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ThunderCat98

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I come in peace. As a Herd fan, there is certainly no love lost for the Mountaineers. That being said, success for WVU is good for the state. With that in mind, I still follow the Eers to a degree. I've been reading this board from time to time to gauge the fans' view on the program, etc., and thought an independent viewpoint might be beneficial to the discussion.

First, I don't think Dana is the answer going forward. He doesn't appear to have the acumen or temperment to be a head coach. Unfortunately, you are stuck with him for at least this season, and maybe more. Again, as a Herd fan I've been there, done that. The Mark Snyder years still leave a bad taste in my mouth. Similar to Holgerson, Snyder was a coordinator that was in way over his head (although I would argue Dana is much more competent than Mark ever thought about being).

With that in mind, the notion that your season is in the crapper at this point is a bit premature. Fact is, you're probably going to lose to TCU. After that, however, you have 5 very winnable games. Texas is getting better, so let's call that one a toss-up. The Eers are better than the remaining 4 teams. Worst case scenario, I think you finish 7-5. Best case, 8-4.

This brings about the conundrum. Barring a complete collapse, the Eers still go bowling, and have a respectable record in a very tough conference. The question then becomes whether the administration and big-time donors have the foresight and money to make a change before damage to the program becomes greater. In other words, I don't see Dana getting better as a head coach. Your talent will keep you in games, but poor coaching will keep you from contending for a conference title.

Here's hoping you have the people and money in place to make the hard decision to cut your losses after this season. Marshall didn't, and it took several years off good recruiting and crappy schedules to get things rolling again. To put it bluntly, the Snyder era almost irreparably damaged Marshall. I see a lot of parallels with Holgerson. I would hate to see the same thing happen to WVU, despite the rivalry between the schools.

Anyways, that's my 2-cents, fwiw, good luck the rest of the way. Sadly, the worst thing that could happen for your program would be for them to win out, which almost assuredly keeps Holgerson around for another year, putting you fighting to be in the upper-middle tier of your conference for the foreseeable future.
 
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I think he's implying that winning out would be somewhat of a, "fluke," (i.e. involve more luck than coaching skills) which would keep Holgorsen around even longer than he otherwise would be. Of course, you wouldn't know for sure it was a fluke until seeing the results of the next year or two.
 
Congrats, you ruined a solid post with this idiocy. Yea, winning out including beating a top 5 team on the road and finishing 10-3 would be terrible.

Are you stupid?
Winning out and being 10-3 this year would be awesome....but to his point some could argue it is a short sighted victory. 10-3 prob gets Dana an extension and then we have to hope his success wasn't fools gold.
 
I think he's implying that winning out would be somewhat of a, "fluke," (i.e. involve more luck than coaching skills) which would keep Holgorsen around even longer than he otherwise would be. Of course, you wouldn't know for sure it was a fluke until seeing the results of the next year or two.

It doesn't matter what he's it makes no sense. If Dana wins out he will have won 10 games in 40% of his seasons here and had a winning record in 80% of his seasons. You'd be hard pressed to find another coach that would achieve those results here, not to mention paying a buyout, and the huge risk of hiring a new coach with an AD that has never made a HC hire.

If Dana wins out this year, he will have earned his stripes, but we all know that the chances this team wins out is probably less than 1%.
 
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Thanks for your interest, concern, & commentary. Giving it a value of $0.02 is way over valued. Just need better qb play (ie quit turning the ball over) and WVU will be fine.

I'll never get this Marshall interest in WVU and/or WVU interest in Marshall. My next door neighbor from childhood married the best qb to ever come out of Marshall and I've still never followed or cared. I did follow Chad with the Jets and Dolphins, but I only watched 1 of his college games and it was a loss.
 
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I think he's implying that winning out would be somewhat of a, "fluke," (i.e. involve more luck than coaching skills) which would keep Holgorsen around even longer than he otherwise would be. Of course, you wouldn't know for sure it was a fluke until seeing the results of the next year or two.

