Quality and Quantity

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Wvu has had 14 players drafted since it became a member of the big 12. Not only has it produced the second most draft picks of any school in the conference its draft average of 3.3 gives it the highest rated draft average of any school in the conference. In fairness Oklahoma has had the most picks but Wvu has not only done well in producing Draft picks its producing highly rated picks

Wvu 3.3
Baylor 4.9
Tcu 4.1
Oklahoma state 3.75
K State 4.1
Texas tech 4.6
Oklahoma 4.5
Texas 3.7
Kansas 5.75
Iowa state 5.6

 

[5150]

This is good info

 

[GoWVU]

Pretty good, Colorado. An analysis of mean overall draft position might be even more illuminating.

 

[Rootmaster]

too bad that hasn't translated into wins. oh well....

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Pretty good, Colorado. An analysis of mean overall draft position might be even more illuminating.

8 of 14 players that wvu has had drafted since 2013 came in rounds 1-3. In that same time period Oklahoma has only had 5 players drafted in rounds 1-3, Baylor has had 3, Tcu has had 3, Okie state 2, K state 3, Texas tech 2, Texas 3. There's no dispute we are the kings of quality in this conference at the moment

 

[Darth_VadEER]

This is good info

That you'll twist to be a negative to attack the program, no doubt.

 

[Rootmaster]

BTW: Not putting blind faith into DH is not a negative attack on the program. Maybe those of us who don't see DH through Red Bull laced glasses would just rather put our faith into the program and not the current HC. Lol.

 

[5150]

agree, why cant fans want what is best for program. Support the program not a coach. If Stew was not going to compete at a high level then push him out and we did. If Dana is not competing at a high level then we need a change.

Its simple we are recruiting talent but not getting the wins.

Supporting the program and a coach are different.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

agree, why cant fans want what is best for program. Support the program not a coach. If Stew was not going to compete at a high level then push him out and we did. If Dana is not competing at a high level then we need a change.

Its simple we are recruiting talent but not getting the wins.

Supporting the program and a coach are different.

Fine. Fire Dana and move on is what I recommend. However, what's the benefit of openly campaigning against him while he's still our head coach?

How is that supporting the program? You mention Stewart in nearly every post you make, so don't pretend like this isn't a personal vendetta against Dana, because it's apparent.

You don't support Dana, you didn't support Luck, you didnt support Clements, you didn't support the move to the B12, so what exactly about the program do you support?

Your vision of what's best for the program is your opinion and nothing more. No matter how many times you repeat yourself.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

Fine. Fire Dana and move on is what I recommend. However, what's the benefit of openly campaigning against him while he's still our head coach?

How is that supporting the program? You mention Stewart in nearly every post you make, so don't pretend like this isn't a personal vendetta against Dana, because it's apparent.

You don't support Dana, you didn't support Luck, you didnt support Clements, you didn't support the move to the B12, so what exactly about the program do you support?

Your vision of what's best for the program is your opinion and nothing more. No matter how many times you repeat yourself.

Your vision of whats best for the program is your opinion and nothing more. I bet when Stewart was coach you did nothing but bitch. Holgorson is over his head and hasn't produced results that reflect the amount of players that have been drafted in the last 4 years. I give you credit for one thing at least you don't deny that there has been 14 players drafted in the last 4 years which is 2nd to Oklahoma like the coward Punisheer

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Your vision of whats best for the program is your opinion and nothing more. I bet when Stewart was coach you did nothing but bitch. Holgorson is over his head and hasn't produced results that reflect the amount of players that have been drafted in the last 4 years. I give you credit for one thing at least you don't deny that there has been 14 players drafted in the last 4 years which is 2nd to Oklahoma like the coward Punisheer

I think it's a great thing that so many WVU players have been drafted recently, why are you upset about it? It should be celebrated but instead it's used as an opportunity to complain - and you do this because you're supporting the program?

I think your characterization of DH being in over his head would also apply to Stewart. However, I didn't not endlessly bitch about him and actually shared my dislike for the HCIW decision to the point other board members labeled me a Stew Lover.

You're correct about one thing, my vision is simply my opinion. That's because I'm just a fan and you'd also be better off accepting that fact and perhaps then college sports won't stir so much consternation in your life.

With friends like you, WVU doesn't need enemies, that's for certain.

FYI, My vision is to make a clean break with Dana and make a proper, professional hire. Two things that did not happen during our last two coaching searches. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be in the works.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

I think it's a great thing that so many WVU players have been drafted recently, why are you upset about it? It should be celebrated but instead it's used as an opportunity to complain - and you do this because you're supporting the program?

