Pac-12 expansion with San Diego State, SMU may be necessary

[Buckaineer]

The Pac-12 may need to commit to conference expansion first before achieving its compensation target in a new media rights deal, sources with knowledge of the situation tell CBS Sports. In an effort to return to 12 members following the departures of USC and UCLA, the Pac-12 has focused its efforts on evaluating San Diego State and SMU.

Pac-12 commissioner Georgia Kliavkoff has already toured San Diego State, CBS Sports previously learned. He is planning to visit SMU on Wednesday, according to Brett McMurphy.

The Pac-12's next media rights deal will be heavily reliant on a digital streaming partner. Significantly more than half of each season's Pac-12 football games will be primarily available via streaming as part of the conference's next rights deal, sources tell CBS Sports.

Such a ratio is unprecedented for a Power Five conference and for whichever streaming giant becomes the first to more fully embrace college sports. The move would likely upset Pac-12 coaches, athletic directors and administrators who rely on widespread visibility for their games via linear (cable) and network platforms for everything from athletic recruitment to university enrollment.

Pac-12 expansion with San Diego State, SMU may be necessary before league inks new media rights deal

The Aztecs and Mustangs are in the Pac-12's sights as their top expansion contenders

www.cbssports.com

 

[MichiganHerd]

SMU belongs in the Big XII. Going to need to expand to 16 at some point. If no Pac XII teams come along, then you'll need to add other locals. Tulsa, North Texas, and Texas El-Paso. Maybe exchange one or two of them for Rice or Memphis.

 

[Buckaineer]

From the article sounds like existing Pac schools may not be too happy going 50% streaming. So some of them may move. Also, cant really claim you dont fit with B12 schools but then be ok with SMU and or SDSU.

 

[muthed]

SMU belongs in the Big XII. Going to need to expand to 16 at some point. If no Pac XII teams come along, then you'll need to add other locals. Tulsa, North Texas, and Texas El-Paso. Maybe exchange one or two of them for Rice or Memphis.

Big 12 dipping into C-USA? Now that would put them in a mid-major conference. But adding Rice, UTEP, or NT would mean WV would no longer be a cellar dweller.

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

It’s really “who cares” at this point. Pac 12 is not getting anyone from a P5 conference. BIG and Big 12 love to have ORWA and would take Arizona, Colorado. Utah and AZ st is a toss up.

Big 12 has a solid football media footprint. ACC will implode (and probably all college athletics) in a decade or so. Big 12 is in a great spot to go basketball only with Zags, Nova, UConn and maybe Wichita St or Xavier.

Pac 12 is just treading water and I predicted it would take Silicon Valley to help bail them out. However that isn’t much of a option even with going MWC light.

Our commish has been very quit as of late..

 

[Buckaineer]

Recently Yormarck has had discussions with Gonzaga. Doesn’t make a lot of sense unless maybe you are looking at adding other programs from the Pacific Northwest or adding a football only from the west.

going to be very interesting to see if the existing PAC schools will hold together- knowing several are out the door asap, or whether moving on will be their better move.

 

[WVUALLEN]

SMU will never be allowed in BIG 12. Big 12 will not allow Gonzaga in for basketball only. Once again Bucky late to table with the news.

 

[Buckaineer]

For the uninformed:

Big 12 administrators reportedly discussing Gonzaga’s candidacy at conference meetings

Gonzaga and the Big 12 Conference have had at least two discussions about the possibility of the Zags joining the conference. Now the conference is reportedly discussing Gonzaga’s candidacy as Big 12 presidents and athletic directors conduct meetings Thursday and Friday in Dallas.

www.spokesman.com

 

[Buckaineer]

Yesterday, the PAC commissioner did a visit to SMU which means an invite is probably close by:










Brett McMurphy

@Brett_McMurphy


Pac-12 commish George Kliavkoff visiting SMU Wednesday, sources told
@ActionNetworkHQ
. San Diego State & SMU are top Pac-12 expansion candidates. Pac-12 needs more members & more inventory for new media rights deal, which is expected to rely heavily on digital streaming services


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[mountaineermaniac34]

SDSU and SMU can’t lose. SMU is in a AAC that is watered down going to MWC light conference. SDSU is making an eventual lateral MWC 2.0 move.

The biggest winner in all of the conference realignment is BYU and may be biggest winner possibly all time since the Big East raid in early 2000’s that kicked off the realignments.

Completely turned the tables on Utah. Huge get for Big 12 and that time zone is crucial.

 

[WVUALLEN]

SDSU and SMU can’t lose. SMU is in a AAC that is watered down going to MWC light conference. SDSU is making an eventual lateral MWC 2.0 move.

The biggest winner in all of the conference realignment is BYU and may be biggest winner possibly all time since the Big East raid in early 2000’s that kicked off the realignments.

Completely turned the tables on Utah. Huge get for Big 12 and that time zone is crucial.

Big East raided conferences because ACC swiped 3 of their best teams. Which directly added to death of Big East. Big East didn't kick it off. That would be ACC. Big East did it for survival. Conference realignment has been going on since before the 50's.

