, I mean, many already have him firmly placed in the hot seat, but considering how he is recruiting(which is good, could be better, and we'll see how the 2023 class shakes out). EX: Louisville, Getting high-end talent from California to Texas...

There are certain institutional investment strategies/models/portfolios that offer a lower risk profile(when compared apples to apples) than buy&hold but with much higher growth potential, where 18%-35% is consistently produced annually(depending on market conditions and how the concepts are customized).

If WVU/CRT could create a "fund" of approx $10m, and not deploy outdated+ irrelevant+ archaic applications, we could use 80% of every years return for NIL(To ensure the fund is growing every year to keep up with.......inflation). Instead of pursuing boosters every year, the annual return from the fund could be used, never dipping into the primary/initial allo. That would give us approx $2m for NIL every year, without needing to raise a dime from donors/boosters on an annual basis. That should be enough to attract 6-8 cornerstone players, which may generate additional "free" class momentum. Being strategic with which players & positions are heavily pursued for NIL, and well informed with regard to what the staff is wanting.

In this new world of FA, while we all wish it was different, we have to roll forward and if we are going to be on the playground, we have to be creative, resourceful, and efficient if we are to strive for obtainable improvement.

Its great the CRT was started, but being dependent and correlated to annual donations is very linear, limiting, and not maximizing the benefit of the collective... Esp considering the states population and average income, linear paths are suboptimal. This is another area in which we need to be more creative to help mitigate organic disadvantages compared to other programs.

I believe in this new world, fans hold a large amount of potential impact, from if they choose to donate, do they watch games, go to games, buy media packages, buy merch,etc. The strength of this fanbase will ultimately be the determining factor in our long term security. So do your part when and where you can, it doesnt have to be donating large sums, but something as simple as buying your kid a WVU hat or taking him to a game for his birthday, getting the streaming package for WVU games, or just watching the game if you're not at work. Simple things add up, and esp with realignment again around the bend, we need every hand on deck to present a robust program should major changes come soon.

#LETSGO
Screw paying semi illiterate ball bouncers.
 

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Hypothetically speaking, what do you think our average recruiting ranking could be from an annual realistic goal perspective? More over, what would it have to be in order for us to more consistently hit our on-the-field performance expectations/goals? Granted rankings dont always equate to wins, as determining outcome is multifactorial, but history shows us you need a certain level of blue chip talent to consistently compete at higher levels.

1. If NIL is used to attract 6-8 high-end blue chip talent for every class
2. Staff continues to be detailed and thoughtful in their recruiting
3. On field performance improves

Over the next 5 years, what would be a realistic goal to have our class rank?
Obviously on the field performance is equally about talent evaluation, recruiting the right players, hard nosed culture, and detailed + adaptive schemes.

However coaches need a certain level of talent to work with in order to perform, even if the schemes are great, jimmys and joes have to be able to execute.

I was adding up the number of "bluebloods" which are organically better positioned than WVU, but if all these factors would come together, after each class has finished signing in Feb, I believe a realistic goal would be for WVU to have a class ranking(averaged among the major rating sites) to be in the 19-24 range.

If we can obtain a 3 years average in the 19-24 range, along with quality coaching, player dev, and talent evals, that should be enough "Base Talent" for us to compete for Big12 Title. I mean, look at Cinci, they have accomplished a lot without high recruiting rankings.

If we understand we cant give $1m to a single player for NIL, but we can come up with enough funds to get 6-8 Cornerstone players in every class, that should be the base the staff needs to raise the ceiling.

Brown likely only has 2 years remaining at WVU, before the fans are in the uproar, I mean, many already have him firmly placed in the hot seat, but considering how he is recruiting(which is good, could be better, and we'll see how the 2023 class shakes out). EX: Louisville, Getting high-end talent from California to Texas...

There are certain institutional investment strategies/models/portfolios that offer a lower risk profile(when compared apples to apples) than buy&hold but with much higher growth potential, where 18%-35% is consistently produced annually(depending on market conditions and how the concepts are customized).

If WVU/CRT could create a "fund" of approx $10m, and not deploy outdated+ irrelevant+ archaic applications, we could use 80% of every years return for NIL(To ensure the fund is growing every year to keep up with.......inflation). Instead of pursuing boosters every year, the annual return from the fund could be used, never dipping into the primary/initial allo. That would give us approx $2m for NIL every year, without needing to raise a dime from donors/boosters on an annual basis. That should be enough to attract 6-8 cornerstone players, which may generate additional "free" class momentum. Being strategic with which players & positions are heavily pursued for NIL, and well informed with regard to what the staff is wanting.

In this new world of FA, while we all wish it was different, we have to roll forward and if we are going to be on the playground, we have to be creative, resourceful, and efficient if we are to strive for obtainable improvement.

Its great the CRT was started, but being dependent and correlated to annual donations is very linear, limiting, and not maximizing the benefit of the collective... Esp considering the states population and average income, linear paths are suboptimal. This is another area in which we need to be more creative to help mitigate organic disadvantages compared to other programs.

