Ranking the Power 5 Coaching Jobs

[WVex-pat in GA]

WVU ranked in Tier 4. A lot of Big 12 schools in the same tier. Only Texas in tier 1 and the Oklahoma schools split between 2 & 3. WVU ranked ahead of Kansas, ISU & KSU.

Not sure I buy into this but it's hard to dispute the argument presented.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/13/college-football-job-rankings-2015/

 

[oceantide83]

It seems fairly accurate.

 

[Pushingtin]

Once you list GIRLS as one of the reasons in its job rankings you lose any credibility of being a serious piece.

 

[eers1foru]

Wonder were we would have been ranked after the RR years when we could actually win big games and had national recognition? I'll say the failure of the last two coaches to put together any team capable of being a legitimate contender is the very reason we are tier four.

 

[Pushingtin]

the recruiting cry is getting old.....we are close to the recruits as Va Tech or sPitt is........................want to recruit better than start winning and playing better. Winning cures all evils

 

[countryroads89]

All kinds of flaws. Auburn and Oklahoma should be in the top tier. Georgia and Tennessee don't belong in the top tier. Iowa, Missouri, NC, NC State, and UVA aren't a tier above us.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Once you list GIRLS as one of the reasons in its job rankings you lose any credibility of being a serious piece.

Rick Pitino says you are wrong on that one!

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

All kinds of flaws. Auburn and Oklahoma should be in the top tier. Georgia and Tennessee don't belong in the top tier. Iowa, Missouri, NC, NC State, and UVA aren't a tier above us.

Iowa & Missouri maybe; NC, NC St. & UVA you're probably right. UGA is top tier, Tennessee right now is more like 1.5 but getting back to where they once were after two bad coaching hires (sound familiar?). Toss up on Auburn & OU, but I'd tend to agree.

 

[Pushingtin]

Rick Pitino says you are wrong on that one!

OK...now that is funny!!!

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Well, I said yesterday, I'd put us around #40 give or take few spots. It looks like he has 33 schools in tiers above us and 20 in our tier, so in broad terms not much different. I do think he is confusing things which make for a generally attractive school or place to live with things that make the football job attractive. As one example, I think he overrates the NC schools and UVA as well as Iowa and Washington in terms of football. You'd also have to look at a lot of other things besides the football program to put us on a par with Rutgers and Kentucky; unrealized potrential can only persist for so long before you consider maybe it isn't really there..

I'd also dispute that a town with 2 interstates, located 70 miles from the Pittsburgh airport; about 200 miles from Cleveland, Columbus, DC and Baltimore; and 300 or so miles from Richmond, Philadelphia and southern NJ is " isolated." Welch is isolated, Motown is pretty easy to reach.

 

[jpf578]

WV is an extremely hard sell. We don't offer recruits anything. If the money is not good enough, we don't get them.

 

[mountiefan88]

Miami should not be that high. Auburn and Clemson are Tier 1. FSU is as well.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Well, I said yesterday, I'd put us around #40 give or take few spots. It looks like he has 33 schools in tiers above us and 20 in our tier, so in broad terms not much different.

Is that mid-major territory in your book? I think it is higher than that. To me a mid-major is a directional school outside a P5 conference but above FCS. 64 teams in P5; are we really that low at 40th?

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Where did I ever compare us to a mid-major? I'm pretty sure I made the explicit point that our head coaching job is one the top positions in all of college football precisely because there are so relatively few better.

We're pretty firmly in the middle range of Power 5 schools. That's an entirely different thing than being a "mid-major." Using that term analogously as to how it is used basketball, a football mid-major is an FBS school outside the P5 + ND (and maybe BYU).

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

LMD... not saying you said anything. I asking your opinion. There are some who would classify WVU as a mid-major, and some as directional--but they are misguided and consider anything with a compass heading as "directional". They would say U of So. Cal (USC) is a directional school---LOL.

I guess I'm asking.."what is a top CFB coaching position? Is anything P5 good enough? Or are there really only a handful of those jobs and everything else is a stepping stone.. either up or down the ladder.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Yeah, I see the people feeling sorry for themselves, selling us short and saying we have to settle because we have no chance to be anything so why take a calculated risk to improve when we might not.