Correct. If by some miracle WVU were to beat TCU and win out, I don't think it would be because of Dana, but rather in spite of him. Next year you would likely be back to mid-conference status. I'm not saying you should cheer for the team to lose, but winning makes it much harder for the administration to do what needs to be done.
 
Correct. If by some miracle WVU were to beat TCU and win out, I don't think it would be because of Dana, but rather in spite of him. Next year you would likely be back to mid-conference status. I'm not saying you should cheer for the team to lose, but winning makes it much harder for the administration to do what needs to be done.

Please tell us why, if this team finishes 10 - 3 with a poor qb and it's all american safety out for the season, would that be "in-spite" of Dana. I'd argue that it would be a phenomenal coaching job to rally the team after starting 0-3 in conference play to win out. Also, if he can mask Skyler's weaknesses and win these games, that's a hell of a coaching job.
 
Thundercat, I thought it was an interesting post. It reminds me of how BC clung to Cowboy Jack Bicknell, hoping for another Flutie before they gave up and Jack got the overdue boot.

Can I ask you an off topic question? I grew up out back of Hurricane and now live in St. Albans. When I was kid (and teenager), Huntington was the "big town" we went to. When I was a kid in the early-mid 60's, and said big town had a McDonald's, that town was the big time.

Huntington used to be very pretty, very safe, fun and friendly town. The Fairfield neighborhood was bad, but all cities of any size have one or two areas like that. My wife and I thought about moving to Huntington when we returned from Arizona, but we got a helluva deal on a house in St. Albans.

Since we've moved back here, Huntington has gone to hell. Do you have any insights on what's going on down there? General city mismanagement or has it become a a drug transshipment center, much like Charleston during the crack era of the mid-80's to the mid-90's?

I give the Marshall boys on the Woodshed some crap about the city's slide, but it pains me to see what's become of Huntington.

I just want an honest opinion besides my own postulating. I can't get it from that Woodshed bunch.
 
If you can't take criticism of your latest thesis perhaps you should stay in your happy little world.
 
Thundercat, I thought it was an interesting post. It reminds me of how BC clung to Cowboy Jack Bicknell, hoping for another Flutie before they gave up and Jack got the overdue boot.

Can I ask you an off topic question? I grew up out back of Hurricane and now live in St. Albans. When I was kid (and teenager), Huntington was the "big town" we went to. When I was a kid in the early-mid 60's, and said big town had a McDonald's, that town was the big time.

Huntington used to be very pretty, very safe, fun and friendly town. The Fairfield neighborhood was bad, but all cities of any size have one or two areas like that. My wife and I thought about moving to Huntington when we returned from Arizona, but we got a helluva deal on a house in St. Albans.

Since we've moved back here, Huntington has gone to hell. Do you have any insights on what's going on down there? General city mismanagement or has it become a a drug transshipment center, much like Charleston during the crack era of the mid-80's to the mid-90's?

I give the Marshall boys on the Woodshed some crap about the city's slide, but it pains me to see what's become of Huntington.

I just want an honest opinion besides my own postulating. I can't get it from that Woodshed bunch.

Huntington's problems are too numerous to list here. It is a combination of poor decisions by shortsighted leaders and an inability to embrace change. Those things coupled with the influx of Columbus and Detroit drugs have destroyed the area. I love Marshall, I think our is a good, regional school, but I have little love for Huntington in its current state.
 
Correct. If by some miracle WVU were to beat TCU and win out, I don't think it would be because of Dana, but rather in spite of him. Next year you would likely be back to mid-conference status. I'm not saying you should cheer for the team to lose, but winning makes it much harder for the administration to do what needs to be done.

I'm not even sure how I want to respond to this?
 
If you can't take criticism of your latest thesis perhaps you should stay in your happy little world.

"Criticism"? It's not like you pointed out something I wrote and attempted to refute it. You took a shot for no apparent reason. That isn't "criticism" you moron. That's being a dick. I'm fine with talking sh*t and getting harsh where it's warranted, but that wasn't the purpose of my op. Guess that went over your pointy little head.
 