I believe in this new world, fans hold a large amount of potential impact, from if they choose to donate, do they watch games, go to games, buy media packages, buy merch,etc. The strength of this fanbase will ultimately be the determining factor in our long term security. So do your part when and where you can, it doesnt have to be donating large sums, but something as simple as buying your kid a WVU hat or taking him to a game for his birthday, getting the streaming package for WVU games, or just watching the game if you're not at work. Simple things add up, and esp with realignment again around the bend, we need every hand on deck to present a robust program should major changes come soon.

#LETSGO

Recruiting is now a distant second to retention. Recruiting is prediction of performance while retention is keeping your known best performers in the program.
 
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Recruiting is now a distant second to retention. Recruiting is prediction of performance while retention is keeping your known best performers in the program.
Certainly agree retention is absolutely a priority. Thats why any nil deals need to be weighted for experience & performance ratings(Some weighted combo perhaps or $Xk 1st year + $yk per additional year + >=90 Grade gets $Zk bonus).. Enticing players to stay and to perform..

EX:

$24k RS
$36k Fresh
$48k Soph
$60k Jun
$72k Sen

+ $10k bonus per year if the players average grade out for the year is >= 90
+$10k bonus per year if player starts in at least 33% of season's total snaps

If you allocated just $2mill per year for nil you could pay for approx 36 players on the roster. That could be the foundational nil offer to blue chip players to offer a base income, in addition to secondary nil deals, like vehicles, crypto payments, etc from other sources.
 
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Certainly agree retention is absolutely a priority. Thats why any nil deals need to be weighted for experience & performance ratings(Some weighted combo perhaps or $Xk 1st year + $yk per additional year + >=90 Grade gets $Zk bonus).. Enticing players to stay and to perform..

EX:

$24k RS
$36k Fresh
$48k Soph
$60k Jun
$72k Sen

+ $10k bonus per year if the players average grade out for the year is >= 90
+$10k bonus per year if player starts in at least 33% of season's total snaps

If you allocated just $2mill per year for nil you could pay for approx 36 players on the roster. That could be the foundational nil offer to blue chip players to offer a base income, in addition to secondary nil deals, like vehicles, crypto payments, etc from other sources.
Recruiting probably won't suffer all that much because the blue bloods will give away more scholarships poaching players from the middle tier power 5 schools. Retention will be a bigger problem. Every year you will probably have a cinderella story like Cincinnati was last year but its not sustainable. Cincinnati will not replace what they lost in the draft. The 2 million dollar figure you mentioned isn't enough. The qb at Alabama makes 7 figures in NIL and he is just 1 player. You have coaches at blue bloods saying they need 13 million just to maintain their current roster. The success or lack of it going forward will more than likely be more dependent on how well entities like the country roads trust are able to raise funds and arrange NIL deals for the more talented players on the roster.
 
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Hypothetically speaking, what do you think our average recruiting ranking could be from an annual realistic goal perspective? More over, what would it have to be in order for us to more consistently hit our on-the-field performance expectations/goals? Granted rankings dont always equate to wins, as determining outcome is multifactorial, but history shows us you need a certain level of blue chip talent to consistently compete at higher levels.

1. If NIL is used to attract 6-8 high-end blue chip talent for every class
2. Staff continues to be detailed and thoughtful in their recruiting
3. On field performance improves

Over the next 5 years, what would be a realistic goal to have our class rank?
Obviously on the field performance is equally about talent evaluation, recruiting the right players, hard nosed culture, and detailed + adaptive schemes.

However coaches need a certain level of talent to work with in order to perform, even if the schemes are great, jimmys and joes have to be able to execute.

I was adding up the number of "bluebloods" which are organically better positioned than WVU, but if all these factors would come together, after each class has finished signing in Feb, I believe a realistic goal would be for WVU to have a class ranking(averaged among the major rating sites) to be in the 19-24 range.

If we can obtain a 3 years average in the 19-24 range, along with quality coaching, player dev, and talent evals, that should be enough "Base Talent" for us to compete for Big12 Title. I mean, look at Cinci, they have accomplished a lot without high recruiting rankings.

If we understand we cant give $1m to a single player for NIL, but we can come up with enough funds to get 6-8 Cornerstone players in every class, that should be the base the staff needs to raise the ceiling.

Brown likely only has 2 years remaining at WVU, before the fans are in the uproar, I mean, many already have him firmly placed in the hot seat, but considering how he is recruiting(which is good, could be better, and we'll see how the 2023 class shakes out). EX: Louisville, Getting high-end talent from California to Texas...

There are certain institutional investment strategies/models/portfolios that offer a lower risk profile(when compared apples to apples) than buy&hold but with much higher growth potential, where 18%-35% is consistently produced annually(depending on market conditions and how the concepts are customized).

If WVU/CRT could create a "fund" of approx $10m, and not deploy outdated+ irrelevant+ archaic applications, we could use 80% of every years return for NIL(To ensure the fund is growing every year to keep up with.......inflation). Instead of pursuing boosters every year, the annual return from the fund could be used, never dipping into the primary/initial allo. That would give us approx $2m for NIL every year, without needing to raise a dime from donors/boosters on an annual basis. That should be enough to attract 6-8 cornerstone players, which may generate additional "free" class momentum. Being strategic with which players & positions are heavily pursued for NIL, and well informed with regard to what the staff is wanting.

