Pregant lady with brain tumor denied tubal ligation at a catholic hospital...

[bamaEER]

..after her doctor advised her to have the procedure to avoid further complications with her brain tumor treatment.

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/catholic-hospital-under-fire-for-denying-194225836.html

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

..after her doctor advised her to have the procedure to avoid further complications with her brain tumor treatment.

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/catholic-hospital-under-fire-for-denying-194225836.html

Go to a different hospital. Pretty simple.

 

[COOL MAN]

Go to a different hospital. Pretty simple.

Agreed, pretty simple.....

Of course, I'm sure you yourself would be cheerfully dragging your own wife's pregnant arse out of her hospital bed under similar circumstances while happily managing her health (and presumably physician and insurance) considerations on your way across town to a non-parochial facility. Fortunately for this woman, she's in an area (Greater Flint MI) where she likely has an alternative, no matter how distasteful to her that might currently be.

Still, at the end of the day, I guess you have to do, well, what you have to do......

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Agreed, pretty simple.....

Of course, I'm sure you yourself would be cheerfully dragging your own wife's pregnant arse out of her hospital bed under similar circumstances while happily managing her health (and presumably physician and insurance) considerations on your way across town to a non-parochial facility. Fortunately for this woman, she's in an area (Greater Flint MI) where she likely has an alternative, no matter how distasteful to her that might currently be.

Still, at the end of the day, I guess you have to do, well, what you have to do......

Well, I was raised a Mary Worshipper so I would understand their stance based on their principles being what they were/are as the case is and has been for 2000 years. I also would have no issue loving my wife. As we reared both our children in California, I chose to take my pregnant wife an hr from where we lived so as to not place her in a hospital we were not comfortable.

As I said, go somewhere else.

 

[mule_eer]

Well, I was raised a Mary Worshipper so I would understand their stance based on their principles being what they were/are as the case is and has been for 2000 years. I also would have no issue loving my wife. As we reared both our children in California, I chose to take my pregnant wife an hr from where we lived so as to not place her in a hospital we were not comfortable.

As I said, go somewhere else.

Not that I'm in this situation, but my wife's OBGYN only works with the Catholic hospital in the area. If something like this were to happen with her, she would have to change docs and hospitals in a short amount of time.

According to this article, the hospital in question had granted waivers in the past. This isn't a question of her just nonchalantly looking to have her tubes tied. This is by her doctor's order, and it's due to fear for her survival if she were to get pregnant again. Now she could have the C-section, recover, go somewhere else to get her tubes tied, but the woman is also fighting a brain tumor. Making her undergo additional operations seem more than a little callous.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Not that I'm in this situation, but my wife's OBGYN only works with the Catholic hospital in the area. If something like this were to happen with her, she would have to change docs and hospitals in a short amount of time.

According to this article, the hospital in question had granted waivers in the past. This isn't a question of her just nonchalantly looking to have her tubes tied. This is by her doctor's order, and it's due to fear for her survival if she were to get pregnant again. Now she could have the C-section, recover, go somewhere else to get her tubes tied, but the woman is also fighting a brain tumor. Making her undergo additional operations seem more than a little callous.

I find Catholicism to be a little bizarre. I've never been a Catholic and never went to a Catholic school, so I'm sure a lot of the things that I find strange might make more sense if I had been in that environment. I try not to be too critical because I realize that the issue is most likely my own ignorance. That and the impact on me of others' beliefs is infinitesimally small.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Go to a different hospital. Pretty simple.

Says the same guy who wanted to call me a "simpleton" because of pain pill and meth habits others have? Yeah. Hypocrite. But this thread fit more your agenda.

 

[dave]

Says the same guy who wanted to call me a "simpleton" because of pain pill and meth habits others have? Yeah. Hypocrite. But this thread fit more your agenda.

How was your response related to this topic?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

How was your response related to this topic?

I have a fan.

 

[EEReverent]

The husband could get his tubes tied.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not that I'm in this situation, but my wife's OBGYN only works with the Catholic hospital in the area. If something like this were to happen with her, she would have to change docs and hospitals in a short amount of time.

According to this article, the hospital in question had granted waivers in the past. This isn't a question of her just nonchalantly looking to have her tubes tied. This is by her doctor's order, and it's due to fear for her survival if she were to get pregnant again. Now she could have the C-section, recover, go somewhere else to get her tubes tied, but the woman is also fighting a brain tumor. Making her undergo additional operations seem more than a little callous.

Looking back at my post, I can see it comes across as if I was defending the church and by extension the hospital. I'm not, I think it's ridiculous, however, with Catholicism, very rarely are they going to change their principles regardless of circumstances. I think one should be aware of that going into dealings with them.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Says the same guy who wanted to call me a "simpleton" because of pain pill and meth habits others have? Yeah. Hypocrite. But this thread fit more your agenda.

It's a helluva lot more simple (assuming it isn't in such a rural area that the next closest place is too far away) than just "don't get addicted", I see no hypocrisy in it whatsoever.