If you can't take it, go to your happy little place.

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You are upset. I have hurt your feelings. You want to cry because of my harsh words criticizing your thesis on this topic. You must go to your happy place and find joy again.
 
I come in peace. As a Herd fan, there is certainly no love lost for the Mountaineers. That being said, success for WVU is good for the state. With that in mind, I still follow the Eers to a degree. I've been reading this board from time to time to gauge the fans' view on the program, etc., and thought an independent viewpoint might be beneficial to the discussion.

First, I don't think Dana is the answer going forward. He doesn't appear to have the acumen or temperment to be a head coach. Unfortunately, you are stuck with him for at least this season, and maybe more. Again, as a Herd fan I've been there, done that. The Mark Snyder years still leave a bad taste in my mouth. Similar to Holgerson, Snyder was a coordinator that was in way over his head (although I would argue Dana is much more competent than Mark ever thought about being).

With that in mind, the notion that your season is in the crapper at this point is a bit premature. Fact is, you're probably going to lose to TCU. After that, however, you have 5 very winnable games. Texas is getting better, so let's call that one a toss-up. The Eers are better than the remaining 4 teams. Worst case scenario, I think you finish 7-5. Best case, 8-4.

This brings about the conundrum. Barring a complete collapse, the Eers still go bowling, and have a respectable record in a very tough conference. The question then becomes whether the administration and big-time donors have the foresight and money to make a change before damage to the program becomes greater. In other words, I don't see Dana getting better as a head coach. Your talent will keep you in games, but poor coaching will keep you from contending for a conference title.

Here's hoping you have the people and money in place to make the hard decision to cut your losses after this season. Marshall didn't, and it took several years off good recruiting and crappy schedules to get things rolling again. To put it bluntly, the Snyder era almost irreparably damaged Marshall. I see a lot of parallels with Holgerson. I would hate to see the same thing happen to WVU, despite the rivalry between the schools.

Anyways, that's my 2-cents, fwiw, good luck the rest of the way. Sadly, the worst thing that could happen for your program would be for them to win out, which almost assuredly keeps Holgerson around for another year, putting you fighting to be in the upper-middle tier of your conference for the foreseeable future.

Too ridiculous to continue to read after the first paragraph. The Marshall football program is losing money big time - will they even have a football team in 5 years?
 
Too ridiculous to continue to read after the first paragraph. The Marshall football program is losing money big time - will they even have a football team in 5 years?

Yes. Because that is a well-reasoned, relevant argument. Well done, sir. Your intellect and ability to read and comprehend my post is astounding.
 
Yes. Because that is a well-reasoned, relevant argument. Well done, sir. Your intellect and ability to read and comprehend my post is astounding.

Don't get upset - we have 24/7 Marshall troll here telling us ( the 20 or so WVU's fans still here ) how to compete in a power conference every day. And recently some of them have started telling us how to beat Top 15 teams. Stepping around the cowshit becomes second nature on this site.

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Don't get upset - we have 24/7 Marshall troll here telling us ( the 20 or so WVU's fans still here ) how to compete in a power conference every day. And recently some of them have started telling us how to beat Top 15 teams. Stepping around the cowshit becomes second nature on this site.

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Please tell us why, if this team finishes 10 - 3 with a poor qb and it's all american safety out for the season, would that be "in-spite" of Dana. I'd argue that it would be a phenomenal coaching job to rally the team after starting 0-3 in conference play to win out. Also, if he can mask Skyler's weaknesses and win these games, that's a hell of a coaching job.
EXACTLY. If we go 10-3 Dana either gets an extension or (maybe more likely) gets hired away. Then, if getting rid of Dana is the goal, going 10-3 might be best.
 
We ain't 'stuck' with Dana. We hired the man and choose him after a selection committee decided he was the best available. That ain't exactly my version of 'stuck'. Dana gonna come out tonight with a 'bad hair' day (night), stuffed full of Red Bull and sporting a natural high offen my pickles! Now, bring on dem TCU boys!
 
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