In this new world of FA, while we all wish it was different, we have to roll forward and if we are going to be on the playground, we have to be creative, resourceful, and efficient if we are to strive for obtainable improvement.

Its great the CRT was started, but being dependent and correlated to annual donations is very linear, limiting, and not maximizing the benefit of the collective... Esp considering the states population and average income, linear paths are suboptimal. This is another area in which we need to be more creative to help mitigate organic disadvantages compared to other programs.

I believe in this new world, fans hold a large amount of potential impact, from if they choose to donate, do they watch games, go to games, buy media packages, buy merch,etc. The strength of this fanbase will ultimately be the determining factor in our long term security. So do your part when and where you can, it doesnt have to be donating large sums, but something as simple as buying your kid a WVU hat or taking him to a game for his birthday, getting the streaming package for WVU games, or just watching the game if you're not at work. Simple things add up, and esp with realignment again around the bend, we need every hand on deck to present a robust program should major changes come soon.

#LETSGO
Is there a Readers Digest version of this?
 

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So does this mean that you have now accepted mediocrity? This is funny coming from a guy who constantly complains and starts one thread after another devoted to mediocrity. If you're not willing to pay players in todays college landscape then you will be lucky if you are mediocre at best.
 
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Certainly agree retention is absolutely a priority. Thats why any nil deals need to be weighted for experience & performance ratings(Some weighted combo perhaps or $Xk 1st year + $yk per additional year + >=90 Grade gets $Zk bonus).. Enticing players to stay and to perform..

EX:

$24k RS
$36k Fresh
$48k Soph
$60k Jun
$72k Sen

+ $10k bonus per year if the players average grade out for the year is >= 90
+$10k bonus per year if player starts in at least 33% of season's total snaps

If you allocated just $2mill per year for nil you could pay for approx 36 players on the roster. That could be the foundational nil offer to blue chip players to offer a base income, in addition to secondary nil deals, like vehicles, crypto payments, etc from other sources.
How about we stop treating them like royalty, and give them $0 to play a game. They already get the benefit of a scholarship. I think they should be allowed to be like any other student though, in that they can make extra money by working a part time job. Those Juniors and Seniors would be making more money than my people here at work that put in 40-48 hours a week, while working their awses off. IMO, any time you start introducing money, you ruin amateur games. There's a reason they're referred to as student-athletes.
 

Rootmaster

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Certainly agree retention is absolutely a priority. Thats why any nil deals need to be weighted for experience & performance ratings(Some weighted combo perhaps or $Xk 1st year + $yk per additional year + >=90 Grade gets $Zk bonus).. Enticing players to stay and to perform..

EX:

$24k RS
$36k Fresh
$48k Soph
$60k Jun
$72k Sen

+ $10k bonus per year if the players average grade out for the year is >= 90
+$10k bonus per year if player starts in at least 33% of season's total snaps

If you allocated just $2mill per year for nil you could pay for approx 36 players on the roster. That could be the foundational nil offer to blue chip players to offer a base income, in addition to secondary nil deals, like vehicles, crypto payments, etc from other sources.
F 'em. Go
to class. Pass a course. Get a job. They are nothing special except to wannabes who post droll about today's pampered athletes.
 

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Louisville ranked approx 35th in recruiting last year and 41st the year prior, but they have Obviously been deploying nil to make such a massive jump in recruiting this year, esp with a coach/staff thats "on the hot seat"... My point(not bragging), that is the difference strategic nil deployment can make for middle of the road programs, if its done so in an aggressive manner.

Many dont like the thought of players getting paid, but the times have changed(unfortunately so in many ways). You have to remain competitive off the field if you want to have the talent to win on the field. Because WVU/WV already has many economic disadvantages we have to be more efficient, effective, & creative with how we raise & deploy our assets to deploy strategies that allow us to increase the reach/donation impact.

If its merely a linear path we will not be competitive, we wont have a shot at obtaining that realistic high...

EX:

(hypothetically) Texas can raise 10 mil every year for nil.

WVU can raise $10mil 1 time in a 5 year period. We can deploy strategies that will allow an annual return from the $10mill(along with additional annual donations) to make up the difference.
Louisville recruiting has yet to pay off as their coach sucks like Brown. Getting good rankings doesn't = wins.

Instead of bitching about WV as a piss poor state send in your money.

 
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Louisville recruiting has yet to pay off as their coach sucks like Brown. Getting good rankings doesn't = wins.

Instead of bitching about WV as a piss poor state send in your money.

Relax bro, Im not bitching about anything, just stating a logical fact. Wv is a poor state, the mean income is one of the lowest in the country, and the number of accredited/qualified investors is also one of the lowest. If CRT is strictly dependent on annual donations, thats not a methodology that will allow us to raise the ceiling, more so a tread water strategy. Though, its certainly better than nothing at all..