That this attitude has for the first time in my life begun growing, might be considered Luck's and Holgorsen's legacy to the football program. Heck in 1976-79 when were in a slump and in a slump at a lower level than we are now, the consensus was dare to achieve. We could have kept Cignetti because, boo hoo, Bear Bryant and Joe Paterno won't come here we might get someone worse, but thank God, that was a small minority with stunted aspirations back then. We took a chance on substantially improving the program knowing nothing in life is guaranteed.

And we did. And, we can do it again. We might try and fail, but one thing is certain, if we don't try, we won't succeed.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Agree 100%. I was a student at WVU during the football "Dark Days" (Cignetti years), another nice guy but not a good coach. Health issues hampered that some.

One may create some parallels to the current situation, we took a chance on a guy that had never coached at WVU's level before -- indicating where we were in 1979 -- and he set the foundation for years to come. If I only had the confidence in DH as in DN.

Maybe this year will set the stage for his comeback to what we were sold when he started. Win out and a lot of confidence and respect moves to his side of the ledger.

As for the original question, where are we in the CFB coaching pecking order? I supposed it is a bell curve and we are somewhere in the top region of the curve; not elite but not terrible as many would think.

 

[wbgvwbgv]

WVU ranked in Tier 4. A lot of Big 12 schools in the same tier. Only Texas in tier 1 and the Oklahoma schools split between 2 & 3. WVU ranked ahead of Kansas, ISU & KSU.

Not sure I buy into this but it's hard to dispute the argument presented.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/13/college-football-job-rankings-2015/

LOL - written by the famous Ty Duffy. He sure looks like he knows a lot about coaching.

 

[NCBuck]

WVU ranked in Tier 4. A lot of Big 12 schools in the same tier. Only Texas in tier 1 and the Oklahoma schools split between 2 & 3. WVU ranked ahead of Kansas, ISU & KSU.

Not sure I buy into this but it's hard to dispute the argument presented.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/10/13/college-football-job-rankings-2015/

Obviously this is just somebody's bias opinion. Maybe I'm bias too, but there is no way we are below tier 3 with the schools listed there. They play football at UNC & Virginia? Who cares....at least that's what their fans say. WVU is a better, or at least as good as a job, than at least half of those schools based on money, program interest, etc... I also agree Oklahoma and Auburn should be in the 1st tier.

 

[MikeRafone]

Once you list GIRLS as one of the reasons in its job rankings you lose any credibility of being a serious piece.

You must not remember being 18. Girls matter, a lot.

Let's face it, when it comes to recruiting, college coaches lie like rugs, putting used car salesmen and Army recruiters to shame. A kid can't believe anything they say. But a recruit can trust his eyes seeing what kind of girl walks around which campus.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Yeah, just ask Louisville basketball, except those girls might have been more sneaking on to campus than walking around.

Seriously, at any large university there will be more good looking girls than any one guy would have time for no matter how much he tries.

 

[GoWVU]

Seriously, at any large university there will be more good looking girls than any one guy would have time for no matter how much he tries.

Yes, but at Arizona St there are simply so many more of them on volume. Incredible weather + low undergrad admissions standards + massive student population = Most attractive female student body I have seen anywhere, bar none.

Frankly, it is one of the biggest reasons I consider ASU the single most underachieving athletic department in the country. One recruiting visit, and I'd never sign anywhere else. That specific "distraction" may be part of the explanation for why they're perennially mediocre in football and basketball despite every advantage.

As for the article itself, anyone who read paragraph three of the introductory section should not have any real disputes with the tier rankings. Sorry, but schools like North Carolina and Virginia do belong in a higher tier than WVU under the guidelines the author used. Auburn and Oklahoma don't belong in the first tier, either.

 

[Low Mountains Drifter]

Yeah, I think most, not just WVu fans, would agree he overrates UVA and the NC schools.

Having good basketball doesn't help FB and might actually hurt a little due to a second fiddle factor (see also, Kansas and Indiana).