PAC 12 screwed the pooch when they didn't pull in BYU, San Diego State or Boise State for that matter. They are now clinging to life support just as the Big East did.

 

[MichiganHerd]

Big East raided conferences because ACC swiped 3 of their best teams. Which directly added to death of Big East. Big East didn't kick it off. That would be ACC. Big East did it for survival. Conference realignment has been going on since before the 50's.

PAC 12 screwed the pooch when they didn't pull in BYU, San Diego State or Boise State for that matter. They are now clinging to life support just as the Big East did.

My original post was simply a troll post, specifically for Bucky. Big XII, once the two conference thugs leave, should stay put at 12 teams. You definitely don't want to bring in anymore mid major teams, and only expand if you can bring in the likes of Arizona/ASU/Colorado/Utah type teams that are already P5. Anything less than that will water you down, and give everybody the impression you're a glorified G5 conference.

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

Big East raided conferences because ACC swiped 3 of their best teams. Which directly added to death of Big East. Big East didn't kick it off. That would be ACC. Big East did it for survival. Conference realignment has been going on since before the 50's.

PAC 12 screwed the pooch when they didn't pull in BYU, San Diego State or Boise State for that matter. They are now clinging to life support just as the Big East did.

I was referring to the Big East Raid when ACC/ESPN tried to kill the conference.

 

[WVUALLEN]

My original post was simply a troll post, specifically for Bucky. Big XII, once the two conference thugs leave, should stay put at 12 teams. You definitely don't want to bring in anymore mid major teams, and only expand if you can bring in the likes of Arizona/ASU/Colorado/Utah type teams that are already P5. Anything less than that will water you down, and give everybody the impression you're a glorified G5 conference.

Kind of a tweener conference.

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

My original post was simply a troll post, specifically for Bucky. Big XII, once the two conference thugs leave, should stay put at 12 teams. You definitely don't want to bring in anymore mid major teams, and only expand if you can bring in the likes of Arizona/ASU/Colorado/Utah type teams that are already P5. Anything less than that will water you down, and give everybody the impression you're a glorified G5 conference.

I don’t see the the 4 corners brining much at all to Big 12. More East teams would be much more attractive. ACC may fracture before the end of the GOR, but it’s doubtful.

 

[MichiganHerd]

I don’t see the the 4 corners brining much at all to Big 12. More East teams would be much more attractive. ACC may fracture before the end of the GOR, but it’s doubtful.

Big XII probably doesn't give a shit about more East teams that would be beneficial to UC and WVU. Plus, who would they even have to pick from, assuming current ACC teams aren't a viable option.

 

[WVUALLEN]

If Conferences ever go to pods then the SEC and Big 10 will have 20 or more added. Let's say 24 and 4 pods of 6 teams. You move the total games back to 11 and you never have to play outside your conference. Five games in your pod and two games each from the other 3 Pods. Then you got 6 best in SEC vs 6 best in Big 10 for playoffs. So NFL like.

All others will drop football or become groomers for the 2 conferences. It could be like those 48 teams could draft players from those left out of the 2 major conferences and they never have to recruit again.

 

[Buckaineer]

I don’t see the the 4 corners brining much at all to Big 12. More East teams would be much more attractive. ACC may fracture before the end of the GOR, but it’s doubtful.

The four corners bring a western time zone for tv windows ( late night). Also greatly expand the footprint and add major media markets. Phoenix, Denver, Salt Lake ( although BYU is there too). Tucson. Also have recognizable brands as well as tons more inventory. That’s what the media partners want. Also bring longer term stability with all the adds of more P5 schools which are attractive to media partners. The conference can’t add any valuable eastern members until the inevitable ACC breakup.

 

[Buckaineer]

My original post was simply a troll post, specifically for Bucky. Big XII, once the two conference thugs leave, should stay put at 12 teams. You definitely don't want to bring in anymore mid major teams, and only expand if you can bring in the likes of Arizona/ASU/Colorado/Utah type teams that are already P5. Anything less than that will water you down, and give everybody the impression you're a glorified G5 conference.

Whoever the media partners value will be good adds. If they don’t feel those programs water you down, then they don’t water you down. It’s not rocket science and doesn’t matter what you personally think. A few years back many were claiming BYU, Cincy, Houston, UCF would “ water down” the BIG 12, but as we see the media partners disagreed and now everyone will get more than when OU and UT were members. The media partners determine what is and isn’t valuable Or at a certain level.

 

[Buckaineer]

Big XII probably doesn't give a shit about more East teams that would be beneficial to UC and WVU. Plus, who would they even have to pick from, assuming current ACC teams aren't a viable option.

VT, NC State, Syracuse Louisville, Pitt, GT. Those would be valuable adds. Memphis, USF? Must not be there yet for the conference or network/ media partners.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Big XII probably doesn't give a shit about more East teams that would be beneficial to UC and WVU. Plus, who would they even have to pick from, assuming current ACC teams aren't a viable option.

That won’t be known until the big boys take who the want (Big 10 and SEC). Clemson, Miami, (possibly) NCState and FSU could be gobbled up by the SEC and UNC, UVA and possibly VPI and Pitt go to the Big 10. Slim pickings if all those teams are gone.