Im doing my part, I always have.. Im creating a private org/bus(for me only) specifically for WVU nil. Seeding it with a healthy sum, and deploy in an intelligent manner so the annual return from that sum will allow me to source 2-3 cornerstone nil deals per year with a structure similar to what I outlined above, but perhaps slightly larger. 2024 class will be the first class I engage with this nil entity. This way if I choose to cease nil, Ill still have my initial seed/allocation, only losing out on that capital's growth potential over that period of time. A personal sacrifice Ill gladly make, because I want WVU to succeed(I believe most of us do, while we may disagree on some topics or perspectives, Im pretty sure the majority of us here want to see WVU perform at higher levels and to do so a bit more consistently).

True, they're 2023 class isnt on campus yet, and while Satterfield may not be around to see the fruits, if the next hire is able to retain that talent, perhaps the next staff will see a positive boost in outcome. Louisville wasnt mentioned as a reflection of Satterfield, but how they are obviously leveraging nil to boost talent acquisition. Of course that doesnt always equate to wins.... If it did Texas and Tennessee would never fall from grace, so many variables afterall, but you cant win without it(Even if its under-rated + valued gem-like talent). I suppose it at least helps increase the probability of positive outcomes, but each individual has to weigh the choice of giving on their own. Again, it doesnt have to be vast sums, it can be simple things, like going to games or streaming them, or buying your kid a WVU hat for his birthday. "Value" is both subjective and relative to each individual. Judging that in any form or way is not my jam...

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Recruiting probably won't suffer all that much because the blue bloods will give away more scholarships poaching players from the middle tier power 5 schools. Retention will be a bigger problem. Every year you will probably have a cinderella story like Cincinnati was last year but its not sustainable. Cincinnati will not replace what they lost in the draft. The 2 million dollar figure you mentioned isn't enough. The qb at Alabama makes 7 figures in NIL and he is just 1 player. You have coaches at blue bloods saying they need 13 million just to maintain their current roster. The success or lack of it going forward will more than likely be more dependent on how well entities like the country roads trust are able to raise funds and arrange NIL deals for the more talented players on the roster.

Completely agree $2mill Total isnt enough collectively. If just 1 of many nil sources paid 36 players a "Base income", that would attract many players we dont get now. It would also allow other nil sources/partners to be strategic with which players they more heavily pursue for those high impact players.

I was looking at the $2mill hypothetically as just a base... A starting point to spread it out over a broad number of players to at least give them a wage large enough some players could send some money home to their mom if needed.

We wont be able to get those 5 star players heavily pursued by every blueblood, but we can pursue a larger number of mid-high 4 stars or players that our staff feel are extremely under rated/recruited.

I believe we can pull resources together in a way that will allow us to attract 6-8(maybe up to 10 after a few years) cornerstone type players, guys you can build a class around. If we did that for 5 years, that would be approx 30 cornerstone players on the roster(assuming we can retain the majority), a more consistent flow of higher talent level. I mean, we will never be able to spend $13mill per year doing it the traditional way of relying on annual donations. We cant get those Bryce Young types, just like how NFL teams maintain a salary cap and typically trade a QB once hes out of his rookie contract. We can deploy the Patriots model of spreading it out more evenly(for the "Base" nil deal") then allow other nil partners to sweeten the pot with secondary offerings/contracts/etc.
 

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NIL was not intended for Alumni and boosters to buy players. What part of Name In Likeness is not understood.

Under current NCAA rules, NIL does not mean pay-for-play, meaning boosters cannot legally agree to pay money for a certain recruit/transfer to commit to a school for money or a guaranteed NIL deal. Under new ruling, schools with boosters that have communicated with players before their commitment would be sanctioned.

It has turned into legalized cheating so the big boys no longer need to worry about being caught. No penalties are being handed down and players are being recruited by boosters. It has turned into legalized cheating so the big boys no longer need to worry about being caught.
 
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NIL was not intended for Alumni and boosters to buy players. What part of Name In Likeness is not understood.

Under current NCAA rules, NIL does not mean pay-for-play, meaning boosters cannot legally agree to pay money for a certain recruit/transfer to commit to a school for money or a guaranteed NIL deal. Under new ruling, schools with boosters that have communicated with players before their commitment would be sanctioned.

It has turned into legalized cheating so the big boys no longer need to worry about being caught. No penalties are being handed down and players are being recruited by boosters. It has turned into legalized cheating so the big boys no longer need to worry about being caught.
Agreed. All NCAA rules & guidelines will be followed at all times. All contracts will be created by NIL familiar attorneys, it will be a legitimate process from start to end.
 

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Agreed. All NCAA rules & guidelines will be followed at all times. All contracts will be created by NIL familiar attorneys, it will be a legitimate process from start to end.
No, NIL hasn't been anything but a ball busting huge mistake to this date so far and going forward.
 
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Completely agree $2mill Total isnt enough collectively. If just 1 of many nil sources paid 36 players a "Base income", that would attract many players we dont get now. It would also allow other nil sources/partners to be strategic with which players they more heavily pursue for those high impact players.