I think your characterization of DH being in over his head would also apply to Stewart. However, I didn't not endlessly bitch about him and actually shared my dislike for the HCIW decision to the point other board members labeled me a Stew Lover.

You're correct about one thing, my vision is simply my opinion. That's because I'm just a fan and you'd also be better off accepting that fact and perhaps then college sports won't stir so much consternation in your life.

With friends like you, WVU doesn't need enemies, that's for certain.

No one is upset about the success of 14 players being drafted in the last 4 years. The only thing people are upset about is the draft results haven't translated in W/L and the question of not having enough talent to compete in this conference is one of the favorite excuses of the pro Dana crowd. In terms of support if your gonna call people out about supporting Luck, Dana, Clements then maybe you should support Shane Lyons. You have done your fair share of complaining about him and the recent NFL draft success doesn't exactly make his decision not to give Dana his golden parachute look all that bad.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I don't get the pure anger that resonates with you folks.

I don't need to see an underperforming football coach get crucified and marched through the steets.

All that needs to be done is to separate with Dana, settle up on what we owe or what is mutually agreed and move on to the next chapter. Why WVU can never do this (RE: RR, Stewart, Dana, Dakish, ect.), I don't know.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

No one is upset about the success of 14 players being drafted in the last 4 years. The only thing people are upset about is the draft results haven't translated in W/L and the question of not having enough talent to compete in this conference is one of the favorite excuses of the pro Dana crowd. In terms of support if your gonna call people out about supporting Luck, Dana, Clements then maybe you should support Shane Lyons. You have done your fair share of complaining about him and the recent NFL draft success doesn't exactly make his decision not to give Dana his golden parachute look all that bad.

I will share my opinions on WVU happenings just like anyone else here, but you won't see me on a five year crusade to publicly trash him either, as some folks have done with Dana (for some it began the moment he was hired).

However, the only reason you currently have such devotion to Shane Lyons is because you assume he's planning to fire Dana and not because of any actual work he's performed to date.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

I don't get the pure anger that resonates with you folks.

I don't need to see an underperforming football coach get crucified and marched through the steets.

All that needs to be done is to separate with Dana, settle up on what we owe or what is mutually agreed and move on to the next chapter. Why WVU can never do this (RE: RR, Stewart, Dana, Dakish, ect.), I don't know.

Its funny how someone who complains of pure anger would take a screen name synonymous with anger as for the crucification of coaches it isn't exactly something that is unique to wvu.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

I will share my opinions on WVU happenings just like anyone else here, but you won't see me on a five year crusade to publicly trash him either, as some folks have done with Dana (for some it began the moment he was hired).

However, the only reason you currently have such devotion to Shane Lyons is because you assume he's planning to fire Dana and not because of any actual work he's performed to date.

Anyone who wants a coach fired from day 1 is not giving someone a chance. When it comes to Lyons i haven't formulated any opinion on him but you have done nothing but disparage him while at the same time you come on here accusing other posters of making disparaging comments about QB, coachs etc etc. If its not alright for them to do it what makes it alright for you. I guess you where the one nailed to the cross many years ago

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Anyone who wants a coach fired from day 1 is not giving someone a chance. When it comes to Lyons i haven't formulated any opinion on him but you have done nothing but disparage him while at the same time you come on here accusing other posters of making disparaging comments about QB, coachs etc etc. If its not alright for them to do it what makes it alright for you. I guess you where the one nailed to the cross many years ago

I have questioned Lyons but I don't think it's been disparaging. I feel the degree of rhetoric against Dana, after an eight win season is over the top, imo.

As I've said many times, for some people here it's personal because of how Stewart was fired. I can assure you I have no personal dislike for Lyons and any criticism of him on my behalf will be isolated to his actual decisions, not because of his hair, what beverages he drinks, or his preference of foot wear, (which have all been recently mentioned).

I questioned Luck on several issues as well and defended him when it felt proper. I don't have an agenda so it's easy for me to be impartial. It appears you've fallen into the common trap of being so dug into your position that you can no longer think for yourself.

I think my stance on Dana is fair. Either make a clean separation or provide him with actual support. I don't have the authority to fire him so until that time comes, I will hope he succeeds.

 

[ColoradoMountaineer]

It appears you've fallen into the common trap of being so dug into your position that you can no longer think for yourself.

This quote pretty much applies to you as well

 

[Darth_VadEER]

This quote pretty much applies to you as well

I don't believe that to be true but either way, it feels as though we've reached an impasse.