 

[Buckaineer]

The B1G has to add more western teams so USC and UCLA aren’t traveling so far for every event not between the two.

May not happen until their next media deal though in the early 2030s.

The BIG 12 may be able to speed that up if some of the 10 existing PAC schools aren’t ok with a streaming deal and adding SMU and or SDSU.

 

[Buckaineer]

One thing that will be interesting in the Big Ten and Sec— the big teams are going to have more losses each year due to more equally matched teams on the schedule. I.e. OU was a power for awhile, but now they’ll be facing comparable teams like Alabama and Georgia more often. Several fanbases are going to have to accept more losses.

 

[MichiganHerd]

The B1G has to add more western teams so USC and UCLA aren’t traveling so far for every event not between the two.

You do realize that in any given year, both of those teams will play 7, possibly 8 home games, assuming a nine game conference slate. That means they'll travel to only four or five venues per year, with one being a game across town against one another. Most of those away games will be in the Midwest, which is a two hour flight. Maybe once every couple of years, they'll have to fly to New Jersey, DC, or Pennsylvania. Really not a big deal in the times of modern transportation. Plus, mush Biden is working on that high speed train system to get you from L.A. to Chicago in 30 minutes.

 

[MichiganHerd]

A few years back many were claiming BYU, Cincy, Houston, UCF would “ water down” the BIG 12.

A few years from now, many will continue to claim those teams do water down the Big XII. There's a reason why no other conference was after them.

 

[Buckaineer]

A few years from now, many will continue to claim those teams do water down the Big XII. There's a reason why no other conference was after them.

Years from now theyll be in playoffs sometimes and beating teams from conferences that supposedly werent after them as they have done up to this point. A made up excuse. Main point though is the media partners value them more than they value ACC or Pac schools ( probably- their deal hasnt been announced)

 

[Buckaineer]

You do realize that in any given year, both of those teams will play 7, possibly 8 home games, assuming a nine game conference slate. That means they'll travel to only four or five venues per year, with one being a game across town against one another. Most of those away games will be in the Midwest, which is a two hour flight. Maybe once every couple of years, they'll have to fly to New Jersey, DC, or Pennsylvania. Really not a big deal in the times of modern transportation. Plus, mush Biden is working on that high speed train system to get you from L.A. to Chicago in 30 minutes.

You do realize that LA flights are much longer than two hrs for nearly the entire conference right? Games to Ohio State, the Indiana and Michigan schools, And especially PSU, UMD and Rutgers are a looooong ways away. But we arent talking just football, it’s all the Olympic sports including basketball too. They’ll be visiting eastern time zone programs all the time and it will eventually lead to more poaching of the PAC.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Big XII probably doesn't give a shit about more East teams that would be beneficial to UC and WVU. Plus, who would they even have to pick from, assuming current ACC teams aren't a viable option.

Much like no one here gives a shit about your thoughts....Go find a Michigan board.

 

[WVUALLEN]

VT, NC State, Syracuse Louisville, Pitt, GT. Those would be valuable adds. Memphis, USF? Must not be there yet for the conference or network/ media partners.

That's hilarious.

 

[WVUALLEN]

You do realize that LA flights are much longer than two hrs for nearly the entire conference right? Games to Ohio State, the Indiana and Michigan schools, And especially PSU, UMD and Rutgers are a looooong ways away. But we arent talking just football, it’s all the Olympic sports including basketball too. They’ll be visiting eastern time zone programs all the time and it will eventually lead to more poaching of the PAC.

2 hours, 55 minutes to Nebraska​

3 hours, 53 minutes to Illinois​

3 hours, 27 minutes to Iowa​

3 hours, 51 minutes to Wisconsin​

3 hours, 29 minutes to Minnesota​

4 hours, 10 minutes to Indiana​

Not all Big 10 schools are Eastern Time Zone.

They won't be visiting every eastern time zone. Only 5 states involved in Eastern time zone for Big 10, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and New York. They don't play 12 games on the road. A 7 billion dollar media rights bill will do just fine for travel money. It's called budgeting. This is why you will see 2 more PAC teams in Big 10. More than likely Oregon and Washington.

 

[Buckaineer]

The Big Ten is going to add more western schools from the PAC.

Illinois, Iowa and Indiana require drive time in addition to flying into their region. Bloomington is an hour plus south of Indianapolis for example. The football teams might have charters but everyone else won’t.

Someone said the flights are only two hrs, yet none of them are 2 hrs.

The BIG won’t leave USC and UCLA on an island.

Once the contract Is up in the early 2030s, and or if the BIG 12 lures a few PAC schools which is also very possible at this time, the BIG is going to add more PAC schools to bring in more revenue and secure their western wing also.

 

[WVUFanForever]

The Big Ten is going to add more western schools from the PAC.

WOW....Where would we all be without buckster telling us this...between him and cef.......we have two people really plugged in...we all should be grateful.

 

[mountaineermaniac34]

The OU and Texas early exit speeds up ORWA as the new TX/OU of the Pac12. ORWA is rumored to demand significant more TV revenue than the rest of the conference as it has been said many times. It will be interesting if Big12 starts adding basketball only teams.