I was looking at the $2mill hypothetically as just a base... A starting point to spread it out over a broad number of players to at least give them a wage large enough some players could send some money home to their mom if needed.

We wont be able to get those 5 star players heavily pursued by every blueblood, but we can pursue a larger number of mid-high 4 stars or players that our staff feel are extremely under rated/recruited.

I believe we can pull resources together in a way that will allow us to attract 6-8(maybe up to 10 after a few years) cornerstone type players, guys you can build a class around. If we did that for 5 years, that would be approx 30 cornerstone players on the roster(assuming we can retain the majority), a more consistent flow of higher talent level. I mean, we will never be able to spend $13mill per year doing it the traditional way of relying on annual donations. We cant get those Bryce Young types, just like how NFL teams maintain a salary cap and typically trade a QB once hes out of his rookie contract. We can deploy the Patriots model of spreading it out more evenly(for the "Base" nil deal") then allow other nil partners to sweeten the pot with secondary offerings/contracts/etc.
The general perception is that Wvu has always lagged behind when it come to facilities and Upgrades. Now we have this NiL thing in place that is probably going to be more of a factor to success than what the admin actually has control of. If we are going to be competitive we have to do a much better job on the fund raising front. Whether people like it or not the external factors are going to become a more determinant factor to success than the internal factors.
 
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NIL was not intended for Alumni and boosters to buy players. What part of Name In Likeness is not understood.

Under current NCAA rules, NIL does not mean pay-for-play, meaning boosters cannot legally agree to pay money for a certain recruit/transfer to commit to a school for money or a guaranteed NIL deal. Under new ruling, schools with boosters that have communicated with players before their commitment would be sanctioned.

It has turned into legalized cheating so the big boys no longer need to worry about being caught. No penalties are being handed down and players are being recruited by boosters. It has turned into legalized cheating so the big boys no longer need to worry about being caught.
Agreed. All NCAA rules & guidelines will be followed at all times. All contracts will be created by NIL familiar attorneys, it will be a legitimate process from start to end.
The problem with NIL is it hasn't been truly defined. When the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of it there was no guideline in place to be followed. The ruling just stated that athletes are allowed to profit off their Name and Likeness. To say that it was not intended for Alumni and boosters to buy players is not entirely accurate. Until there are guidelines in place which really need to come from congress there will always be an open interpretation of what NIL actually is. To Date there have been at least 15 states that have enacted some type of guidelines concerning NIL. Tennessee for instance has one of the more aggressive NIL laws which allows the school to directly coordinate with outside interests to put together NIL deals see article below. Some states have been a little more restrictive. You would have to look at each state individually to see how far they have gone with this. The Supreme court only has the power to interpret and determine the constitutionality of laws they don't have the power to write laws. Unless congress puts something together entities like the NCAA will have little power to regulate.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/col..., as described by the Knoxville News Sentinel.
 
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The problem with NIL is it hasn't been truly defined. When the Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of it there was no guideline in place to be followed. The ruling just stated that athletes are allowed to profit off their Name and Likeness. To say that it was not intended for Alumni and boosters to buy players is not entirely accurate. Until there are guidelines in place which really need to come from congress there will always be an open interpretation of what NIL actually is. To Date there have been at least 15 states that have enacted some type of guidelines concerning NIL. Tennessee for instance has one of the more aggressive NIL laws which allows the school to directly coordinate with outside interests to put together NIL deals see article below. Some states have been a little more restrictive. You would have to look at each state individually to see how far they have gone with this. The Supreme court only has the power to interpret and determine the constitutionality of laws they don't have the power to write laws. Unless congress puts something together entities like the NCAA will have little power to regulate.

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/is-tennessees-new-nil-law-an-sec-game-changer/article_fa468c13-b196-58f4-a6d1-41827a42a73d.html#:~:text=Last week, Gov. Bill Lee signed an amendment,NIL, as described by the Knoxville News Sentinel.
It's not hard to figure a guideline between pay to play and Name in likeness. There is a huge difference. Listen to John Thornton interview on 3 guys and it becomes clear.
 

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No, NIL hasn't been anything but a ball busting huge mistake to this date so far and going forward.
I dont think its so much as NIL as it is open season in the portal. Its certainly chaos atm, but much of that could be solved by enacting transfer policies that only allowed transfers to occur in certain "Free Agency" periods during the year. Which would make coaching a bit easier, and less of an emotional rollercoaster for fans.

NIL is here to stay, the flood gate is opened and theres an ocean behind it. The best we can do is make sure to leverage it the best way we can to ensure we are not left behind or stuck in the past. Hopefully, NCAA places some limitations on transferring, which I think would resolve some of the issues. That said, tampering will still occur, until NCAA places stiff penalties on programs who privately offer NIL to entice players to transfer.

All that said, its here to stay, so we need to be thoughtful and strategic to ensure WVU can be as competitive as we can be in this new era & world we live in.

I dont disagree with your sentiments, but there are instances where I do feel collegiate athletes should make a revenue. Pat White is a perfect example, as much as he did for the program, as much as he was put in video games, but the pendulum swung the other way and all we can do is try to be as creative as we can to mitigate the differences in cumulative(disposable) wealth.