Some people have addictive personalities and some don't. Some people have different chemistry that causes them to react differently. There are still study after study on addiction being done by experts with no clear answers or solutions ... but somehow you have the answer? And it's simply "don't get addicted, if you do you're a POS"?

You sound like Ben Carson and the mass shootings ... "don't allow yourself to get shot"

 

[Keyser76]

Some peoples faith enriches their lives and the lives around them and some peoples faith makes them wanna tell the rest of us what we are doing wrong. .

 

[COOL MAN]

Looking back at my post, I can see it comes across as if I was defending the church and by extension the hospital. I'm not, I think it's ridiculous, however, with Catholicism, very rarely are they going to change their principles regardless of circumstances. I think one should be aware of that going into dealings with them.

After the fact, I myself was thinking this may have actually been the point you were trying to make initially; though I admit I struggle with the notion one is potentially forced to pre-evaluate.....to that extent.....the kind of treatment a given hospital might (or might not) be willing to provide. For the record, I'm a (sort-of) practicing Roman Catholic; which I mention here to be clear that my comments weren't intended as any kind of pot-shot from an "outsider" looking in.

Speaking of religious beliefs, DD, I myself am honestly not very familiar with Mary Worship, though I feel like I've heard at one time or another it's most commonly viewed as a Mary-centered "offshoot" (for lack of a better word) of traditional Catholic doctrine. Is this true ??

 

[COOL MAN]

Some peoples faith enriches their lives and the lives around them and some peoples faith makes them wanna tell the rest of us what we are doing wrong. .

I couldn't agree anymore with that assessment if I'd have said (or written) it myself......

 

[bornaneer]

Some peoples faith enriches their lives and the lives around them and some peoples faith makes them wanna tell the rest of us what we are doing wrong. .

Yes that is a correct statement. The following is also correct: Some peoples lack of faith enriches their lives and the lives around them and some peoples lack of faith makes them wanna tell the rest of us what we are doing wrong.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

After the fact, I myself was thinking this may have actually been the point you were trying to make initially; though I admit I struggle with the notion one is potentially forced to pre-evaluate.....to that extent.....the kind of treatment a given hospital might (or might not) be willing to provide. For the record, I'm a (sort-of) practicing Roman Catholic; which I mention here to be clear that my comments weren't intended as any kind of pot-shot from an "outsider" looking in.

Speaking of religious beliefs, DD, I myself am honestly not very familiar with Mary Worship, though I feel like I've heard at one time or another it's most commonly viewed as a Mary-centered "offshoot" (for lack of a better word) of traditional Catholic doctrine. Is this true ??

LOL, Mary Worshipper is a disparaging comment used by other Christian faiths (typically heard it from Baptists) about Catholics. In no way did we ever "worship" Mary.

 

[COOL MAN]

LOL, Mary Worshipper is a disparaging comment used by other Christian faiths (typically heard it from Baptists) about Catholics. In no way did we ever "worship" Mary.

Sorry about that; guess that proves just how naive an old fart like myself can be about a subject.....religion.....that admittedly has had essentially no role in my personal life aside those in which I was personally raised (Orthodox) and currently live.

 

[MountaineerWV]

It's a helluva lot more simple (assuming it isn't in such a rural area that the next closest place is too far away) than just "don't get addicted", I see no hypocrisy in it whatsoever.

Some people have addictive personalities and some don't. Some people have different chemistry that causes them to react differently. There are still study after study on addiction being done by experts with no clear answers or solutions ... but somehow you have the answer? And it's simply "don't get addicted, if you do you're a POS"?

You sound like Ben Carson and the mass shootings ... "don't allow yourself to get shot"

Drug addiction is that simple. Don't get started, thus you won't get addicted. Now, I'm referring more to the meth and heroin epidemic that is sweeping our region. If you think that people shouldn't be to blame for picking up the meth or heroin habit, then you have the issues!

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Drug addiction is that simple. Don't get started, thus you won't get addicted. Now, I'm referring more to the meth and heroin epidemic that is sweeping our region. If you think that people shouldn't be to blame for picking up the meth or heroin habit, then you have the issues!

The heroin problem is a by-product of the pill problem. I didn't know this until recently, but apparently heroin is cheaper than painkillers. Anyway, once they started cracking down on the painkillers and the way the distribution clinics in FL operated, there was a serious availability problem for addicts. In comes the horse, cheaper to boot, to fill their opiate based addiction needs.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Drug addiction is that simple. Don't get started, thus you won't get addicted. Now, I'm referring more to the meth and heroin epidemic that is sweeping our region. If you think that people shouldn't be to blame for picking up the meth or heroin habit, then you have the issues!

Up until now, the addiction we've been referring to has been pain killers. Illegal drugs like meth, yeah, I agree, just don't do it. But I can't blame somebody that's been prescribed pain killers and becomes addicted. And as DD has pointed out, a lot of the heroin issues now is actually a derivative of the painkillers. Now, did all of those people start on painkillers legitimately? I'd have to talk to all of them to know for sure, but I do know a couple people that got addicted to pain killers that started out as a legitimate use.