There is a way for us to make up for some of that difference, but we'll have to walk a slightly different path than other wealthier programs that raise $13m every year and payout $13m every year. There are specific institutional / PAM grade strategies/concepts that very consistently produce 20-30% return every year, & using compounding growth, we can eventually use the annual return to pay for NIL(Instead of having to raise that amount every year). Thats how Im personally going to pursue it. That is a way for us to be more competitive, but it would have to be deployed on a larger scale than I can afford to seed (at least atm).

If we used annual Return to pay for updates, facility updates, NIL, Staff salaries, etc, we wouldnt be dependent only on what is donated annually. Allowing for much higher impact/$Donated return.

We all love the purity of collegiate sports, but capitalism beat tradition in this case. I agree with your perspective, as I absolutely love(d) college sports "For the love of the game and not a paycheck", but now its here to stay, we cant allow our eyes to look back.
 

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They are called college athletes for a reason. It's not a job it's school then sports.

NIL is to receive pay for allowing your name and likeness to be used by a corporation or business. You know sign cards, have your name sold on jerseys give speeches or show up at places for dinners or do commercials for a product. Schools should have nothing to do with it.

But that is not what's happening. Boosters are abusing it by giving cash for no work just sign.

Can't wait to laugh when it all blows up in their faces.
 
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They are called college athletes for a reason. It's not a job it's school then sports.

NIL is to receive pay for allowing your name and likeness to be used by a corporation or business. You know sign cards, have your name sold on jerseys give speeches or show up at places for dinners or do commercials for a product. Schools should have nothing to do with it.

But that is not what's happening. Boosters are abusing it by giving cash for no work just sign.

Can't wait to laugh when it all blows up in their faces.
Technically an NIL deal can ask a player to post something on their Twitter or Instagram, a retweet, a like, a video clip.. Notice how a few WVU players have received a Ford vehicle from a Ford Dealership owned by a WVU booster. They post a short video about it... Thats the new age of internet marketing.

I understand the original theorized application, but the real world application is very different. Is it used to pay players to sign and play, Yes, in a round about way. $100k for a 2min marketing video clip posted on their twitter... However, how much do professional athletes make for a 1min commercial appearance? Much much more...

Obviously its being abused, esp with no policies on tampering and wide open transfers... Tho I dont see how its going to blow up in anyones faces, thats already happened..... happened to the NCAA for breaking the law for these many years. NCAA should have been more insightful and structured NIL many years ago when Billions were made from video games that used player's nil, so every player would benefit from it, similar to a unionized or profit sharing structure. We went from one extreme to the other, but there is a middle ground.

Keep in mind, many of these high-end players come from very poor single parent households. A player able to send home just $12K-$24k per year to their single mom raising 2-3 other brothers & sisters is a huge deal to them. I dont think that changes one's character or perspective about their passion for the game. We both miss how it used to be, but if we are both being honest, how it used to be was both illegal and flawed, and people still paid players. Now its just out in the open.

The question we need to be asking here is how do we leverage it more efficiently and strategically than others to offer us an Edge or mitigate disadvantages. If we refuse to take advantage of it, we'll only widen the disparity of talent.
 

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Technically an NIL deal can ask a player to post something on their Twitter or Instagram, a retweet, a like, a video clip.. Notice how a few WVU players have received a Ford vehicle from a Ford Dealership owned by a WVU booster. They post a short video about it... Thats the new age of internet marketing.

I understand the original theorized application, but the real world application is very different. Is it used to pay players to sign and play, Yes, in a round about way. $100k for a 2min marketing video clip posted on their twitter... However, how much do professional athletes make for a 1min commercial appearance? Much much more...

Obviously its being abused, esp with no policies on tampering and wide open transfers... Tho I dont see how its going to blow up in anyones faces, thats already happened..... happened to the NCAA for breaking the law for these many years. NCAA should have been more insightful and structured NIL many years ago when Billions were made from video games that used player's nil, so every player would benefit from it, similar to a unionized or profit sharing structure. We went from one extreme to the other, but there is a middle ground.

Keep in mind, many of these high-end players come from very poor single parent households. A player able to send home just $12K-$24k per year to their single mom raising 2-3 other brothers & sisters is a huge deal to them. I dont think that changes one's character or perspective about their passion for the game. We both miss how it used to be, but if we are both being honest, how it used to be was both illegal and flawed, and people still paid players. Now its just out in the open.

The question we need to be asking here is how do we leverage it more efficiently and strategically than others to offer us an Edge or mitigate disadvantages. If we refuse to take advantage of it, we'll only widen the disparity of talent.
Getting things from Boosters is the serious problem with NIL. If you can't see it then you're wearing blinders. I'm Out!
 
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Hypothetically speaking, what do you think our average recruiting ranking could be from an annual realistic goal perspective? More over, what would it have to be in order for us to more consistently hit our on-the-field performance expectations/goals? Granted rankings dont always equate to wins, as determining outcome is multifactorial, but history shows us you need a certain level of blue chip talent to consistently compete at higher levels.

1. If NIL is used to attract 6-8 high-end blue chip talent for every class
2. Staff continues to be detailed and thoughtful in their recruiting
3. On field performance improves

Over the next 5 years, what would be a realistic goal to have our class rank?
Obviously on the field performance is equally about talent evaluation, recruiting the right players, hard nosed culture, and detailed + adaptive schemes.

However coaches need a certain level of talent to work with in order to perform, even if the schemes are great, jimmys and joes have to be able to execute.

I was adding up the number of "bluebloods" which are organically better positioned than WVU, but if all these factors would come together, after each class has finished signing in Feb, I believe a realistic goal would be for WVU to have a class ranking(averaged among the major rating sites) to be in the 19-24 range.

If we can obtain a 3 years average in the 19-24 range, along with quality coaching, player dev, and talent evals, that should be enough "Base Talent" for us to compete for Big12 Title. I mean, look at Cinci, they have accomplished a lot without high recruiting rankings.

If we understand we cant give $1m to a single player for NIL, but we can come up with enough funds to get 6-8 Cornerstone players in every class, that should be the base the staff needs to raise the ceiling.

Brown likely only has 2 years remaining at WVU, before the fans are in the uproar, I mean, many already have him firmly placed in the hot seat, but considering how he is recruiting(which is good, could be better, and we'll see how the 2023 class shakes out). EX: Louisville, Getting high-end talent from California to Texas...

There are certain institutional investment strategies/models/portfolios that offer a lower risk profile(when compared apples to apples) than buy&hold but with much higher growth potential, where 18%-35% is consistently produced annually(depending on market conditions and how the concepts are customized).

If WVU/CRT could create a "fund" of approx $10m, and not deploy outdated+ irrelevant+ archaic applications, we could use 80% of every years return for NIL(To ensure the fund is growing every year to keep up with.......inflation). Instead of pursuing boosters every year, the annual return from the fund could be used, never dipping into the primary/initial allo. That would give us approx $2m for NIL every year, without needing to raise a dime from donors/boosters on an annual basis. That should be enough to attract 6-8 cornerstone players, which may generate additional "free" class momentum. Being strategic with which players & positions are heavily pursued for NIL, and well informed with regard to what the staff is wanting.

In this new world of FA, while we all wish it was different, we have to roll forward and if we are going to be on the playground, we have to be creative, resourceful, and efficient if we are to strive for obtainable improvement.

Its great the CRT was started, but being dependent and correlated to annual donations is very linear, limiting, and not maximizing the benefit of the collective... Esp considering the states population and average income, linear paths are suboptimal. This is another area in which we need to be more creative to help mitigate organic disadvantages compared to other programs.

I believe in this new world, fans hold a large amount of potential impact, from if they choose to donate, do they watch games, go to games, buy media packages, buy merch,etc. The strength of this fanbase will ultimately be the determining factor in our long term security. So do your part when and where you can, it doesnt have to be donating large sums, but something as simple as buying your kid a WVU hat or taking him to a game for his birthday, getting the streaming package for WVU games, or just watching the game if you're not at work. Simple things add up, and esp with realignment again around the bend, we need every hand on deck to present a robust program should major changes come soon.

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Getting things from Boosters is the serious problem with NIL. If you can't see it then you're wearing blinders. I'm Out!
When the courts upheld NIL where did you think the players were going to get the money from? As I stated earlier NIL hasn't been defined. John Ruiz Billionaire from Miami has set aside 10 million dollars in his NIL fund for players to promote his business interests. Ruiz is a business owner as well as a booster and alumni of Miami. I understand why people are upset with this since it contradicts the traditional view of the student athletic, but the reality is that it's not the world we live in anymore. If a school wants to be successful it has to have its boosters engaged in throwing around the cash. Congress is the only group with the ability to set a national standard on NIL. Until they do there isn't one. Regardless of what you think NIL should are shouldn't be the real-world application is an avenue for boosters to dole out the cash.
 
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When the courts upheld NIL where did you think the players were going to get the money from? As I stated earlier NIL hasn't been defined. John Ruiz Billionaire from Miami has set aside 10 million dollars in his NIL fund for players to promote his business interests. Ruiz is a business owner as well as a booster and alumni of Miami. I understand why people are upset with this since it contradicts the traditional view of the student athletic, but the reality is that it's not the world we live in anymore. If a school wants to be successful it has to have its boosters engaged in throwing around the cash. Congress is the only group with the ability to set a national standard on NIL. Until they do there isn't one. Regardless of what you think NIL should are shouldn't be the real-world application is an avenue for boosters to dole out the cash.
F college "sports".
 

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Big Money Donors Have Stepped Out of the Shadows to Create ‘Chaotic’ NIL Market.

Less than a year into the NIL Era, officials say the college sports landscape is
dramatically shifting back into the booster-driven world that plagued it decades ago.


The shit isn't working.
 

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I think it's already dead. I'm glad Michigan refuses to participate in this silliness directly (paying the fools). Will hurt them in recruiting, but I'm okay with that. Would rather lose than pay 18 year old kids millions of dollars. Saw where a recent Miami, Fl recruit is going to make more money than some NFL quarterbacks. Maybe that's in one of the articles in this thread already, but I'm closer and closer to not giving a shitz about college sports, just as I've already quit watching professional sports. Money is the root of all evil. Think a wise philosopher by the name of tbone invented that phrase back in '72.
 
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I think it's already dead. I'm glad Michigan refuses to participate in this silliness directly (paying the fools). Will hurt them in recruiting, but I'm okay with that. Would rather lose than pay 18 year old kids millions of dollars. Saw where a recent Miami, Fl recruit is going to make more money than some NFL quarterbacks. Maybe that's in one of the articles in this thread already, but I'm closer and closer to not giving a shitz about college sports, just as I've already quit watching professional sports. Money is the root of all evil. Think a wise philosopher by the name of tbone invented that phrase back in '72.
Michigan is certainly taking part in nil....

 
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Michigan is certainly taking part in nil....

That's small time booster deal, similar to local car dealer arrangements. Michigan (the University) will not pay athletes directly. If you read the article, you'll see that collectively, there's been maybe one million dollars collected. Today's athlete is looking for Miami, FL or Oregon dough. The Lebron types are looking for Texas A&M money.
 

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That's small time booster deal, similar to local car dealer arrangements. Michigan (the University) will not pay athletes directly. If you read the article, you'll see that collectively, there's been maybe one million dollars collected. Today's athlete is looking for Miami, FL or Oregon dough. The Lebron types are looking for Texas A&M money.
What university is directly paying the Lebron type money in NIL deals? The big time NIL deals are from private boosters. Michigan has one of the largest brands and booster bases in the country. They don't need to directly pay the athletics when they have boosters that will do it for them. The statement saying that they aren't going to pay athletics is nothing but political BS to try and make themselves look good.
 

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That's small time booster deal, similar to local car dealer arrangements. Michigan (the University) will not pay athletes directly. If you read the article, you'll see that collectively, there's been maybe one million dollars collected. Today's athlete is looking for Miami, FL or Oregon dough. The Lebron types are looking for Texas A&M money.
Why would Michigan even agree to enter this partnership if they had no intention of paying players?
 

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What university is directly paying the Lebron type money in NIL deals? The big time NIL deals are from private boosters. Michigan has one of the largest brands and booster bases in the country. They don't need to directly pay the athletics when they have boosters that will do it for them. The statement saying that they aren't going to pay athletics is nothing but political BS to try and make themselves look good.
You'll have to ask Saban. He's the one accusing other schools of buying players.

The article below illustrates better what I was attempting to say. You're right though, that Michigan has very wealthy alumni, including the owner of the Dolphins that could promise recruits plenty of money if they committed to play, but Michigan is not allowing them to do it that way. Of course, you never really know what the big donors are doing behind the scenes, but supposedly, Michigan coaches are not working with those donors in approaching recruits they're looking to have commit. Basically, show up, play well, and you have an opportunity to make some money.

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/jim-harbaugh-nil-deals-michigan.html
 

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You'll have to ask Saban. He's the one accusing other schools of buying players.

The article below illustrates better what I was attempting to say. You're right though, that Michigan has very wealthy alumni, including the owner of the Dolphins that could promise recruits plenty of money if they committed to play, but Michigan is not allowing them to do it that way. Of course, you never really know what the big donors are doing behind the scenes, but supposedly, Michigan coaches are not working with those donors in approaching recruits they're looking to have commit. Basically, show up, play well, and you have an opportunity to make some money.

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/jim-harbaugh-nil-deals-michigan.html
It doesn't matter what Harbaugh says. Saying that he or the university isn't going to pay out signing bonus's maybe true but its misleading. Its the boosters that are going to pay out these bonus and there nothing that Harbaugh or the university can do to stop it. Behind the scenes they are probably encouraging it. If they never had any intention of paying athletics they never would have entered partnerships with entities that put these deals together. Saban is just butt hurt because Texas AM boosters have more money than Alabama's boosters. He should be one of the last people complaining especially when he has a qb earning over 3 million in NIL deals.
 

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It doesn't matter what Harbaugh says. Saying that he or the university isn't going to pay out signing bonus's maybe true but its misleading. Its the boosters that are going to pay out these bonus and there nothing that Harbaugh or the university can do to stop it. Behind the scenes they are probably encouraging it. If they never had any intention of paying athletics they never would have entered partnerships with entities that put these deals together. Saban is just butt hurt because Texas AM boosters have more money than Alabama's boosters. He should be one of the last people complaining especially when he has a qb earning over 3 million in NIL deals.
Agree, but apparently Harbaugh is not telling them they're getting any upfront money when he's on the recruiting trail. I really don't know why he makes a statement like that, as that would only scare off recruits who are hearing different tales from other teams. Bottom line, if I were wealthy, and wanted to steer recruits to the team I wanted to win, all I would have to do is follow who the coaches are targeting, which is public knowledge, and simply find a way to reach out to them, and make them a very generous offer. I believe Michigan is making a mistake by going public with the things the AD and coaches are saying.
 
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